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Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

Do you think Obama realized what he said?


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Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International


Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International



US President Obama stated that the United States took an active part in the February 2014 coup in Ukraine, which installed pro-Western authorities.

Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik InternationalMOSCOW, February 1 (Sputnik) The United States took an active part in the February 2014 coup in Ukraine, which installed pro-Western authorities, US President Obama told CNN Sunday."And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine — not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and [Ukraine's then-President Viktor] Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," Obama said in an interview.
Yanukovych's decision not to sign an association agreement with the European Union in late 2013 triggered a mass wave of protests across Ukraine, which culminated in the February coup. Following the February events and the rise of aggressive nationalism in the country, Crimea seceded from Ukraine and joined Russia in March 2014, following a referendum, in which 96 percent of voters were in favour of reunifying with Russia.


Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International

Do you think Obama realized what he said?
Must be he didn't respond to his own Perception Management that says the opposite?
Could the NY Times,, Washington Post, and all the Big TVs were wrong?
Will anyone ask the Times to clarify their previous propaganda?
Poll Question: Do you think Obama realized what he said?
 
When you consider all the money and effort to make much of the World think the USA had
naught to do with the Ukraine Coup, here he admits to brokering events before Yanukovych
left. Seems almost funny to me, although the CIA and all its' Goebbels trained tacticians
got a case of the ass, don't ya' think?
 
On CNN at that. The clip of that would be nice to see. Multiple links- but they have a duplication quality to them. Multiple postings of the same link - prove what?????
So where is it? The CNN link????
 
Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International


Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International



US President Obama stated that the United States took an active part in the February 2014 coup in Ukraine, which installed pro-Western authorities.

Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik InternationalMOSCOW, February 1 (Sputnik) The United States took an active part in the February 2014 coup in Ukraine, which installed pro-Western authorities, US President Obama told CNN Sunday."And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine — not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and [Ukraine's then-President Viktor] Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," Obama said in an interview.
Yanukovych's decision not to sign an association agreement with the European Union in late 2013 triggered a mass wave of protests across Ukraine, which culminated in the February coup. Following the February events and the rise of aggressive nationalism in the country, Crimea seceded from Ukraine and joined Russia in March 2014, following a referendum, in which 96 percent of voters were in favour of reunifying with Russia.


Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International

Do you think Obama realized what he said?
Must be he didn't respond to his own Perception Management that says the opposite?
Could the NY Times,, Washington Post, and all the Big TVs were wrong?
Will anyone ask the Times to clarify their previous propaganda?
Poll Question: Do you think Obama realized what he said?

It might be true that the US stage a coup in Ukraine.But a link from a Russian news site without a video will get dismissed as pro-Russian propaganda making baseless allegations. Most posters are not going to answer a poll based on what someone claims someone else allegedly said.
 
It might be true that the US stage a coup in Ukraine.But a link from a Russian news site without a video will get dismissed as pro-Russian propaganda making baseless allegations. Most posters are not going to answer a poll based on what someone claims someone else allegedly said.

Certainly no one who has been around long enough to realize just how much (bleep!) gets reported as news.

Still, if he really did say that.....

No, not likely.
 
Certainly no one who has been around long enough to realize just how much (bleep!) gets reported as news.

Still, if he really did say that.....

No, not likely.

It was in an interview with Fareez Zakarias (sic) on CNN. Check for yourself.
 
I dont care if staff at the US embessey in Kiev may or may not have given financial and logistical support to protesters!

Because it doesnt justify that the government started shooting those protesters!!!
 
Multiple links- but they have a duplication quality to them.
Sputnik International is the new Russian international multimedia news service launched in November of 2014. It follows the Russia Today (RT) television/video model of presenting the news with a Russian slant where applicable. Sputnik replaces RIA Novosti and Voice of Russia and is intended to compete with English language international media services such as Google News, CNN, and al-Jazeera, but has been a dismal failure. It is owned and operated by the Russian state media apparatus Rossiya Segodnya.

As with virtually anything relating to Ukraine, Dave Fagan utilizes conspiracy resources (Information Clearing House, Global Research, etc), Russian media, and disreputable sources.
 
P.S. This poll relies on an unverified allegation from Russian media and the poll question - Do you think Obama realized what he said? - is purposefully framed in a way that assumes the Sputnik allegation as factual.
 
Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International


Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup

Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International
Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International



US President Obama stated that the United States took an active part in the February 2014 coup in Ukraine, which installed pro-Western authorities.

Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik InternationalMOSCOW, February 1 (Sputnik) The United States took an active part in the February 2014 coup in Ukraine, which installed pro-Western authorities, US President Obama told CNN Sunday."And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine — not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and [Ukraine's then-President Viktor] Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," Obama said in an interview.
Yanukovych's decision not to sign an association agreement with the European Union in late 2013 triggered a mass wave of protests across Ukraine, which culminated in the February coup. Following the February events and the rise of aggressive nationalism in the country, Crimea seceded from Ukraine and joined Russia in March 2014, following a referendum, in which 96 percent of voters were in favour of reunifying with Russia.


Read more: Obama Admits US Role in 2014 Ukraine Coup / Sputnik International

Do you think Obama realized what he said?
Must be he didn't respond to his own Perception Management that says the opposite?
Could the NY Times,, Washington Post, and all the Big TVs were wrong?
Will anyone ask the Times to clarify their previous propaganda?
Poll Question: Do you think Obama realized what he said?

Except it wasn't a coup. .... but you know that. ...
 
It might be true that the US stage a coup in Ukraine.But a link from a Russian news site without a video will get dismissed as pro-Russian propaganda making baseless allegations. Most posters are not going to answer a poll based on what someone claims someone else allegedly said.

The Russians would never stoop so low.
There propaganda is a No, No.
 
The Russians would never stoop so low.
There propaganda is a No, No.

Propaganda exists on both sides.
 
The thought crossed my mind that historically, Russia has had a buffer state between itself and a NATO country.

The Ukraine is right up next to Russia, and if that went to NATO, it's no wonder that Putin, the cold war warrior, would react. I mean, what did you expect? No reaction? That seems to indicate a distinct lack of knowledge of history and understanding of Russia, and it's need for 'buffer' between it and the West. They have memories of the deep incursions made by the German army back from WW II.
 
On CNN at that. The clip of that would be nice to see. Multiple links- but they have a duplication quality to them. Multiple postings of the same link - prove what?????
So where is it? The CNN link????

It seems to be Russian Media. And they appear to be operating in the usual logically incoherent manner.


What they are claiming is the money quote:

"And since Mr. Putin made this decision around Crimea and Ukraine — not because of some grand strategy, but essentially because he was caught off-balance by the protests in the Maidan and [Ukraine's then-President Viktor] Yanukovych then fleeing after we had brokered a deal to transition power in Ukraine," Obama said in an interview....

This was the deal that took place after the President of Ukraine fled to the protection of his master the completely disinterested Vladimir Putin. So the US was part of figuring out how to get Ukraine back up and running as a fully legitimate government that was the result of the electoral process, and for that, apparently, we are accused of traveling backwards through time to create the crises in the first place :roll:
 
The thought crossed my mind that historically, Russia has had a buffer state between itself and a NATO country.

The Ukraine is right up next to Russia, and if that went to NATO, it's no wonder that Putin, the cold war warrior, would react. I mean, what did you expect? No reaction? That seems to indicate a distinct lack of knowledge of history and understanding of Russia, and it's need for 'buffer' between it and the West. They have memories of the deep incursions made by the German army back from WW II.

I would agree that everyone would have agreed that Russia would have attempted to influence events. I don't think you would have had many folks arguing that they would invade. Apparently Russia achieved Strategic Surprise when they went into Crimea (gosh, it's almost as if they suddenly gained a massive advantage in avoiding our SIGINT capability. I wonder where they could have gotten that?).

Regardless, Russia liking the ability to control its near abroad is not - actually - justification for invading and breaking up neighboring sovereign states.
 
I would agree that everyone would have agreed that Russia would have attempted to influence events. I don't think you would have had many folks arguing that they would invade. Apparently Russia achieved Strategic Surprise when they went into Crimea (gosh, it's almost as if they suddenly gained a massive advantage in avoiding our SIGINT capability. I wonder where they could have gotten that?).

Regardless, Russia liking the ability to control its near abroad is not - actually - justification for invading and breaking up neighboring sovereign states.

No, not a justification for Russia's actions at all, but perhaps leading to understanding it more.

If the US instigated the change in government in the Ukraine, from the NATO neutral position to a pro-NATO position, then this lack of understanding of Russia kinda instigated this Russian response, perhaps?
 
No, not a justification for Russia's actions at all, but perhaps leading to understanding it more.

:shrug: I don't know if anyone ever failed to understand that Russia seeks to control its' near abroad in order to provide buffer against foreign threat. That's just part of Russian Paranoia.

If the US instigated the change in government in the Ukraine, from the NATO neutral position to a pro-NATO position, then this lack of understanding of Russia kinda instigated this Russian response, perhaps?

....Even the Obama administration is not capable of being so blindingly incompetent as to miss that basic fact about Russia and yet so subtly competent as to actually achieve a coup against Ukraine. It's like the old accusations against the Bush Administration - that they were a bunch of idiots who had stumbled into Iraq because they were so-o-o stupid, but were also evil malevolent geniuses who were behind the 9/11 attacks and had orchestrated the WoT as part of some grand design.
 
I see and now you admit that the quote is exactly correct as regards Obama.
Certainly. There was a power-transition brokered which Yanukovych signed. See post #15.

Your shtick is to misconstrue/revise/manipulate events in order to fabricate some sort of Manichean conspiracy.
 
:shrug: I don't know if anyone ever failed to understand that Russia seeks to control its' near abroad in order to provide buffer against foreign threat. That's just part of Russian Paranoia.



....Even the Obama administration is not capable of being so blindingly incompetent as to miss that basic fact about Russia and yet so subtly competent as to actually achieve a coup against Ukraine. It's like the old accusations against the Bush Administration - that they were a bunch of idiots who had stumbled into Iraq because they were so-o-o stupid, but were also evil malevolent geniuses who were behind the 9/11 attacks and had orchestrated the WoT as part of some grand design.

I see what you are saying and inclined to agree, but there's been conspiracy theories kicking about that are claiming that the CIA had a hand in the Ukraine change in position, specifically, the scandal surrounding the NATO neutral previous prime minister. Don't know if there's anything to it or not. Seems to be a stretch.
 
No, not a justification for Russia's actions at all, but perhaps leading to understanding it more.
Russia's initial imperative was to ensure Ukraine's participation in Putin's proposed Eurasian Economic Union (EEU). The majority of Ukrainians however, wished to align with the European Union. NATO membership was nowhere on the horizon at this point. Yanukovych had promised to align with the EU and had strung everyone along (Ukrainians and the EU) on this since his election in 2010. Things came to a head when at the last moment Yanukovych refused to sign the European Union Association Agreement in Vilnius in September of 2013 and instead accepted a loan from Russia. When he reneged on his EU promise, the Maidan protests began.
 
No, not a justification for Russia's actions at all, but perhaps leading to understanding it more.

If the US instigated the change in government in the Ukraine, from the NATO neutral position to a pro-NATO position, then this lack of understanding of Russia kinda instigated this Russian response, perhaps?

Good morning, Erik. :2wave:

Ironically, it was the Crimean people themselves that started things off in that area of the world by voting to return to living under the Russian umbrella. So we didn't agree with them? Big deal! They don't care what we think. . .it's their choice after all. I believe that we did start meddling in the Ukraine as a result - whether it was the CIA or someone else is not important at this point. We did meddle. The Ukranians did vote to oust an unpopular leader, who fled back to Russia to lick his wounds, so does that mean they don't want to live under Russian rule - or does it mean they just didn't want that particular man? I don't know. We aren't being told the whole story - what else is new - so if they vote to remain independent does that mean we should come to their aid? What does the rest of the world think about what's going on?
 
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