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Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

Does Jeb Bush Have a Schiavo Problem?

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polgara said:
Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Obama is helping the best way he can by giving millions of illegals drivers licenses and job cards, thereby giving them an ID to vote Democrat! Oh wait - maybe he won't much care how they vote in 2016 since he'll be leaving, but I truly pity whoever it is that inherits what he's going to leave them, and it doesn't matter what party they are. He doesn't like the Clintons, and he's called the Rebs his "enemies," so that may be a win either way in his book. The downside will be having to lower the standard of living he has enjoyed for the past six years, which includes having to start paying for his own multi-million dollar vacations though, and that's going to be really tough on his family budget. :shock:
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Good afternoon Lady P - enjoying our frosty February??

I can't imagine Obama doing anything to help anyone else electorally. He is strictly, solely, interested in himself. As such, he couldn't care less what the fallout may be from anything he does so long as he has notoriety, good or bad.

As for living a certain lifestyle after leaving office, for reasons related to him personally and reasons beyond his control, I fully expect that the costs to the US Treasury in protecting and traveling with the Obamas will be the most expensive after Presidency bills ever paid and he'll make the Clintons look like pikers on the speaking tours. There'll be no tag days for the Obamas, guaranteed.
 
tres borrachos said:
I heard he was a very popular governor in Florida. I admit I don't know too much about him, and recently I've been starting to pay a little more attention to his record, and less to his last name. He's supposed to start appearing a lot in NH soon and I'm going to have the chance to meet him. Look forward to it.
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All anyone in politics can ask for is a fair hearing, the closer to the voters the better. Filtered through the media, you have a hard time picking out what's real and what's not. I know he's not polling at the top in NH yet, but I think the Bush team has a lot of faithful campaign volunteers there from past runs and I think the Romney people will for the most part side with Bush so once things get rolling I'm hopeful he'll do well. If he happens to win NH, he might just roll - I doubt he can win Iowa, so someone is going to get attention out of Iowa other than him.

Will be fun - at least on the Republican side there are some serious, sane, competent choices to make it interesting.
 
pbrauer said:
You don't think there will be some TV ads helping the average American voter remember?
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ditto for travelgate
whitewater and the connection to those convicted
throw in when she knew bill lied to the public about monica and what she then did ... or didn't do
we're in a for a really dirty campaign - in both directions
 
justabubba said:
don't get too excited
i predict Michelle will be running for political office on or before 2020
she's smart and now has an extensive political network
unlike hillary, i would vote for Michelle in a skinny minute
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What's the success rate of wives of successful husbands running for office in the US? I'm only familiar with a couple on the Republican side - Dole had a cup of coffee in the Senate and Bono in the House, and I know many wanted Laura Bush to run for office but she smartly declined. Any on the Democrat side besides the carpetbagging Clintons?
 
CanadaJohn said:
What's the success rate of wives of successful husbands running for office in the US? I'm only familiar with a couple on the Republican side - Dole had a cup of coffee in the Senate and Bono in the House, and I know many wanted Laura Bush to run for office but she smartly declined. Any on the Democrat side besides the carpetbagging Clintons?
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not elected office, but Eleanor Roosevelt was quite a politician in her own right
her UN activities we're very advanced for the times
and history has not been kind to women who might have pursued a political career. it is a very recent possibility. so, how few we have had previously is not a good indicator of those who may emerge going forward
 
EMNofSeattle said:
That is of course, other than the part where he had the legislature throw together a crappy Lonaday, declared himself the guardian of someone you never met and then send state troopers in defiance of the superior court order remove the feeding tube

Other then that his social conservatism is all personal ;)
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I can't say I see this as personal to Bush so much as taking action as a Governor, applying the law in his state as it existed, but I don't know all the details and based on some of the comments here in this thread I don't know if many of us really do know all the details - seems pretty contentious from both sides.
 
Montecresto said:
I'm sorta confused why its bad when a democrat does it and ignored when a republican does it. And this one could be president too!

TALLAHASSEE - Gov. Jeb Bush on Monday strongly endorsed issuing state
driver's licenses to illegal immigrants... Hundreds of thousands of
people could be affected by the proposal, which is currently making
its way through the Florida Legislature. Sen. Rudy Garcia, a Hialeah
Republican pushing the measure in the Senate, says it would enable
those stuck in immigration limbo to drive with valid licenses and get
insurance while they work to become citizens. "Our roads and streets
will be safer because of this," Garcia said...


Jeb Bush backs illegal-immigrant driver licenses | The San Diego Union-Tribune
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I'd say the difference, perhaps minor to some, is that it is a State taking action affecting only that one State and it was a popular move in the State at the time. That's different from an imposition from the Federal level that affects all States whether they want it or not.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'd say the difference, perhaps minor to some, is that it is a State taking action affecting only that one State and it was a popular move in the State at the time. That's different from an imposition from the Federal level that affects all States whether they want it or not.
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Sorry, by one foul swoop, or state by state, I don't want illegals getting drivers licenses. That's the most overt tempt I've ever seen from you to diminish the results of a right winger doing the same thing as a left winger. And this guy could be Americas next president, and he favours giving illegals drivers licenses. Colossal fail CJ!
 
justabubba said:
ditto for travelgate
whitewater and the connection to those convicted
throw in when she knew bill lied to the public about monica and what she then did ... or didn't do
we're in a for a really dirty campaign - in both directions
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LOL that didn't work in the 90's and it won't work now. Bill Clinton left office with the highest approval ratings of any modern President.

http://www.davemanuel.com/which-modera-era-president-left-office-with-the-highest-approval-rating-101/
 
CanadaJohn said:
I'd say the difference, perhaps minor to some, is that it is a State taking action affecting only that one State and it was a popular move in the State at the time. That's different from an imposition from the Federal level that affects all States whether they want it or not.
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I think you and Grant are to the right of the right most American poster at DP. Are there many of you guys up there?
 
Montecresto said:
Sorry, by one foul swoop, or state by state, I don't want illegals getting drivers licenses. That's the most overt tempt I've ever seen from you to diminish the results of a right winger doing the same thing as a left winger. And this guy could be Americas next president, and he favours giving illegals drivers licenses. Colossal fail CJ!
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He also favor a path to citizenship for illegals and you will either vote for him or stay home. Either way Hillary wins easily.
 
iguanaman said:
He also favor a path to citizenship for illegals and you will either vote for him or stay home. Either way Hillary wins easily.
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I've only voted for an establishment candidate once. And I regret that. It would tickle me to see the independents, who out number either party alone, join together and elect an independent candidate and force the elephant and the ass to set one out and see if that didn't get their attention. Seriously, I can't believe that there aren't more people that would like to see that play.
 
Montecresto said:
Sorry, by one foul swoop, or state by state, I don't want illegals getting drivers licenses. That's the most overt tempt I've ever seen from you to diminish the results of a right winger doing the same thing as a left winger. And this guy could be Americas next president, and he favours giving illegals drivers licenses. Colossal fail CJ!
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Sorry to disappoint you - I wasn't speaking to the actual policy decision as much as I was speaking to the circumstances. There are many things that a State Governor may do at the behest of his constituents that wouldn't translate to the Federal level.

It's also no secret that Jeb Bush is far more "moderate" when it comes to finding solutions for the "illegals" problem in the US than many in his party are. You see, people like Jeb Bush and his brother, who have been Governors of States like Florida and Texas, have a keen understanding of the illegals issues in their states. GW tried unsuccessfully to find a solution when President and I'm sure Jeb will also try to find a solution when he's President.

It's a very contentious issue and anyone who attempts to address it is going to uncover new enemies regardless of what side he/she takes. But it's an issue that's not going to solve itself.
 
CanadaJohn said:
All anyone in politics can ask for is a fair hearing, the closer to the voters the better. Filtered through the media, you have a hard time picking out what's real and what's not. I know he's not polling at the top in NH yet, but I think the Bush team has a lot of faithful campaign volunteers there from past runs and I think the Romney people will for the most part side with Bush so once things get rolling I'm hopeful he'll do well. If he happens to win NH, he might just roll - I doubt he can win Iowa, so someone is going to get attention out of Iowa other than him.

Will be fun - at least on the Republican side there are some serious, sane, competent choices to make it interesting.
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Yeah, Iowa to be is as interesting as New Hampshire, but for a very different reason. In Iowa the religious right and far right candidates seem to fare really well. In New Hampshire, they don't. In the first 2 big Republican primary events, the "bases" show themselves in full force. Iowa's results tend not to stick long though, whereas NH makes a difference (except for Bush/McCain in 2000).

It will be very interesting and as always, I really can't wait to meet all of the candidates.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sorry to disappoint you - I wasn't speaking to the actual policy decision as much as I was speaking to the circumstances. There are many things that a State Governor may do at the behest of his constituents that wouldn't translate to the Federal level.
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Like a healthcare plan *cough cough*.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Sorry to disappoint you - I wasn't speaking to the actual policy decision as much as I was speaking to the circumstances. There are many things that a State Governor may do at the behest of his constituents that wouldn't translate to the Federal level.

It's also no secret that Jeb Bush is far more "moderate" when it comes to finding solutions for the "illegals" problem in the US than many in his party are. You see, people like Jeb Bush and his brother, who have been Governors of States like Florida and Texas, have a keen understanding of the illegals issues in their states. GW tried unsuccessfully to find a solution when President and I'm sure Jeb will also try to find a solution when he's President.

It's a very contentious issue and anyone who attempts to address it is going to uncover new enemies regardless of what side he/she takes. But it's an issue that's not going to solve itself.
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Yes, his solution will be drivers licenses for illegals, colossal fail.
 
Montecresto said:
I've only voted for an establishment candidate once. And I regret that. It would tickle me to see the independents, who out number either party alone, join together and elect an independent candidate and force the elephant and the ass to set one out and see if that didn't get their attention. Seriously, I can't believe that there aren't more people that would like to see that play.
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At the risk of getting too off topic....do you have any independents in mind?
 
Montecresto said:
Yes, his solution will be drivers licenses for illegals, colossal fail.
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That depends on a few things. He pushed for it in Florida (a state with a lot of illegals) 11 years ago. What's his stance on it now? And can the President make it a law without having to go through the lawmakers in DC?
 
Montecresto said:
I think you and Grant are to the right of the right most American poster at DP. Are there many of you guys up there?
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I don't know that I'm to the right of many people who call themselves conservatives on DP. I'm a Canadian conservative - we're fiscally conservative and socially liberal or more accurately libertarian. We have an old saying - "keep the government out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms". We also believe strongly in personal responsibility, and so we believe strongly in personal choice or to use an American term, we're pro-choice - but not solely in the abortion sense. We generally believe in people having the freedom to make their own life choices, even if we hate those choices.

I could argue that there are many on the left and right who are far more socially dictatorial than I am and who are less receptive to free choice unless it is the choice they favour.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't know that I'm to the right of many people who call themselves conservatives on DP. I'm a Canadian conservative - we're fiscally conservative and socially liberal or more accurately libertarian. We have an old saying - "keep the government out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms". We also believe strongly in personal responsibility, and so we believe strongly in personal choice or to use an American term, we're pro-choice - but not solely in the abortion sense. We generally believe in people having the freedom to make their own life choices, even if we hate those choices.

I could argue that there are many on the left and right who are far more socially dictatorial than I am and who are less receptive to free choice unless it is the choice they favour.
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See bold:

I believe that IS mainstream Canada, whether we vote Conservative today or Liberal tomorrow. The NDP is not mainstream, but a collection of special interests groups in growing conflict with each other; the NDP was routed here two years ago because the leader announced the banning of a controversial pipeline, forgetting that his base is largely unionized roughnecks who want work.

Increasingly we will see that breaking down and leaving them more splintered. Nationally the 'free enterprise" parties have always prevailed, they will be severely reduced next year.
 
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