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Jill Stein

Would You Consider A Vote For Jill Stein?

  • Only If My Preferred GOP Candidate Loses The Nomination

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Odd, I would find someone who uses the word "firearm" when discussing the 2A to be too dishonest to argue with.

that makes no sense whatsoever

I am sorry you didn't understand the point

firearms are a type of arm which is clearly protected from government restrictions by the 2A
 
that makes no sense whatsoever

I am sorry you didn't understand the point

firearms are a type of arm which is clearly protected from government restrictions by the 2A


Now you're getting somewhere (it was you who didn't understand the point). Lots of arm(ament)s have already been restricted from legal civilian ownership and use.
I'm simply confused how we ever elected anyone in the last 100 years if 2A rights are so important? At this point, why care NOW?
 
I'm sincerely amazed by the Poll turnout. I know DP members are heavily Republican and Conservative
and that is the antiehesis of Green politics. If the Poll numbers are correct, then we have a very large
participation by non-members. I would like to think that is the factual case. Both for the readership and
the participation.
 
I'm sincerely amazed by the Poll turnout. I know DP members are heavily Republican and Conservative
and that is the antiehesis of Green politics. If the Poll numbers are correct, then we have a very large
participation by non-members. I would like to think that is the factual case. Both for the readership and
the participation.

I suspect that most dems and republicans tend not to pay any attention to third parties, thus they probably have little interest in this topic, and likely never even looked at the thread. The name Jill Stein is probably unknown to most straight party voters.

Most likely, the only people who looked at this thread are people who know who Jill Stein is, and thus would tend to be favorable to Jill Stein.
 
Is that a litmus issue for you?

Yes. It's a moral issue and my most important issue, and no matter how much I like the rest of their platform, I can not and will not vote for a politician who wants to infringe further upon our gun rights.
 
Since Green party members are. by necessity, extremist lefties with a crazed environmentalist bent and could not be more opposite to the free market, free people principles of libertarianism, there are no circumstances under which I would offer any support for this candidate.

To be clear, I don't like the GOP at large because they are too accommodating of unconstitutional leftist notions like the welfare state and entitlement programs. The LP is an uncompromising rightist party.

I do not understand how anyone could waver between a libertarian and the literal opposite of a libertarian, unless they were only voting on superficial matters irrelevant to the issue stances the candidates hold.
 
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where do Greens and the Dem leadership actually differ other than on magnitude


she's a gun banner-so is Obama
She's a tax hiker-so is Obama
she wants to get rid of coal-so does Obama


etc

We ALL should want to get rid of coal.
 
Her positions are not shared by most Americans, that I'll tell ya confidently.
But then, the Green party's "eco-socialism" shouldn't be taken seriously, should it?

The platforms of most third parties are not shared by most Americans, that's why they keep losing pathetically.
 
Since Green party members are. by necessity, extremist lefties with a crazed environmentalist bent and could not be more opposite to the free market, free people principles of libertarianism, there are no circumstances under which I would offer any support for this candidate.

I do not understand how anyone could waver between a libertarian and the literal opposite of a libertarian, unless they were only voting on superficial matters irrelevant to the issue stances the candidates hold.

This only poses an issue when people confuse any platform with free market fundamentalism.
 
The platforms of most third parties are not shared by most Americans, that's why they keep losing pathetically.

I think most people are not aware of third party stances because they don't own a mega phone.
 
I think most people are not aware of third party stances because they don't own a mega phone.

If third parties appealed to a goodly number of Americans, they'd get more money in donations and therefore, could buy a megaphone. That they cannot shows that nobody want to give them money.
 
The poll results are so full of crap. :lol:
 
This only poses an issue when people confuse any platform with free market fundamentalism.

It's hard to confuse actually respecting the human right to property and individual liberty versus being a collectivist authoritarian (but I repeat myself) who does not.
 
If third parties appealed to a goodly number of Americans, they'd get more money in donations and therefore, could buy a megaphone. That they cannot shows that nobody want to give them money.

Let's be perfectly honest. Most money from the Dem or Rep party comes from deep pockets and not from grass roots initiatives.
 
It's hard to confuse actually respecting the human right to property and individual liberty versus being a collectivist authoritarian (but I repeat myself) who does not.

I see you are throwing terms around. Please explain collectivist authoritarian and how it applies to any Green Party platform. TIA
 
Let's be perfectly honest. Most money from the Dem or Rep party comes from deep pockets and not from grass roots initiatives.

And where are the deep pockets that support third parties? They don't exist? Because the platforms do not attract such deep pocket supporters. You really can't spin it any other way, you're just making excuses.
 
And where are the deep pockets that support third parties? They don't exist? Because the platforms do not attract such deep pocket supporters. You really can't spin it any other way, you're just making excuses.

I'm glad they are not supported by deep pockets and are mostly supported by grass root initiatives. That speaks volumes for who they support.
 
I'm glad they are not supported by deep pockets and are mostly supported by grass root initiatives. That speaks volumes for who they support.

It also means they have no shot in hell of ever getting elected.
 
Of course I will. The only way I would cast my vote for her, is if their is some strong movement for her campaign like Nader had in 2000.
 
Sadly, I agree. It also illustrates how corrupt our political system is because it has been hijack by the highest bidders.

Politics is inherently a popularity contest. You support someone who isn't popular. You shouldn't be surprised that she will never win, she has nothing in her platform that would make people vote for her, even if they knew everything about her. Welcome to reality.
 
Since Green party members are. by necessity, extremist lefties with a crazed environmentalist bent and could not be more opposite to the free market, free people principles of libertarianism, there are no circumstances under which I would offer any support for this candidate.

To be clear, I don't like the GOP at large because they are too accommodating of unconstitutional leftist notions like the welfare state and entitlement programs. The LP is an uncompromising rightist party.

I do not understand how anyone could waver between a libertarian and the literal opposite of a libertarian, unless they were only voting on superficial matters irrelevant to the issue stances the candidates hold.

Well here I am, wavering. So get over yourself.
 
I'm a Green, so this post sucked me in like a black hole. I would definitely vote for Jill Stein. I will do
whatever is necessary to build a viable third party to make people realize that if they keep voting for a
two-headed coin of Dems/Pepubs, they will keep getting the same thing. What more needs to be said?

I agree with you. In 5 of the last 6 presidential election I voted third party. To use the Obama motto from 2008, hope and change. If you want hope and change you will vote for a third party candidate of your choice. If you want business as usual, vote either Republican or Democrat.

A saying I can't remember who said it goes. In the United States you have only one political party, but it has two wings. A Republican wing and a Democratic wing.
 
Politics is inherently a popularity contest. You support someone who isn't popular. You shouldn't be surprised that she will never win, she has nothing in her platform that would make people vote for her, even if they knew everything about her. Welcome to reality.

Money has so much to do with that popularity. One cannot expect a third party candidate to win when the Republican candidate spends a billion dollars, the Democratic candidate spends a billion dollars and all you have to spend is 3 million, ala Gary Johnson in 2012. When corporations, lobbyist, wall street firms, special interests, big money donors shell out millions, tens of millions of dollars to the two major parties, that just shows you which parties have been bought and paid for.
 
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