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Has "racism" been overplayed as a bludgeon to use on political opponents?

Has "racism" been overplayed as a bludgeon to use on political opponents?

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 71.0%
  • No

    Votes: 9 29.0%

  • Total voters
    31
I never said we were, but thanks for clarifying what your specific bigotry is.

How did he go from anonymous posts on another message board to all southerners want to enslave black people anyway?

Those posts are confirming some people's points that this is out of control. He sees posters on a message board, and then decides that all "you people" on here share those views.

And I get accused of "broadly generalizing" for making a post about only myself, and to clarify my vote on this poll.

Is there any sanity left?
 
Oh no fine. I am actualy open to having my mind changed.

So please go ahead and show me some decent people beneath the mason dixon line.

Well for example, I'm exposing your hate and openly mocking it, which is the decent thing to do.

You're welcome.
 
(And you're from ****ing Germany, of all places. Shouldn't you know better than to do this?)

We are today the ONLY nation in ALL of Europe that has a growing jewish community and not a declining one!

We are the safest nation in Europe for jews to live in!

We are the nation that raises it`s children to remember that Auschwitz can never happen again!

We are the nation that made it`s biggest mistakes part of it`s national identety!

We are a nation that isnt so arrogant to proclaim that we finished learning from history, but claims to still be learning!

And I have every right to be proud of how far we have come as a nation since 1949!




Now show me the great lessons the South has learned in comparission! Show me if any of it`s mistakes even made it into the cultural conciousness of these people!
 
Well for example, I'm exposing your hate and openly mocking it, which is the decent thing to do.

You're welcome.

Snort!:mrgreen:
 
Well for example, I'm exposing your hate and openly mocking it, which is the decent thing to do.

You're welcome.

And that is your best example of a decent person?
 
We are today the ONLY nation in ALL of Europe that has a growing jewish community and not a declining one!

We are the safest nation in Europe for jews to live in!

We are the nation that raises it`s children to remember that Auschwitz can never happen again!

We are the nation that made it`s biggest mistakes part of it`s national identety!

We are a nation that isnt so arrogant to proclaim that we finished learning from history, but claims to still be learning!

And I have every right to be proud of how far we have come as a nation since 1949!




Now show me the great lessons the South has learned in comparission! Show me if any of it`s mistakes even made it into the cultural conciousness of these people!

Bwaahaahaahaa!
 
It's funny to watch a Southerner and a German right argue about who is most racist. You both have racist histories. Now make up and kiss.
 
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So why should I not be intolerant of a bunch of backwards morons dreaming of days when slavery was still legal?
I think there are more people in America who wish the Red Army had taken the whole of Germany at the end of WWII than there are those who wish for the return of slavery
 
It's funny to watch a Southerner and a German right argue about who is most racist. You both have racist histories. Now make up and go on a WP march together.

Unlike them, we actualy learned from history.

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Imagine what would happen to a person if they marched down Alexanderplatz in Berlin with a swastiker flag?

I think there are more people in America who wish the Red Army had taken the whole of Germany at the end of WWII than there are those who wish for the return of slavery

What?
 
Unlike them, we actualy learned from history.

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Imagine what would happen to a person if they marched down Alexanderplatz in Berlin with a swastiker flag?

What?

You know, I edited that post because I realized that being Southern or German doesn't necessarily mean you support WP notions. Southern racism has taken a new face that is world's apart from what it used to be. German racism has done the same. A country making laws to end racism doesn't change the mentality of ideological supporters or do you think Nazi sympathies ended with the Nazis?
 
You know, I edited that post because I realized that being Southern or German doesn't necessarily mean you support WP notions. Southern racism has taken a new face that is world's apart from what it used to be. German racism has done the same. A country making laws to end racism doesn't change the mentality of ideological supporters or do you think Nazi sympathies ended with the Nazis?

No. And it would be childish to think that.

I never claimed that there is no racism.

What I do however claim is that there is a cultural impulse in Germany to learn from history.

Most racism and far right extremism in Germany is constrained to the east which didnt create that same egalitarian impulse during the communist dictatorship.

Now where is there even the slightest bit off effort to learn from history in a place like Alabama or Mississipi?

There is none.

Your country essentialy has this cultural tumor sticking to it, which had to be forced into giving up it`s evil ways and now acts like a spoiled 12 year old who is being punished for being naughty.
 
So why should I not be intolerant of a bunch of backwards morons dreaming of days when slavery was still legal?
Well I'm glad you know the majority thoughts of all southern people...

I've lived in the South most my life, since I was two years old. I'm 25 now..... all my time in Georgia, I have only encountered 1 racist southern family... only 1. Out of the tens of thousands of people I met in my life.... only one. And it was an ex girlfriends extended family from redneck Florida. It was mainly her grand-parents, and they had the ability to debate with me on the subject without be inflammatory. And I vigorously debated with them, but they described how they have an old black lady friend who comes over who expresses the same view that they both should have the same rights, but not mix. I obviously disagreed with them... but they are from a different time and have avid favoritism for their own children and grand-children and don't want them to make bad choices with their lives.... that's what they are most concerned about

My college roommates a year ago...I lived with 5 other people. They were from middle of nowhere Georgia... they put a confederate flag in our living room and a bobcat taxidermy statue in a counter. And we had one black roommate from their same area who was just as southern as them and he didn't care at all..... in fact half of the people they invited over to the house were black, all from the same area...
Now, they were an intense group of people that for sure... all smoked weed and cocaine... interesting to look into that culture and a little frightening. All armed with guns... half going to college in a tech school close to mine.

You're bigotry towards the south is paranoia... there are racists that exist.... but nowhere near the scope you seem to think. Also, every criticism of black culture does not mean a hidden racism...
 
The question is pretty straight forward.

I'd go with maybe. And on both sides. The never talk about it side is as bad as the lets always talk about it side. The fact remains, it is still a factor today, like it or not.
 
The race card is beyond overused, it is obnoxious and stale. And yes, it is Welcome to Forbes.
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Yes, the race card is overplayed...leastways here on this forum.

However, I'm scratching my head on this one; "essentially ubiquitous from folks on the left." How can that be when it's the right that constantly brings up the topic of race??????
 
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Perhaps...on the other hand, it should be ovbvious to any thoughtful american that isnt afraid of his or her own reflection that the usa is anti-individual. Not only that but foriegners overseas are also against american individualism. Racism is only one aspect of the religious totalitarianism and obsessessive harassment of the individual who is forced to vote and harrassed to voluntarily do things like join the military. We might call the usa a land of harassed to voluntarism and generalization. We are not intelligent enough as americans to have a more neutral society, being prone to capitalist revisionism toward a more fascist ideal.

To test this observation, merely imagine a single american who is peaceful, feels voting is agressive, doesnt want to go to war, and dosnt care about accumulating massive amounts of capital. This type of person wopuld recieve the death sentence.
 
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How timely

President Obama was shocked and irritated by Mitt Romney's concession call in the 2012 presidential election—and claimed Romney insinuated that Obama won only by getting out the black vote, according to a new book by presidential campaign strategist David Axelrod.

Obama was "unsmiling during the call, and slightly irritated when it was over," Axelrod writes.

The president hung up and said Romney admitted he was surprised at his own loss, Axelrod wrote.

"'You really did a great job of getting the vote out in places like Cleveland and Milwaukee,' in other words, black people,'" Obama said, paraphrasing Romney. "That's what he thinks this was all about."

Obama 'irritated' by Romney's 2012 concession: David Axelrod - NY Daily News
 

Interesting. I didn't know when you're talking about people in Cleveland and Milwaukee, you're only talking about black people. No white people live there?

I wonder if Obama was pissed at this:

The confidential memo from a former pollster for President Obama contained a blunt warning for Democrats. Written this month with an eye toward Election Day, it predicted “crushing Democratic losses across the country” if the party did not do more to get black voters to the polls.

“African-American surge voters came out in force in 2008 and 2012, but they are not well positioned to do so again in 2014,” Cornell Belcher, the pollster, wrote in the memo, dated Oct. 1. “In fact, over half aren’t even sure when the midterm elections are taking place.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/in-black-vote-democrats-see-lifeline-for-midterms.html?_r=0

Did he call up Cornell Belcher and get irritated with him for suggesting the black vote helped him in 2012?
 
Interesting. I didn't know when you're talking about people in Cleveland and Milwaukee, you're only talking about black people. No white people live there?

I wonder if Obama was pissed at this:

The confidential memo from a former pollster for President Obama contained a blunt warning for Democrats. Written this month with an eye toward Election Day, it predicted “crushing Democratic losses across the country” if the party did not do more to get black voters to the polls.

“African-American surge voters came out in force in 2008 and 2012, but they are not well positioned to do so again in 2014,” Cornell Belcher, the pollster, wrote in the memo, dated Oct. 1.
“In fact, over half aren’t even sure when the midterm elections are taking place.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/us/in-black-vote-democrats-see-lifeline-for-midterms.html?_r=0

Did he call up Cornell Belcher and get irritated with him for suggesting the black vote helped him in 2012?

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Being a pink Irish-American I am in no way qualified to answer the question. The answer would best come from racial minorities, innit.
 
Being a pink Irish-American I am in no way qualified to answer the question. The answer would best come from racial minorities, innit.

Irish americans suffered racism historically but were also some of the biggest racists in the usa with an open powerful conservative lean. Bill o'reilly, McCarthyism, And that guy Boyle who had union leader Joseph Yablonski assasinated, you have some real rotters from the irish american community. I wouldnt trust an irishman not to stab me in the back and steal my wallet.

W. A. Boyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Many of the neo nazis in alabama even look irish, like with irish countenances. I was watching a documentary about neo nazis in the usa and it touched on a big group doing parades in alabama. Most of em were irish it seems. I dont care for them. You can see how they messed up the northeast so that in some parts of new england they think its exotic if you have a german name.

Like i lived in new england for a while and my name is german, and people treated me like i was a weirdo for not having an irish, french, or english name. And everyone was "all irish". Up there you at least have to have a french name.
 
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The question is pretty straight forward.

Absolutely, both in terms of accusing people/groups of racism when there's little to no direct evidence of such and in terms of people falsely crying about being called racists when it has not actually occured. "Racism" in general in political discourse from both sides has became amazingly devalued and made many desensitized because of it's gross over use and the victim mentality exaggerated reaction to that over use.
 
Unlike them, we actualy learned from history.

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Imagine what would happen to a person if they marched down Alexanderplatz in Berlin with a swastiker flag?

They'd be arrested and prosecuted, of course. It seems that Germany never did learn, after all, some of the most important lessons about essential human rights, including freedom of speech and the right to peaceably assemble. There's an irony in the fact that your shame over your Nazi past, and your desire to distance yourselves therefrom, manifests itself in the form of continuing to behave like Nazis where such essential liberties are concerned.
 
The question is pretty straight forward.

Yes it has and a very unfortunate push back has be demonizing legitimate cries of racism where almost ANY discussion of racism is automatically labeled "using the race card." I call it "using the race card card." Imagine any injustice, I can think of some, where the victim or her supporters can never complain about it without automatically being accused of being a liar who's crying wolf due to an intrenched culture of political correctness that is biased toward denying that sort of thing happens. I think that's where we are today with respect to legitimate claims of racism. I think its rooted in people being jaded over the bogus claims.
 
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