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What is Modern Feminism about?

What is Modern Feminism

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Peter Grimm said:
I don't think any single people should be able to vote, men or women. By the way, that includes me, since I'm not married.

Democracy was never meant to be a free-for-all. Restricting who can vote has a long precedent in the United States, and I believe in having all sorts of restrictions as the common man doesn't really understand politics or know the candidates.

As for the facts and data, just look at how the following things have been affected since the women's lib movement: Divorce rates (WAY UP), out-of-wedlock births (WAY UP) and entitlement spending (WAY UP).

Feminism, seen one way, is an attack on the traditional nuclear family. The traditional nuclear family is the best known model for providing stability and a good nurturing environment for the next generation. For this reason, feminism has done more harm than good.

It's not as if women were oppressed before. Women have always been women, cunning and able to get what they want.
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A Republic form of government was never meant to be a free for all. That's why this system is able to provide some protection for the minorities...regardless of the nature of the minorities. Not so with a true Democracy. The majority would always win and always snuffing out the minorities. Well, until anarchist groups formed and begin fighting for power.

Wow! Women's Lib - the true Nemesis behind the fall of the American Empire. Remarkable perspective. But no surprise that some truly believe that.
 
Removable Mind said:
A Republic form of government was never meant to be a free for all. That's why this system is able to provide some protection for the minorities...regardless of the nature of the minorities. Not so with a true Democracy. The majority would always win and always snuffing out the minorities. Well, until anarchist groups formed and begin fighting for power.

Wow! Women's Lib - the true Nemesis behind the fall of the American Empire. Remarkable perspective. But no surprise that some truly believe that.
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For me it's just easier to just dismiss someone's supposedly 'self-evident' interpretation of events and intentions when they are so irrelevant today.

Finally 'forcing' some states to provide equal rights for blacks certainly created many social changes....both good and bad depending on perspectives...and we have not yet seen the results of those changes...society isnt static.

Inconvenience and outdated prejudices (esp those that people see threatening their own places in society) should not be involved in decisions about equal rights for people.
 
Lursa said:
For me it's just easier to just dismiss someone's supposedly 'self-evident' interpretation of events and intentions when they are so irrelevant today.

Finally 'forcing' some states to provide equal rights for blacks certainly created many social changes....both good and bad depending on perspectives...and we have not yet seen the results of those changes...society isnt static.

Inconvenience and outdated prejudices (esp those that people see threatening their own places in society) should not be involved in decisions about equal rights for people.
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Touche!

When any group that's held significant power over another, especially for long periods of time, which eventually finds itself having to relinquish it's power "in part or whole", usually resorts to the strategy of whining and crying things like reverse discrimination. Amazing.
 
Removable Mind said:
A Republic form of government was never meant to be a free for all. That's why this system is able to provide some protection for the minorities...regardless of the nature of the minorities. Not so with a true Democracy. The majority would always win and always snuffing out the minorities. Well, until anarchist groups formed and begin fighting for power.

Wow! Women's Lib - the true Nemesis behind the fall of the American Empire. Remarkable perspective. But no surprise that some truly believe that.
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How is this true? The majority often takes the minority needs into account... why does it always have to be us verse them? Why do people like you always like to group people?

I think it's because, grouping people into races and classes actually helps you.... if everyone assimilated into a multicultural blob where no one group could have any true distinguishment from another, then you wouldn't be able to target groups of people you have a bias for or against.
the concept of ethnicity is stupid and promotes racism. Everyone is an American in America... there is no such thing as "white" culture in America... it's just American culture, which has tons of contributions from many different places from Hip-hop(which mainstream culture participates in) to country.
And I don't see why anyone in America should separate their culture based on race... that's inherently racist. Anyone can participate in anything cultural in America if they want to.... doesn't matter what "color" they are. The best rapper is white... the coolest country singer is black.
No ethnicity has a claim on what culture is in the present... history can have it's reflections after the fact.

I'm done ranting...
 
instagramsci said:
nope. i am actually almost as gay as gay can be. im saying that gays were also once accused of being delusional. its not much different in this case
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Being attracted to people of the same sex and thinking you are a different sex than you are aren't even close. I don't care what homosexuals used to be or still are called... it is not delusional. Thinking you are something other than what you are though... is delusional. I am no more a bird than I am a woman.

i dont think they are the same. i think they are different because i dont believe in biological essentialism
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I simply say that they are different because they are not the same...

i havent seen you post anything that supports your "side". just accusations of delusion and comparisons to bi-polarness and schizophrenia
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I am not accusing anybody of anything... I am simply describing what is. The fact is, and what I have pointed out, is that nothing supports either side. It is all best guess. I will err on the side of common sense though and that is that a man born a male is a male... period. Same with a woman... she is a woman. To think otherwise is delusional. That said, I am going to bust out the old, "I know a lot of gay guys, lesbians and transgendered as I lived near Laguna Beach for decades and near San Francisco. I hold no ill will and count many of them my friends...
 
celticwar17 said:
How is this true? The majority often takes the minority needs into account... why does it always have to be us verse them? Why do people like you always like to group people?

I think it's because, grouping people into races and classes actually helps you.... if everyone assimilated into a multicultural blob where no one group could have any true distinguishment from another, then you wouldn't be able to target groups of people you have a bias for or against.
the concept of ethnicity is stupid and promotes racism. Everyone is an American in America... there is no such thing as "white" culture in America... it's just American culture, which has tons of contributions from many different places from Hip-hop(which mainstream culture participates in) to country.
And I don't see why anyone in America should separate their culture based on race... that's inherently racist. Anyone can participate in anything cultural in America if they want to.... doesn't matter what "color" they are. The best rapper is white... the coolest country singer is black.
No ethnicity has a claim on what culture is in the present... history can have it's reflections after the fact.

I'm done ranting...
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Oh come on, Celtic. I know you better than that. You can't give up ranting now. If you don't rant about something at least once a day...the rest of us at DP would be miserable! :lol:

People LIKE ME? Who said I liked it. I just pointed out the obvious.

You're claiming that I believe that Grouping People (race, gender, etc) helps? Really? Celtic, Celtic, Celtic....

And as you might suspect...I don't agree too much with your rant. I don't think the history books support your argument. AND...I agree that majorities may take minorities in account, alright. They take them in account for the purpose of determining just how much a minority will impact their lives. Then they act accordingly.

IMHO, people just aren't evolved enough to be capable of being genuinely civil and promote true equality for all. Not here. Not anywhere.

Oh, and have you ever heard the saying...."And Liberty and Justice for ALL"? I'm assuming you have and preferred to ignore it. But, hey, I like you anyway.
 
Removable Mind said:
A Republic form of government was never meant to be a free for all. That's why this system is able to provide some protection for the minorities...regardless of the nature of the minorities. Not so with a true Democracy. The majority would always win and always snuffing out the minorities. Well, until anarchist groups formed and begin fighting for power.

Wow! Women's Lib - the true Nemesis behind the fall of the American Empire. Remarkable perspective. But no surprise that some truly believe that.
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I read this post twice and I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. I'm not advocating for a true democracy, quite the opposite. I believe in a measured form of democracy with reasonable constraints on who can vote - much in line with the thinking of the original founding fathers.

In other news, I don't know why you and Lursa are projecting supposed intentions on what, to me, is nothing more than a principled stance. Nobody is whining or crying about anything, at least any more than one would "whine or cry" about their belief in a higher minimum wage or a proposed change to gun regulation. I simply hold a fringe political position based on what I believe to be common sense and traditional family values. As with any political stance - we are all, as Americans, entitled to believe as we wish, and no man's opinion is inherently better than the next.

We are on this forum to have debates. If you or Lursa wish to run away from the issue, that's more of an indictment on you than on the legitimacy of my beliefs. In other words, if my position were so illogical, one would assume it should be quite easy to dispel it. The fact that you're unwilling/unable to do so and instead revert to snarky personal attacks should make it clear to all that you really have no logic to offer, just emotion and un-thought out herd beliefs.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I read this post twice and I have no idea what point you're trying to make here. I'm not advocating for a true democracy, quite the opposite. I believe in a measured form of democracy with reasonable constraints on who can vote - much in line with the thinking of the original founding fathers.

In other news, I don't know why you and Lursa are projecting supposed intentions on what, to me, is nothing more than a principled stance. Nobody is whining or crying about anything, at least any more than one would "whine or cry" about their belief in a higher minimum wage or a proposed change to gun regulation. I simply hold a fringe political position based on what I believe to be common sense and traditional family values. As with any political stance - we
are all, as Americans, entitled to believe as we wish, and no man's opinion is inherently better than the next.

We are on this forum to have debates. If you or Lursa wish to run away from the issue, that's more of an indictment on you than on the legitimacy of my beliefs. In other words, if my position were so illogical, one would assume it should be quite easy to dispel it. The fact that you're unwilling/unable to do so and instead revert to snarky personal attacks should make it clear to all that you really have no logic to offer, just emotion and un-thought out herd beliefs.
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If after reading my post twice and you didn't get it. I choose not to read the small booklet, which followed. What's the point in reading it? How can you respond to something you don't understand?
 
Removable Mind said:
If after reading my post twice and you didn't get it. I choose not to read the small booklet, which followed. What's the point in reading it? How can you respond to something you don't understand?
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Whatever. You stick to emotion and petty snark, I'll stick with principles, fact, and logic.
 
Declan said:
Only on the interwebz. In real life they tend to be very slothy and unattractive.
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Quite different from the male gays?
 
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To me, feminism can be summed up with this quote;
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"Men, their rights and nothing more.
Woman, their rights and nothing less."​
 
Paxaeon said:
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To me, feminism can be summed up with this quote;
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"Men, their rights and nothing more.
Woman, their rights and nothing less."​
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With that being said, I can see why women would be annoyed. I mean, when you step back and realize that more women are graduating then men at this point, and there's still an imbalance in many positions between men and women, despite their also being a 50/50 split with women.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
With that being said, I can see why women would be annoyed. I mean, when you step back and realize that more women are graduating then men at this point, and there's still an imbalance in many positions between men and women, despite their also being a 50/50 split with women.
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The gender graduation rate in high school, 84% (girls) 77% (boys).
 
Modern feminism is about fighting for women to have all the benefits of being a man, and none of the drawbacks.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
But shouldn't it? I mean, let's say that those rates hold in law school degrees. Shouldn't we also see a similar result when looking at new hires into said industry? I mean, if the goal is to hire the best that is.
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It should, in theory. But in a real world, women and minorities still have the figurative "glass ceiling" to contend with, although it has been slowly breaking down for women.
 
tres borrachos said:
I don't oppose or support them, although to the point you're making, yes there are some connotation that I don't like.

I don't think we're the same as men or equal to, and that's what feminism assumes. That doesn't mean we shouldn't get the same rights or opportunities as men.
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Ah - I see. Well I interpret things differently. I think some women try to push 'same' - but I disagree with that just like you. It doesn't take a brain-child to look in the mirror or observe men and women on a daily basis and see we're different.

'Equality' - to me - is a matter of being treated equal in various ways by people like employers [when we're assigned and accomplish the same tasks] and the law [here the law just can't make up its mind - drunk sex, for example, is unfairly applied to men and women, giving man this concept of 'authority' or 'superior states of inebriation' in which they're held more responsible for their actions]. But beyond things like that, it's case-by-case, depending on the interpretation and application of that term.

Anything that tries to diminish femininity and undervalue my choices I've made as a stay at home mother offend me to the utmost and don't represent feminism - but it furthers a prejudice against women. I've probably bitched about that more in my life than anything else, as well as how poorly many women who are 'uber-feminist' look down on males.
 
The real issue is blind grouping . . . . .

many people think they know what feminism is and don't have a clue or a very slanted one . . .

feminism is about equal rights PERIOD . . . . .

its the people who are either already bigoted against women or biasedly judge the the group based on an individual that are the problem

this is where mentally inept phrases like feminist agenda, gay agenda, black agenda, liberal agenda, conservative agenda, christian agenda, pro-choice agenda etc etc etc come from

a racist black guy that doesnt like whites doesnt represent the black agenda, no more than a racist white guy represents the white agenda
just like a feminists that wants women to rule the world doesnt represent the feminists agenda

just cause you know one or even many doesnt mean thats what they all are

just like millions of "lefties" support the 2A and millions of "righties" and "christians" support equal rights for choice and gays :shrug:

I watched a nutter feminist talk about standards for firemen and saying women shouldnt be forced to to pass any tests or carry things or chop down doors etc
Its societies responsibility to have less fires and invent things that could aid women in these cases like an electric axe of something like that, thats where the focus should be

now of course this loon was crazier than a **** house rat but at no time just because she called herself a feminist did i equate her to speak for feminism or representative of the group.

Its about equal rights, thats all
other issues are for individuals or maybe subgroups etc but not about the overall group
 
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