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Should American adopt the right to Doctor Assisted Suicide?

Should Doctor assisted suicide be legal?

  • yes

    Votes: 42 70.0%

  • Depends on the regulation put in place and circumstances

    Votes: 11 18.3%

  • no

    Votes: 7 11.7%
  • Total voters
    60
Henrin said:
Wow. Causing someones death is objectively causing a harm. How in the hell is that something even up for discussion?



Do you really think anything new is being talked about here? What exactly is new about the idea of helping someone else die?
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Again by definition that's not objective, why do you make stuff up, it's completely subjective, does this usually work here on this board?
 
Zinthaniel said:
It is up for discussion Henrin. Your sad attempts at constantly trying to color your oppositions stance as "stupid" will never work with some one who has the intellectual capacity to see your pathetic debating tactics for what they are.

Subjectivity is very much in place her. Living can at times be more harmful for someone who is suffering a painful existence that no medical know how can alleviate. Thus in these cases, death - which leads to an end to pain - is far less harmful.

That's logic 101 try it out sometime.




What is new is the concept of accepting someone's choice to end their life and their choice to have someone assist them with it legally.
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Good post, you are correct of course backed up by context and the definitions of the words in question.

Anyway I'm confused, again I know I'm new here but is just flat out denying the meaning of words common here? Is this the type of environment that is wanted or promoted, is everything meant to be debated or ignored even when facts already provide the answer?
 
LaylaWindu said:
Anyway I'm confused, again I know I'm new here but is just flat out denying the meaning of words common here? Is this the type of environment that is wanted or promoted, is everything meant to be debated or ignored even when facts already provide the answer?
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Yes there are a few for whom this is their M.O., but it's not that common in most threads. Just dont go in the abortion sub-forum and you'll miss alot of it.
 
JayDubya said:
I presented you with an ethical option that is very peaceful.

Killing another human being in aggression remains evil and barbaric.

If you killed a patient like that where I live, you would be convicted of murder and you would deserve that fate.
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Is this the type of poster you are, keep repeating a fallacy in hopes people will believe it? There is no aggression in assisted suicide, a link was provided and context already proves this.

This place seems like it might be weird hahaha but entertaining at least.
 
TeleKat said:
This is one of those issues where I'm left stunned that anybody actually opposes this. I can understand heavy regulation, but an outright ban? Really?

People have the right to end their own life. Period. It's to the point that with drug prohibition, prostitution bans, forced pregnancies through abortion bans, and these suicide bans, we are basically asserting that the state has total control over our bodies. And it's ironically "limited government" advocates giving them said control.
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I whole hearty agree . .. . as you can see though, so far there hasn't been any sound reasoning to be against it. I've only seen manufactured feelings and out right lies. There's good reason for regulation though just like you said.
 
Lursa said:
Certain posters yes, as you've noted, but please dont let that scare you off. Most are quite reasonable and we welcome new people.
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Well I do admit I haven't read a lot yet, many do seem nice, civil and educated to a basic extent whether I agree with tier views or not. I've just never seen such flat out dishonesty before. I mean where I was before there were extremists of course and racists etc but I've never seen somebody just ignore a definition and make up their own. There is no aggression in assisted suicide, I don't even understand how anybody could suggest otherwise. Seems the majority here have a handle on these types of post though, you just gang up on them, point out their holes, flaws and how incorrect they are. Don't get me wrong debate is fun, on something that is actually debatable, but just making up lies is weird. Thanks for the welcome btw.
 
JayDubya said:
There is nothing dishonest in my statement. I think you have a right to kill yourself if you want to, as a function of your rights to liberty and property. I do not think it is ever permissible to kill another human in aggression, as a function of the right to life.



Given your wretched output thus far, trolling in virtually every post, hopefully you'll just keep on bouncing.
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Again nobody here is talking about killing another human in aggression, that is the dishonest part you keep repeating and that many others have pointed out to you. What do you base that on? I was going to provide links showing your statement is wrong but others already did that. So I'm asking you besides your feelings and opinions what do you have that lends support to your statement and makes it honest

Trolling? Guess that's another word along with aggression you don't understand. I bet you have a lot of friends and supporters here huh? hahaha. Not that it matters but that can be very telling. I think I'll take the advice of the majority here that showed your posts to be wrong and bounced it to pieces. Thanks for the entertainment Jay.
 
JayDubya said:
If an innocent living human being, clearly not attacking you, is in your presence and you perform an act that kills them, then yeah, that is the initiation of force, lethal force. That is the very definition of aggression. It is a homicide. It should be prosecuted as murder.

Kevorkian was prosecuted and convicted for murder for that very reason.
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Sorry but in the real word, the dictionary and English language all disagree with you. You can keep trying to sell those lies but as you see people just make fun of them.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Again by definition that's not objective, why do you make stuff up, it's completely subjective, does this usually work here on this board?
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How is killing someone not harming them?
 
LaylaWindu said:
Using your made up definition assisted suicide is not aggression. Your own definition and a link to the dictionary all prove your statement to be in accurate. Do you have anything else?
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Ok, how do kill someone and not inflict harm on them?
 
Lursa said:
Yes there are a few for whom this is their M.O., but it's not that common in most threads. Just dont go in the abortion sub-forum and you'll miss alot of it.
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Well at least it seems "the herd" joins in on the fun when they post this way.
The abortion sub-forum? I'm still navigating around and haven't seen it yet I don't think. I don't mind discussing abortion, where I came from had many talks about that. Again there were extremist but for the most part people were honest and civil and if not, then they were given the boot. Where I was before was probably over modded, this place seems to have much more traffic and freedom. I guess there will be pros and cons to that. More traffic, more entertainment, more action and more talks is a good thing but posts styles like those two were making wouldn't last long there. The one was just flat out uncivil and rude to many of you, guess that happens though when yinz beat his posts up so bad. Well it was nice talking and I'll be around . . . is there a friend system here? Ill try to find you.
 
I am not completely against doctor assisted suicide, but I think if a patient has debt or dependents they should have to show that they are in unbearable physical pain before any doctor agrees to help them commit suicide.
 
Henrin said:
How is killing someone not harming them?
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Easy, It's what they want so there is no harm unless it's invented.
Same question to you and please note I'm not asking for you subjective opinion of the harm, you claimed it's objective fact, so please explain the part that is fact. My guess is every answer you give you will be making it up and assuming something based on your own subjective feelings, opinions, theories, mottos, philosophies or whatever but none of it will be a fact. With that said though, I do want you to try because I find it very interesting when somebody just posts a flat out lie and denies reality and evidence . . . . . . . Hell maybe you can convince me, please present the facts that make it objective harm.
 
Krhazy said:
I am not completely against doctor assisted suicide, but I think if a patient has debt or dependents they should have to show that they are in unbearable physical pain before any doctor agrees to help them commit suicide.
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This is actually a good idea of where regulation should be and where possible abuse could take place, good point!
 
LaylaWindu said:
Easy, It's what they want so there is no harm unless it's invented.
Same question to you and please note I'm not asking for you subjective opinion of the harm, you claimed it's objective fact, so please explain the part that is fact. My guess is every answer you give you will be making it up and assuming something based on your own subjective feelings, opinions, theories, mottos, philosophies or whatever but none of it will be a fact. With that said though, I do want you to try because I find it very interesting when somebody just posts a flat out lie and denies reality and evidence . . . . . . . Hell maybe you can convince me, please present the facts that make it objective harm.
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How do you kill someone without causing them physical damage?
 
LaylaWindu said:
Well at least it seems "the herd" joins in on the fun when they post this way.
The abortion sub-forum? I'm still navigating around and haven't seen it yet I don't think. I don't mind discussing abortion, where I came from had many talks about that. Again there were extremist but for the most part people were honest and civil and if not, then they were given the boot. Where I was before was probably over modded, this place seems to have much more traffic and freedom. I guess there will be pros and cons to that. More traffic, more entertainment, more action and more talks is a good thing but posts styles like those two were making wouldn't last long there. The one was just flat out uncivil and rude to many of you, guess that happens though when yinz beat his posts up so bad. Well it was nice talking and I'll be around . . . is there a friend system here? Ill try to find you.
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Just a quick comment....it's an infraction to discuss other posters in a thread and we need to remain on topic.

Otherwise you'll get a warning or thread ban. You're new but i'll probably get dinged for posting this, lol.

But that's how they generally keep the idiocy in check. (Generally)
 
Henrin said:
How do you kill someone without causing them physical damage?
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How do you have sex with someone without causing physical damage? How do you even shake a hand without causing physical damage?
What does any of those questions including yours have to do with answering the question I asked of you? Maybe you missed my request, please present the facts that make it objective harm.
 
Henrin said:
How do you kill someone without causing them physical damage?
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Floating off into sleep and not waking up isnt damage. And the person is already dying so it doesnt really matter.
 
LaylaWindu said:
This is actually a good idea of where regulation should be and where possible abuse could take place, good point!
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I try.

I also think people who want to have a doctor help them commit suicide should have to be organ donors.
 
Lursa said:
Floating off into sleep and not waking up isnt damage. And the person is already dying so it doesnt really matter.
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Really? :lol:
 
Lursa said:
Just a quick comment....it's an infraction to discuss other posters in a thread and we need to remain on topic.

Otherwise you'll get a warning or thread ban. You're new but i'll probably get dinged for posting this, lol.

But that's how they generally keep the idiocy in check. (Generally)
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Ooooh! sorry mod's! hahaha
Good call and thank you for pointing that out. I'll have to read the novel of rules more closely, which is a good thing BTW. We could go off topic if we wanted as long as it wasn't an intentional derail and we could talk about posters as long as the talk wasn't over the top or it focused on their posts and not them.

Thanks again and sorry again mods if I did break rules!

Also I "think" I sent you a friend request.
 
LaylaWindu said:
How do you have sex with someone without causing physical damage? How do you even shake a hand without causing physical damage?
What does any of those questions including yours have to do with answering the question I asked of you? Maybe you missed my request, please present the facts that make it objective harm.
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Harm: to cause injury to another; to hurt; to cause damage to something

So again, how do you kill someone and not harm them?
 
LaylaWindu said:
How do you have sex with someone without causing physical damage? How do you even shake a hand without causing physical damage?
What does any of those questions including yours have to do with answering the question I asked of you? Maybe you missed my request, please present the facts that make it objective harm.
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An injection or dosage of medication that puts someone to sleep and continues to depress their breathing until it stops isnt doing any physical damage.:doh
 
Krhazy said:
I try.

I also think people who want to have a doctor help them commit suicide should have to be organ donors.
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Why? One has nothing to do with the other.
 
LaylaWindu said:
Ooooh! sorry mod's! hahaha
Good call and thank you for pointing that out. I'll have to read the novel of rules more closely, which is a good thing BTW. We could go off topic if we wanted as long as it wasn't an intentional derail and we could talk about posters as long as the talk wasn't over the top or it focused on their posts and not them.

Thanks again and sorry again mods if I did break rules!

Also I "think" I sent you a friend request.
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Accepted :)

I think there are other subforums where you can have all sorts of casual discussions and a Basement where you can flame away but I dont go there.
 
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