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Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black Pres? [W:222]

Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?


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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Get over it, disdain for Obama has nothing to do with race.

That is certainly true for some, however there are indeed people for whom Obama's race is problematic.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

IF you are referring to me, I feel no need to deflect correct criticism of the President or anyone else for that matter. I think your response is designed to deflect legitimate criticism that SOME of Obama's problems as President are the result of him being black, half black if you prefer.

My, don't we feel self important. If I was specifically referring to you in the post I made, you would have been the person I was posting to. However, if you're referring to people who think like you in general, yes, I was referring to you.

Except for an inconsequential percentage of people, skin color has nothing to do with the way the President is viewed, and his policies and agenda is criticized.

"Because he is black" is just a tool the left has been trying and failing to use to silence legitimate critique and concern. This strategy is pathetic, and has done more to expose the real racism that exists among those pushing this narrative. Your own posts confirm your membership in this ridiculous group.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

My, don't we feel self important.

First of all I said IF. Next of all, do you feel so important that you think I would feel important if you were referring to me?

If I was specifically referring to you in the post I made, you would have been the person I was posting to.

I wasn't sure who you were referring to that's why I said IF.

However, if you're referring to people who think like you in general, yes, I was referring to you.

I didn't refer to anyone in general. I was speaking to you specifically. There was nothing general about it. That said, I take it to mean that you are referring to me and others who might share my view that some of Obama's problems as President stem from his race.

Except for an inconsequential percentage of people, skin color has nothing to do with the way the President is viewed, and his policies and agenda is criticized.

An "inconsequential percentage?" Is that based on data or merely a rhetorical tool to express your view that the racist component of Obama's opposition has had no effect on his presidency?

"Because he is black" is just a tool the left has been trying and failing to use to silence legitimate critique and concern. This strategy is pathetic, and has done more to expose the real racism that exists among those pushing this narrative. Your own posts confirm your membership in this ridiculous group.

Well your post here is plain wrong. I have been a very vocal critique of Obama in many instances. In fact, right here in this forum, I have acknowledged what I felt was legitimate criticism of Obama from some on the right. Furthermore, for your information, in fact, I was so fed up with him that although I never thought it possible, I considered voting Republican last time. It's just that there candidates were so sorry, I could not bring myself to do it.
 
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Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

First of all I said IF. Next of all, do you feel so important that you think I would feel important if you were referring to me?



I wasn't sure who you were referring to that's why I said IF.



I didn't refer to anyone in general. I was speaking to you specifically. There was nothing general about it. That said, I take it to mean that you are referring to me and others who might share my view that some of Obama's problems as President stem from his race.



An "inconsequential percentage?" Is that based on data or merely a rhetorical tool to express your view that the racist component of Obama's opposition has had no effect on his presidency?



Well your post here is plain wrong. I have been a very vocal critique of Obama in many instances. In fact, right here in this forum, I have acknowledged what I felt was legitimate criticism of Obama from some on the right. Furthermore, for your information, in fact, I was so fed up with him that although I never thought it possible, I considered voting Republican last time. It's just that there candidates were so sorry, I could not bring myself to do it.

The inconsequential percentage is based on data, and is reflected by the response to your poll. The "racist component" as you put it has had no effect on his Presidency despite the never ending effort to claim otherwise.

Prove it has had an effect. What has the President been unable to do because of his skin color? This skin color narrative has been substantial and pervasive since he announced his run for President, and ever since he has taken office.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

The inconsequential percentage is based on data, and is reflected by the response to your poll.

There is nothing scientific about a poll here. Do you have any data besides that?

The "racist component" as you put it has had no effect on his Presidency despite the never ending effort to claim otherwise.

But you acknowledge that the racist component is indeed there.

Prove it has had an effect. What has the President been unable to do because of his skin color?

The flaw here can be illustrated by an example. Let's suppose a man wants to go and spend one thousand dollars on a gun, but his wife does not approve and is very vocal about it. Instead of buying it right away, he waits for a year or two, buys it and stores it in secret. The wife has put up an obstruction, but she has not stopped him from buying the gun. The point is this, an effect does not NECESSARILY mean that someone is unable to do something. Rather the effect could be an obstruction.

That said, to prove that it has had an effect consider this. It is a fact that SOME on the right, appeal to the racist sentiments in whites to get votes. SOME on the left do it as well, but there is no doubt that SOME on the right do it. They do it because it is effective. On of the mechanisms that presidents refer to when the are trying to form a consensus to advance their agenda is the mandate that they have from the electorate. They base that mandate on the margin of their victory. It is a fact that there are some on the right, and on the left that voted against Obama because of his race. THAT IS FACT. As such, the mandate is eroded, thus putting up an obstacle for Obama in the advancement of his agenda. There's the proof.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

There is nothing scientific about a poll here. Do you have any data besides that?



But you acknowledge that the racist component is indeed there.



The flaw here can be illustrated by an example. Let's suppose a man wants to go and spend one thousand dollars on a gun, but his wife does not approve and is very vocal about it. Instead of buying it right away, he waits for a year or two, buys it and stores it in secret. The wife has put up an obstruction, but she has not stopped him from buying the gun. The point is this, an effect does not NECESSARILY mean that someone is unable to do something. Rather the effect could be an obstruction.

That said, to prove that it has had an effect consider this. It is a fact that SOME on the right, appeal to the racist sentiments in whites to get votes. SOME on the left do it as well, but there is no doubt that SOME on the right do it. They do it because it is effective. On of the mechanisms that presidents refer to when the are trying to form a consensus to advance their agenda is the mandate that they have from the electorate. They base that mandate on the margin of their victory. It is a fact that there are some on the right, and on the left that voted against Obama because of his race. THAT IS FACT. As such, the mandate is eroded, thus putting up an obstacle for Obama in the advancement of his agenda. There's the proof.

There are racists in the world. It would be disingenuous to claim otherwise. Do I have data to support my claim they are inconsequential? Of course. You've rejected plenty of it, so why would I expect you to accept any additional proof.

Again, tell me what the President has been unable to accomplish because of the color of his skin. Offering an analogy isn't proof, it's invention. It's injecting a racist's viewpoint into an invented narrative that has no basis in reality.

The President could be translucent, and my opinion of his policies, actions, and agenda would be the same. This truth is held out in all the data you chose to reject and ignore. That's your choice, but it doesn't change the facts.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

There are racists in the world. It would be disingenuous to claim otherwise. Do I have data to support my claim they are inconsequential? Of course. You've rejected plenty of it, so why would I expect you to accept any additional proof.

Plenty of it? All that you put forward is a poll here. I posted a poll on another topic that got over 1000 votes. Any rate there is no point in wasting my time. Good luck to you.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Not at all. When it comes to excuse making it would seem 9 out of 10 people see it is coming from people who share a similar need to try and deflect criticism of the President. With that level of consensus, what is there to debate?

If you do, you're not listening.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Plenty of it? All that you put forward is a poll here. I posted a poll on another topic that got over 1000 votes. Any rate there is no point in wasting my time. Good luck to you.

If you posted that poll in the polls sub-forum, 1000 votes is utterly meaningless. That forum is spammed incessantly, due to the fact that visitors can vote. I realize voting early and often is the liberal way, but still meaningless.
 
Re: Is the Obama Presidency proof that the U.S. is not ready for a black President?

Plenty of it? All that you put forward is a poll here. I posted a poll on another topic that got over 1000 votes. Any rate there is no point in wasting my time. Good luck to you.

Ditto to you.
 
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