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Is the Democratic Party Marxist?[W:23]

Is the Democratic Party communist?

  • Yes, the 10 pillars of communism align with the core beliefs of the dems

    Votes: 5 33.3%

  • No, they might be similar but there are minor differences

    Votes: 10 66.7%
  • Total voters
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Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

SouthernDemocrat said:
The problem with your argument is that lets say the entire DNC national platform were enacted. The country would not become a Marxist nation as a result of that. It would not even become anything close to a Marxist nation as a result of that. At most we would look a little more like Canada - a nation that still has private property, privately owned businesses, markets and so on.
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That's where you're wrong. We would be straight up communists. The reason being, the dems push us further and further in that direction every time they win an election. And as the country moves further to the left.... so do they!

Like a pair of cement shoes, they're always dragging us down.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Papa bull said:
Their philosophy is more Marxist than anything else but it's not "pure" Marxism, mostly because "pure" Marxism has a very well deserved bad reputation. It's not red but some shade of pink; hence the very appropriate classification: "pinko".

The literature and philosophy of the Communist Party USA (cpusa.org) is so similar to that of democrats that I wonder why they're separate parties. I think that it's because democrats are too embarrassed to admit they're Marxists. Or, maybe even more likely, Marxists are too embarrassed to admit they're democrats.
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Correct. I wonder why we can see it, but the Dems continue to deny it. If you're gonna have communist leanings, just admit that you're a communist. Don't try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
 
Kobie said:
This entire thread is utterly absurd. Your premise is breathtakingly stupid and chock full of inaccuracies, distortions and flat-out lies.

0/10.
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What I really want to know is why are so many Dems in denial about what they are? Do you think you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes? If you're gonna be a communist, be a communist loud and proud.
 
Peter Grimm said:
What I really want to know is why are so many Dems in denial about what they are? Do you think you can pull the wool over everyone's eyes? If you're gonna be a communist, be a communist loud and proud.
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Well, wasn't sure if you'd double down on the falsehoods, but you managed.
 
Kobie said:
Well, wasn't sure if you'd double down on the falsehoods, but you managed.
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I mean, the poll is running at 50/50 right now, so clearly about half the people on this forum think the dems are communists. That's a public opinion poll. And the kicker is... 75% of this site's members AT LEAST are liberals.
 
Peter Grimm said:
LMAO. The Communist Manifesto isn't a blog,
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Did I claim it was a blog? No.

it's a book written by Karl Marx over a hundred years ago.
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No way man!

That's where I got the list from,
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Sure you did. What page can this "10 pillars" be found in the manifesto? Because it seems like your list is from here The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx Just so happens to be in the exact order... Coincidence?

you self-proclaimed "socialist."
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Thank you for reinforcing that I am in fact a socialist.

Learn a thing or two about your own belief system, my goodness.
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Well one I'm not a c(C)ommunist, nor am I a marxian socialist.


You're like a Christian who doesn't know what the Bible is. Now I've heard it all.
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I mean, you literally just ranted about something with out any factual resources sooo yea...
 
Another "no vote"
Why ?
I will not be controlled .
Your poll is silly and biased ..
 
Peter Grimm said:
I mean, the poll is running at 50/50 right now, so clearly about half the people on this forum think the dems are communists. That's a public opinion poll. And the kicker is... 75% of this site's members AT LEAST are liberals.
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1. You do realize that non-members can vote in the polls section, multiple times?
2. You do realize there is nothing scientific about the poll?

Where on earth are you getting 75 percent from?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Sure you did. What page can this "10 pillars" be found in the manifesto?
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At the end of the second section, Proletarians and Communists. Word for word.

On topic, the Democratic Party espouses a watered-down version of Marxism. It takes inspirations from the ideology's core tenets, just as all forms of progressivism do. Its class-warfare rhetoric is undeniably Marxist in origin. However some of the party's policies have been compromised from where dedicated Marxists would like them. I'd also wager that the race/feminist theory that comes out of the Dems' far left faction is purely Marxist. It even has momentum in the "moderate" echelons of the party.

The Democrats have worked to implement most of the original planks of communism. That's a fact. An uncomfortable fact, but a fact nonetheless. What's also a fact is that the Dems are collectivists and for big government, at essence.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

shrubnose said:
I took a quick look at your poll.

It sucks and I won't be voting. :roll:
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Yeah....look at the choices.

Either totally communist.

Or almost communist with a few minor differences.

Poll: Is the Democratic Party communist?


Yes, the 10 pillars of communism align with the core beliefs of the dems
No, they might be similar but there are minor differences
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Cavendish said:
At the end of the second section, Proletarians and Communists. Word for word.

On topic, the Democratic Party espouses a watered-down version of Marxism. It takes inspirations from the ideology's core tenets, just as all forms of progressivism do. Its class-warfare rhetoric is undeniably Marxist in origin. However some of the party's policies have been compromised from where dedicated Marxists would like them. I'd also wager that the race/feminist theory that comes out of the Dems' far left faction is purely Marxist. It even has momentum in the "moderate" echelons of the party.

The Democrats have worked to implement most of the original planks of communism. That's a fact. An uncomfortable fact, but a fact nonetheless. What's also a fact is that the Dems are collectivists and for big government, at essence.
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Yep. So are the Republicans. They're both in the same business, the government business, and both want to increase the business. Hell, Dubya created a whole new Department, with umpteen new bureaucrats and a horde of new employees.
 
Grand Mal said:
Yep. So are the Republicans. They're both in the same business, the government business, and both want to increase the business. Hell, Dubya created a whole new Department, with umpteen new bureaucrats and a horde of new employees.
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I agree with ya. The neocons love big government. The movement was founded by ex-Trotskyists after all. Adherents of republican principles and the Founders, however, do not.
 
Peter Grimm said:
I present you the 10 pillars of communism, as outlined by Karl Marx himself in The Communist Manifesto. As you can see, these are pretty much the talking points of the Democratic Party in the United States today.


1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.



This list could have come right out of President Obama's state of the union speech. What do you think, is the modern Democratic Party very closely aligned with the core beliefs of communism or what?
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Perhaps in rhetoric, but the Democratic Party gets their money from the corporate and wall street elitist that the Republicans do. They like the Republicans have to take care of their big money donors with perks and legislation. Only in rhetoric are the two parties different. Both are business as usual parties.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Sure you did. What page can this "10 pillars" be found in the manifesto? Because it seems like your list is from here The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx Just so happens to be in the exact order... Coincidence?
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LMAO check the section "Proletarians and Communists." That's where you're gonna find it. You're welcome for educating you on your own political ideology.

Tell me something, what drew you to socialism? Did it seem like a cool thing to claim, or what's the story? Legit interest.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
That's where you're wrong. We would be straight up communists. The reason being, the dems push us further and further in that direction every time they win an election. And as the country moves further to the left.... so do they!

Like a pair of cement shoes, they're always dragging us down.
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The democrats might be a whole lot of things, communists they are not.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
That's where you're wrong. We would be straight up communists. The reason being, the dems push us further and further in that direction every time they win an election. And as the country moves further to the left.... so do they!

Like a pair of cement shoes, they're always dragging us down.
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Do you honestly believe this crap?
 
Cavendish said:
At the end of the second section, Proletarians and Communists. Word for word.

On topic, the Democratic Party espouses a watered-down version of Marxism. It takes inspirations from the ideology's core tenets, just as all forms of progressivism do. Its class-warfare rhetoric is undeniably Marxist in origin. However some of the party's policies have been compromised from where dedicated Marxists would like them. I'd also wager that the race/feminist theory that comes out of the Dems' far left faction is purely Marxist. It even has momentum in the "moderate" echelons of the party.

The Democrats have worked to implement most of the original planks of communism. That's a fact. An uncomfortable fact, but a fact nonetheless. What's also a fact is that the Dems are collectivists and for big government, at essence.
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Thank you sir, and you are spot on. It's amusing to me that so-called "socialists" aren't even familiar with the communist manifesto. That's like a conservative who has never read the constitution.

Every democrat should read the communist manifesto so that they can be familiar with the underpinnings of their ideology and at least speak intelligently about it. Just as, every conservative American should read the constitution so that they can similarly be intellectually armed with the work that underpins their ideology.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

SouthernDemocrat said:
Do you honestly believe this crap?
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Look at JFK's platform. If you take what he says line for line, he would be considered a Republican by today's standards. But he was a Democrat during his time. That's because the Democratic Party has shifted to the left.

There used to be people in the United States who were openly communist. They mostly fomented their ideology in labor unions and schools. After the Cold War started and the big red scare, these people went underground. Now, the labor unions and schools veer heavily "democrat," in fact they form the backbone of the democratic party, steering it constantly to the left.... but never so much at one time to where the communist-weary public might turn on them.
 
Kobie said:
Well, wasn't sure if you'd double down on the falsehoods, but you managed.
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Gotta be trolling. Gotta be. No one could be that wrong, that loud without trying to be.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter King said:
The democrats might be a whole lot of things, communists they are not.
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Europe is full of communists. Let's stick to what you know. In the United States, the communists have to "soften" their agenda because the American Public would never accept outright Soviet-style communism. But the core belief is still there, underpinning the Democratic Party. In Western Europe, the idea of communism is not as taboo, therefore you have more open socialism.

Don't think for a minute, though, that if Nancy Pelosi had her way, America wouldn't move far to the left of even Europe.
 
Grand Mal said:
Gotta be trolling. Gotta be. No one could be that wrong, that loud without trying to be.
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What can I tell you, the poll is at 50/50.

Maybe, being that you're Canadian, you don't have your finger on the pulse of American politics quite as well as you do your own domestic situation, however quite a few Americans feel that the Democratic Party is, in fact, communist at its roots.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
Europe is full of communists. Let's stick to what you know. In the United States, the communists have to "soften" their agenda because the American Public would never accept outright Soviet-style communism. But the core belief is still there, underpinning the Democratic Party. In Western Europe, the idea of communism is not as taboo, therefore you have more open socialism.

Don't think for a minute, though, that if Nancy Pelosi had her way, America wouldn't move far to the left of even Europe.
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As a person known with communists there is nobody better suited to compare the idiotic commies in Europe with the Democrats, and there is no comparison. Democrats are capitalists and communists are anything but capitalist.

The core belief of democrats is capitalism, the core values are American values not commie values.

Any true communist would throw up if they would have to support the agenda of the democratic party.

And we have more open socialism is largely due to political systems with more than 2 political parties.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter King said:
As a person known with communists there is nobody better suited to compare the idiotic commies in Europe with the Democrats, and there is no comparison. Democrats are capitalists and communists are anything but capitalist.

The core belief of democrats is capitalism, the core values are American values not commie values.

Any true communist would throw up if they would have to support the agenda of the democratic party.

And we have more open socialism is largely due to political systems with more than 2 political parties.
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The fact that you have more than two political parties means that the communists can come right out and say they are communist, whereas in the United States, they have to assimilate and hide within the Democratic Party and drive the agenda from the inside. The political landscape is such that they have to be more covert, whereas in Europe they can be more overt.

However, the Democratic platform is basically a watered down, softer, more America-friendly version of the 10 pillars as outlined in the communist manifesto.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
Look at JFK's platform. If you take what he says line for line, he would be considered a Republican by today's standards. But he was a Democrat during his time. That's because the Democratic Party has shifted to the left.

There used to be people in the United States who were openly communist. They mostly fomented their ideology in labor unions and schools. After the Cold War started and the big red scare, these people went underground. Now, the labor unions and schools veer heavily "democrat," in fact they form the backbone of the democratic party, steering it constantly to the left.... but never so much at one time to where the communist-weary public might turn on them.
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Ok first off, JFK had the top marginal income tax rate at over 70%. He reduced that marginal rate from over 90% to 72% because the war debt was largely paid off and his economic advisors were actually concerned that the government was collecting so much money that it would never be able to spend it and thus it would end up slowing the velocity of money in the economy. Moreover, government involvement banking and financial markets was far more extensive under JFK than it is today. JFK was also more pro-labor than any Democrat in power today or in the last 20 years or more for that matter. The inflation adjusted minimum wage under JFK was considerably higher than it is today. If you think JFK would be considered a Republican today you are delusional. On fiscal issues he is far, far to the left of any Democrat today.
 
Re: Is the Democratic Party Marxist?

Peter Grimm said:
The fact that you have more than two political parties means that the communists can come right out and say they are communist, whereas in the United States, they have to assimilate and hide within the Democratic Party and drive the agenda from the inside. The political landscape is such that they have to be more covert, whereas in Europe they can be more overt.

However, the Democratic platform is basically a watered down, softer, more America-friendly version of the 10 pillars as outlined in the communist manifesto.
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Just because there might be a few commies inside of the democratic party does not make their views or their policies communist. Just like the extreme right does not make all of the republican party extremist.
 
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