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Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222]

Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?


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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

When someone says you are desperate, it could be a sign that they are desperate and are merely projecting their feelings onto you.

Not only that, I have noticed that when some start CONSTANTLY using words like stupid, idiotic, and absurd, it's a sign that they have been put in some sort of mental anxiety because what you have said has a point and it is disturbing to their mind.



Mornin' Steel. :2wave: I am guilty of applying desperation to the left.....still, I was merely projecting that I am merciful. :lol:
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Mornin' Steel. :2wave: I am guilty of applying desperation to the left.....still, I was merely projecting that I am merciful. :lol:

HI MMC!!! Another great one!!!
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Moderator's Warning:
Folks, the level of flaming and baiting in this thread needs to end right now
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Total ****ing idiots shouldn't bash their own President!

The Liberals did it for years. :shrug:
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Here you go

Rep. Lamborn likens Obama to a “tar baby” - Salon.com



And I don't want to hear any "he meant something else" crap.

That comment is not about race, it's about the old "Uncle Remus" story. Your CHOICE to make it about race reflects YOUR racism, not his. You took the quote out of context and applied a highly biased interpretation of what it means.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

If I say I like big booty girls, that is an opinion, is subjective, and the truth.

Really???? You liking big booty girls is your opinion. The fact that it is your opinion is truth. Spin, spin, spin...
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

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Even if I'm wrong about race, your reply indicates I'm at least right about the "hate" part. Scary.

How pathetic.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Your CHOICE to make it about race reflects YOUR racism, not his.

Perhaps your response reflects YOUR racism, not mine.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Really???? You liking big booty girls is your opinion. The fact that it is your opinion is truth. Spin, spin, spin...

The fact that it is my opinion is indeed truth. It is also true that I like them.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I agree with you, Obama won because he was a superior candidate. He was superior to Hillary and far superior to McCain. I don't see any reason to deny, though, that his skin color helped him in 2008, but McCain was gonna lose no matter what color Obama was. I think many people voted for him because he was black, but I don't think it was decisive in either 2008 or 2012.

I doubt that it helped him. As I said, the number is insignificant. There were likely as many who didn't vote for him due to his race as didn't.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Your "observations" suggest rational discourse is not a goal you're interested in pursuing. Citing some unknown guy at a bank, or some people at a diner as proof of a universal truth even with your attempted disclaimer, is the definition of bigotry, which many who follow the same line of logic appear anxious to be associated with.

Wasn't the only thing I mentioned, but part of a spectrum of clear signs.

Calling out "liar" may have been a breach of decorum, but it's not proof of that which you claim.

Actually it is. Doing something so disrespectful that had not been done before does in fact suggest what I claim.

You've proved nothing other than to underscore the pathetic effort to use race as a foil against legitimate complaint and concern.

Not at all. Complain about actual things he does and not wild birther stuff, or yelling you lie in a hall where lies are common, but talk issues, and I'm fine.

By all means continue so others can see your claims positioned against those who risked so much to gain the equality and respect they should have had in the first place.

You are way off the mark here.

Shame on those who are too intellectually vacant that they would try to draw a connection and parallel.

And here you're incoherent.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Wasn't the only thing I mentioned, but part of a spectrum of clear signs.



Actually it is. Doing something so disrespectful that had not been done before does in fact suggest what I claim.


I think reality has to be stretched so far to draw the conclusions you have, it's obvious what your agenda is.

I think it's despicable. But as I've written, it's just more of the same from people desperate to avoid the truth.

:peace
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Perhaps your response reflects YOUR racism, not mine.

You have NOTHING to indicate that I'm racist and I have lots that indicates that you are. What you just engaged in is a little thing called "projection".
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I made no such excuses nor am I debating about why the Republicans lost the last 2 elections - nor is anyone else. Have you stumbled into the wrong thread?

I was commenting on your incorrect claim that it was racist for jdubya to say that people voted for Obama only because he was black and it was an historic vote. The Republicans have nothing to do with what he posted, and they have nothing to do with what I posted. You're bringing them into this discussion, and you're dialoging with yourself about them.

And your claim that I ever said or hinted that a "black man couldn't win on merit" is a lie, as evidenced by the fact I've said repeatedly that this country is ready for a black President. Don't make up things that aren't true. Obama won because people bought into his rhetoric. Pay attention....this gets tiresome when you make these trolls posts.

Pay attention to the post you declared to be "racist" and read it again.

I like this post because it fits right into the smoke and mirrors many folks try to use to camouflage their racial bias of America's 42nd President.

You say America was ready for its first Black president, and state firmly (above) that a Black man could win the presidency on merit. Yet, when you denounce his "merits" (i.e., his community activism, his state and Federal Senatorial credentials) as if they mean far less than having "executive experience" from a govenorship and then add on other such denouncements as "he won because he was likable" or "people bought into his rhetoric" as the sole reasons why he was elected (TWICE), you effectively nullify your claim that merit matters. I bring you back to your previous post:

The Obama Presidency is proof that the country wasn't ready for an underqualified community organizer who was elected because of a rock star image instead of any legitimate leadership, economic, or foreign policy expertise.

... Obama isn't a failure because of his skin color, and his skin color isn't what caused him to fail.

And yet there are clear indications to illustrate that he has succeeded. Maybe not to the degree that some would like, but there have been successes all the same. It's sad that some people just don't care to take notice.

I'm not picking on you per sa. I'm merely using your above posts to illustrate how wrong so many of you are about "Black Presidential readiness" and leadership/qualification standards because if executive experience is the pathway to the presidency for a Black man in this country then we may never see another Black man in the WH for decades to come. Why? Because there have only been 5 Black governors in the history of this country and only 3 were ever elected to office. Moreover, throughout American history since the Civil War era, there have only been EIGHT African-Americans to every run for the presidency or even win presidential nomination for their party (mostly on the Democrat ticket):

- Frederick Douglas
- George Edwin Taylor
- Shirley Chisholm
- Jesse Jackson
- Al Sharpton
- Alan Keyes
- Hermin Cain
- Carol Moseley-Braun

That's it! So, for African-Americans when we see someone who's not as dubious or duplicitous as Jesse or Sharpton and instead find someone who lived a "grass-roots lifestyle" similar to many of us, someone who grew up poor, can related not only to the problems many African-Americans have experienced but is very relate-able to people of all races and shows that he has a plan that if enacted could help resolve many of the nation's problems, YES!, absolutely such an individual gets my vote. And for the record, I never voted for Jesse, Sharpton, Keyes nor Cain - the only Black presidential candidates available to me during my lifetime to date. But Obama...damned right I voted for him - TWICE! Because he was Black AND qualified and he had a plan to move this country forward that IMO was better than the rest. Not perfect, just better.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

You're right! We got Obama!

As said, you could have done worst, Romney for example, or Sarah Palin.

And Obama might be a bit of a let down, but most people would say that Bush was worse on many subjects.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

As said, you could have done worst, Romney for example, or Sarah Palin.

And Obama might be a bit of a let down, but most people would say that Bush was worse on many subjects.

And with this I of course mean the younger Bush and not the elder Bush, I reasonably like that president Bush.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I think reality has to be stretched so far to draw the conclusions you have, it's obvious what your agenda is.

I think it's despicable. But as I've written, it's just more of the same from people desperate to avoid the truth.

:peace

I have no agenda. Just discussing it with you. Do you use that word to marginalize a point? Easier than debating it I suppose.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I doubt that it helped him. As I said, the number is insignificant. There were likely as many who didn't vote for him due to his race as didn't.

Maybe. Do you think the rookie senator would have won the election if he were white? Tough question
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I have no agenda. Just discussing it with you. Do you use that word to marginalize a point? Easier than debating it I suppose.

Nothing to debate. It would appear your agenda is not as easily recognized by you as it is to those witnessing you proving it.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I like this post because it fits right into the smoke and mirrors many folks try to use to camouflage their racial bias of America's 42nd President.

You say America was ready for its first Black president, and state firmly (above) that a Black man could win the presidency on merit. Yet, when you denounce his "merits" (i.e., his community activism, his state and Federal Senatorial credentials) as if they mean far less than having "executive experience" from a govenorship and then add on other such denouncements as "he won because he was likable" or "people bought into his rhetoric" as the sole reasons why he was elected (TWICE), you effectively nullify your claim that merit matters. I bring you back to your previous post:



And yet there are clear indications to illustrate that he has succeeded. Maybe not to the degree that some would like, but there have been successes all the same. It's sad that some people just don't care to take notice.

I'm not picking on you per sa. I'm merely using your above posts to illustrate how wrong so many of you are about "Black Presidential readiness" and leadership/qualification standards because if executive experience is the pathway to the presidency for a Black man in this country then we may never see another Black man in the WH for decades to come. Why? Because there have only been 5 Black governors in the history of this country and only 3 were ever elected to office. Moreover, throughout American history since the Civil War era, there have only been EIGHT African-Americans to every run for the presidency or even win presidential nomination for their party (mostly on the Democrat ticket):

- Frederick Douglas
- George Edwin Taylor
- Shirley Chisholm
- Jesse Jackson
- Al Sharpton
- Alan Keyes
- Hermin Cain
- Carol Moseley-Braun

That's it! So, for African-Americans when we see someone who's not as dubious or duplicitous as Jesse or Sharpton and instead find someone who lived a "grass-roots lifestyle" similar to many of us, someone who grew up poor, can related not only to the problems many African-Americans have experienced but is very relate-able to people of all races and shows that he has a plan that if enacted could help resolve many of the nation's problems, YES!, absolutely such an individual gets my vote. And for the record, I never voted for Jesse, Sharpton, Keyes nor Cain - the only Black presidential candidates available to me during my lifetime to date. But Obama...damned right I voted for him - TWICE! Because he was Black AND qualified and he had a plan to move this country forward that IMO was better than the rest. Not perfect, just better.

What a freaking long winded and ridiculous post to address to me.

If you want to understand what I said, ask me. Let me try this again.

The question in the poll again:

Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

My answer was that the Obama Presidency was proof that someone who is unqualified should not be elected. And the second part of my answer was that this country is and has been ready for a black President for some time. Obama is a poor President based on his performance, and not his skin color. In other words, Obama's performance has nothing to do with the country being ready for a black President or not.

Why you wasted my time mentioning everyone from Frederick Douglas to Herman Cain, I have no idea.

If you want to have a debate about what a great President Obama is, then start a thread about it. If you want to discuss how many black governors this country has had and how you never voted for Jesse Jackson, etc., then do it, or please quote someone else in the future. Why on Earth do you think I care about who you voted for?
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

What a freaking long winded and ridiculous post to address to me.

If you want to understand what I said, ask me. Let me try this again.

The question in the poll again:

Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

My answer was that the Obama Presidency was proof that someone who is unqualified should not be elected. And the second part of my answer was that this country is and has been ready for a black President for some time. Obama is a poor President based on his performance, and not his skin color. In other words, Obama's performance has nothing to do with the country being ready for a black President or not.

Why you wasted my time mentioning everyone from Frederick Douglas to Herman Cain, I have no idea.

If you want to have a debate about what a great President Obama is, then start a thread about it. If you want to discuss how many black governors this country has had and how you never voted for Jesse Jackson, etc., then do it, or please quote someone else in the future. Why on Earth do you think I care about who you voted for?

I don't!

But you did such a great job of talking about electing someone based on their merits and executive experience I felt compelled to demonstrate to you that one doesn't necessarily equate to the other especially where Black men elected to high office particularly at the state-level is concerned. And with that, carry on. :2wave:
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

I don't!

But you did such a great job of talking about electing someone based on their merits and executive experience I felt compelled to demonstrate to you that one doesn't necessarily equate to the other especially where Black men elected to high office particularly at the state-level is concerned. And with that, carry on. :2wave:

Please stop posting to me. I can't stand reading your sniveling posts. And it isn't my fault that you forget the subject of the threads you're posting in.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Please stop posting to me. I can't stand reading your sniveling posts. And it isn't my fault that you forget the subject of the threads you're posting in.

And yet you did it anyway. Sorry if I touched a nerve. :lamo
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

As said, you could have done worst, Romney for example, or Sarah Palin.

And Obama might be a bit of a let down, but most people would say that Bush was worse on many subjects.

Palin or Romney would have been head and shoulders above Obama, because Obama wasn't just a let down, he was a total disaster.
 
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