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Does Jeb Bush have a Terri Schiavo Problem?

Does Jeb Bush Have a Schiavo Problem?


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Wasnt her husband the guy that was really upset that the money from a medical malpractice suit was going for her actual care and not his wallet?

Oh man...the flea circus that we are about to be exposed to for the next 2 years.......

Her brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, she was being kept on life support despite being clinically brain dead. Jeb Bush, along with conservatives in congress, intervened in what was a private medical matter in order to appease the religious right.
 
I don't like his post calling her a "creature". She wasn't a creature.

As a parent myself, I can fully understand how her parents felt. Not saying I'd do what they did, but I also don't agree that their opinions should be discounted completely.

I would rather my parents make a medical decision on my behalf than my husband who I've been with since we were both 18.

I'm not and never was convinced that Schiavo's husband really knew her wishes, and the quick way in which he moved on made me question him really having her long term best interest at heart.

EIGHT YEARS after she was declared brain dead is "quick?"

Her parents were furious because he refused to give them a portion of a $2 million malpractice judgment, although they were not entitled to a penny of it. As for the husband, he had taken her to the best experts in the country to try to revive her and spent a fortune doing so.

The Bush machine along with Hannity on FOX - a DECADE after her declared brain dead by EVERY medical expert - engaged in a massive campaign of lies targeting the husband. Tell a lie long enough and enough times and people believe it. That is the basis of your message too.

There was nothing quick about any of this. It was dragged on for 13 years AFTER she was brain dead.
 
Her brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, she was being kept on life support despite being clinically brain dead. Jeb Bush, along with conservatives in congress, intervened in what was a private medical matter in order to appease the religious right.
AS I said...there are a lot of people on the planet today that meet that category (some of them post on this site). Should we kill all of them for the greater good?
 
That's very compassionate towards her parents. By the way, there are a lot of "creatures" in hospitals and hospices today whose heads are "full of Jello". Do you suggest we just terminate these "creatures" once and for all today?

If God forbid I was ever hospitalized with a brain injury so severe that my brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, then the last people I would want making medical decisions on my behalf would be my parents. My wife would know my wishes in such an event (that I be taken off all life sustaining support), and I would want her to be making the decisions regarding that. As a parent myself, I think the problem in such a horrible situation is you are not going to be rational at all. One of the biggest reasons I would want my wife making the decisions is that in such a case if there was a settlement, I would want that money going to my wife and kids, not towards paying for long term life support for my brain dead body.

The worst scenario imaginable would be for my state's governor, members of the statehouse, or congress to get involved in what would be a private medical matter.

Moreover, yes this would hurt Jeb in a national election because nothing scares off moderate voters like a politician being shown as being too friendly with the religious right.
 
AS I said...there are a lot of people on the planet today that meet that category (some of them post on this site). Should we kill all of them for the greater good?

If it is their wish, as expressed to their spouse, to not be kept alive on life support if they are brain dead, then they should not be kept alive and the government sure as hell doesn't need to be getting involved in it.
 
No one will care. Those who will try to make a deal of it would never have voted for Jeb anyway.
 
If it is their wish, as expressed to their spouse, to not be kept alive on life support if they are brain dead, then they should not be kept alive and the government sure as hell doesn't need to be getting involved in it.

What if it is their wish expressed by a bitter angry hate filled little man like her husband but not that of her entire family?

I assume since this all 'matters' to you, you followed it while it was playing out...right? Which side came across as loving and caring and with her best interest at heart and which side came across as being pissed they couldnt keep the money and marry their new squeeze and didnt at all present as if they actually gave half a **** about her or anyone else but what HE wanted ?

Hmmmm...I think that question MAY be a little bit biased and leading...
 
and with good reason
they have as their own presumed candidate a old woman with a LOT of baggage, nothing notable that she stands for - excepting to get elected - and no charisma
if mitt had waited until this election, it was his for the taking
the only way hillary can win is if the republicans puts up for election their own version of dukakis, gore, and kerry. and if the GOP is foolish enough and goes too far right to find THE candidate, it will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory


here's where i trust the American public at large
tell them the truth
have a sound reason for your decision
and they will give you a pass, even if they disagree
for instance, if bill had come out and acknowledged he diddled with monica, we would have said 'bless his ***** chasing heart' and thought little of the good ole boy having a little fun. while monica was no prize, bill having to go home to hillary would explain a lot the motivation for his dalliances

To your former point, I believe this is why the MSM seem to promote stories and exposure for those on the extreme like Cruz. Ted Cruz has zero chance of being the Republican nominee, yet the media promotes him as such in the hope of drawing support to him, getting him in the race as a suicide bomber, and promoting, as you say, a GOP death spiral that takes down whomever the nominee may be. Conversely, the MSM never mentions any other potential candidates for the Democrat nomination. It's remarkable, in my view, that Biden never gets a whimper of exposure as a candidate when he's an obvious leading candidate.

To your latter point, that's bang on. Nothing is lost when you are comfortable with your policy positions and can rationalize them in simple, easy to follow terms. Trying to hide them or avoid them only gets you in trouble.

Hillary Clinton can't possibly win a Presidential race against Jeb Bush unless the media is successful in destroying him first and having the nuts in the GOP assist in that hatchet job is all the better for them.
 
Only if he decides not to run. It may be a non-issue in the GOP primaries as people will be lock-step, but it will be a nasty can of worms in the general election should he get the nomination. Euthanasia v. Obamacare death panels would pull no punches in the end, especially after MSNBC already has been fixated with pushing the message that people should pull the plug on Granny this year.

Think of the possible damage to the Democrat's front benches if euthanasia or death panels were legal - Clinton, Biden, Sanders, even Warren would be in the front of the line for disposal any day now.
 
Think of the possible damage to the Democrat's front benches if euthanasia or death panels were legal - Clinton, Biden, Sanders, even Warren would be in the front of the line for disposal any day now.

We are all standing in a queue.
 
Exactly. I was being sarcastic but that doesn't always come across on internet posts.;)

I don't think this is going to hurt Bush at all is what I was saying. If you are vehemently against what he did, you probably weren't going to vote for him anyway. And you won't vote for Santorum, Huckabee, Walker, etc.

Jeb Bush's social conservative credentials are equally as strong as Santorum's and Huckabee's - I'm not sure about Walker's. The difference is that Jeb Bush isn't a scary social conservative because his social views are personal and not driven to the level of public policy. He is the kind of candidate the Republicans need because he doesn't impose his judgments on others but he's also not afraid to have his views known.

This issue is an attempt to make Bush appear to be a social radical and it won't work because people can and will see the truth in who the guy is once they come to know him.
 
This tells me that the left is seriously concerned about a Jeb Bush run for the Presidency.

If anything, this incident will benefit Bush rather than hurt him, but it will most likely be irrelevant to those who would consider voting for Bush.

Now what could give you that idea?

Since even before he announced maybe taking a shot we have been subjected to several threads per week pointing out every misdeed that has ever been rumored to have happened.

"Don't Trust Jeb Bush With The Power of the Presidency" is one very paranoid headline, amazing attack propaganda and the election is still 20 months away.

Now think about that...20 months, just shy of two years and a hate Bush campaign has been underway for three.....that's some deep paranoia.
 
Jeb Bush's social conservative credentials are equally as strong as Santorum's and Huckabee's - I'm not sure about Walker's. The difference is that Jeb Bush isn't a scary social conservative because his social views are personal and not driven to the level of public policy. He is the kind of candidate the Republicans need because he doesn't impose his judgments on others but he's also not afraid to have his views known.

This issue is an attempt to make Bush appear to be a social radical and it won't work because people can and will see the truth in who the guy is once they come to know him.

That is of course, other than the part where he had the legislature throw together a crappy Lonaday, declared himself the guardian of someone you never met and then send state troopers in defiance of the superior court order remove the feeding tube

Other then that his social conservatism is all personal ;)
 
To your former point, I believe this is why the MSM seem to promote stories and exposure for those on the extreme like Cruz. Ted Cruz has zero chance of being the Republican nominee, yet the media promotes him as such in the hope of drawing support to him, getting him in the race as a suicide bomber, and promoting, as you say, a GOP death spiral that takes down whomever the nominee may be. Conversely, the MSM never mentions any other potential candidates for the Democrat nomination. It's remarkable, in my view, that Biden never gets a whimper of exposure as a candidate when he's an obvious leading candidate.

To your latter point, that's bang on. Nothing is lost when you are comfortable with your policy positions and can rationalize them in simple, easy to follow terms. Trying to hide them or avoid them only gets you in trouble.

Hillary Clinton can't possibly win a Presidential race against Jeb Bush unless the media is successful in destroying him first and having the nuts in the GOP assist in that hatchet job is all the better for them.

It too is used to remind the converted of past ills and perceived failings of "the enemy". Ted Crux, they believe has been tarnished, he is gasp "Canadian" and further "Mexican" or whatever they can squeeze out of differences so raising his name in connection with losing power drives the "Grubers" into nutsville. Sarah Palin is a war cry, and they have so demonized the word "Bush" it can stand for them as logo..."Bush did it too, it's Bush fault, "Bush's War [that we voted for]

I agree, 20 months away and they have to drag up a mostly forgotten tragic decision that had to be made, a "no winner" it is called, to slam the guy and we're not even certain he will, indeed run.

Paranoia, and a real fear that next to an aging shrew with no platform, Bush will win.

One thing that stands out in these attacks...they are always about personal character, and never about how his record and policies might effect the nation....that's always secondary behind the personality.....

And look where that got them, and incompetent rock star with thin skin
 
and with good reason
they have as their own presumed candidate a old woman with a LOT of baggage, nothing notable that she stands for - excepting to get elected - and no charisma
if mitt had waited until this election, it was his for the taking
the only way hillary can win is if the republicans puts up for election their own version of dukakis, gore, and kerry. and if the GOP is foolish enough and goes too far right to find THE candidate, it will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory


here's where i trust the American public at large
tell them the truth
have a sound reason for your decision
and they will give you a pass, even if they disagree
for instance, if bill had come out and acknowledged he diddled with monica, we would have said 'bless his ***** chasing heart' and thought little of the good ole boy having a little fun. while monica was no prize, bill having to go home to hillary would explain a lot the motivation for his dalliances

Re: the bolded part about Mitt....I think you couldn't be more right and I think the same thing. It's very difficult to unseat an incumbent President and knowing this, his chances were marginal at best in 2012. Had he waited until 2016, I think things would have turned out differently, especially if he ran against Hillary.
 
To your former point, I believe this is why the MSM seem to promote stories and exposure for those on the extreme like Cruz. Ted Cruz has zero chance of being the Republican nominee, yet the media promotes him as such in the hope of drawing support to him, getting him in the race as a suicide bomber, and promoting, as you say, a GOP death spiral that takes down whomever the nominee may be. Conversely, the MSM never mentions any other potential candidates for the Democrat nomination. It's remarkable, in my view, that Biden never gets a whimper of exposure as a candidate when he's an obvious leading candidate.

To your latter point, that's bang on. Nothing is lost when you are comfortable with your policy positions and can rationalize them in simple, easy to follow terms. Trying to hide them or avoid them only gets you in trouble.

Hillary Clinton can't possibly win a Presidential race against Jeb Bush unless the media is successful in destroying him first and having the nuts in the GOP assist in that hatchet job is all the better for them.

Good morning, CJ. :2wave:

Obama is helping the best way he can by giving millions of illegals drivers licenses and job cards, thereby giving them an ID to vote Democrat! Oh wait - maybe he won't much care how they vote in 2016 since he'll be leaving, but I truly pity whoever it is that inherits what he's going to leave them, and it doesn't matter what party they are. He doesn't like the Clintons, and he's called the Rebs his "enemies," so that may be a win either way in his book. The downside will be having to lower the standard of living he has enjoyed for the past six years, which includes having to start paying for his own multi-million dollar vacations though, and that's going to be really tough on his family budget. :shock:
 
Her brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, she was being kept on life support despite being clinically brain dead. Jeb Bush, along with conservatives in congress, intervened in what was a private medical matter in order to appease the religious right.

They intervened because they were trying to appease themselves. You may find it hard to believe, but Republicans have convictions too, and don't do everything solely to "appease" others.
 
EIGHT YEARS after she was declared brain dead is "quick?"

Her parents were furious because he refused to give them a portion of a $2 million malpractice judgment, although they were not entitled to a penny of it. As for the husband, he had taken her to the best experts in the country to try to revive her and spent a fortune doing so.

The Bush machine along with Hannity on FOX - a DECADE after her declared brain dead by EVERY medical expert - engaged in a massive campaign of lies targeting the husband. Tell a lie long enough and enough times and people believe it. That is the basis of your message too.

There was nothing quick about any of this. It was dragged on for 13 years AFTER she was brain dead.

Yes, I know. Her parents were terrible people. Not sure what Hannity and Fox have to do with my post. The section to complain about them is that way.------>
 
If God forbid I was ever hospitalized with a brain injury so severe that my brain had atrophied to the size of a walnut, then the last people I would want making medical decisions on my behalf would be my parents. My wife would know my wishes in such an event (that I be taken off all life sustaining support), and I would want her to be making the decisions regarding that. As a parent myself, I think the problem in such a horrible situation is you are not going to be rational at all. One of the biggest reasons I would want my wife making the decisions is that in such a case if there was a settlement, I would want that money going to my wife and kids, not towards paying for long term life support for my brain dead body.

The worst scenario imaginable would be for my state's governor, members of the statehouse, or congress to get involved in what would be a private medical matter.

Moreover, yes this would hurt Jeb in a national election because nothing scares off moderate voters like a politician being shown as being too friendly with the religious right.

I'm glad for you. I would want my parents making decisions for me. I would also want to make decisions for my kids.

Moderate voters who wouldn't vote for a pro-life candidate weren't going to vote for Jeb anyway.
 
Jeb Bush's social conservative credentials are equally as strong as Santorum's and Huckabee's - I'm not sure about Walker's. The difference is that Jeb Bush isn't a scary social conservative because his social views are personal and not driven to the level of public policy. He is the kind of candidate the Republicans need because he doesn't impose his judgments on others but he's also not afraid to have his views known.

This issue is an attempt to make Bush appear to be a social radical and it won't work because people can and will see the truth in who the guy is once they come to know him.

I heard he was a very popular governor in Florida. I admit I don't know too much about him, and recently I've been starting to pay a little more attention to his record, and less to his last name. He's supposed to start appearing a lot in NH soon and I'm going to have the chance to meet him. Look forward to it.
 
Jeb Bush's social conservative credentials are equally as strong as Santorum's and Huckabee's - I'm not sure about Walker's. The difference is that Jeb Bush isn't a scary social conservative because his social views are personal and not driven to the level of public policy. He is the kind of candidate the Republicans need because he doesn't impose his judgments on others but he's also not afraid to have his views known.

This issue is an attempt to make Bush appear to be a social radical and it won't work because people can and will see the truth in who the guy is once they come to know him.

Very well said.:thumbs:
 
I heard he was a very popular governor in Florida. I admit I don't know too much about him, and recently I've been starting to pay a little more attention to his record, and less to his last name. He's supposed to start appearing a lot in NH soon and I'm going to have the chance to meet him. Look forward to it.

He was extremely popular, and an effective governor.
 
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