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Debate Politics change in political lean?

Should we add "slightly Republican" to the political lean on Debate Politics?

  • Yes we should, not all Republicans are conservative

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • No, I consider all Republicans, conservatives

    Votes: 6 35.3%

  • The new Call of Duty is horrible. I liked Call of Duty Ghosts better.

    Votes: 7 41.2%
  • Total voters
    17
Cephus said:
"Republicanism" has virtually nothing to do with conservatism today, it's all neo-con nonsense that is a lot closer to hyper-religious liberalism than anything remotely resembling being conservative.
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I meant the literal definition of the word Republican, not it's translation into today's meaning.
 
11Bravo said:
I meant the literal definition of the word Republican, not it's translation into today's meaning.
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Nobody would understand what you were saying anyhow. These are labels, nobody uses the same label the same way. It's supposed to be a snapshot, not an exact description. If you want to know what someone actually believes, you have to ask.
 
Cephus said:
Nobody would understand what you were saying anyhow. These are labels, nobody uses the same label the same way. It's supposed to be a snapshot, not an exact description. If you want to know what someone actually believes, you have to ask.
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Fair enough. Except the liberals believe that because mine says "slightly conservative", that I'm some Bush loving, god fearing, anti- gay commenter.

When the only thing i'm really conservative on is 2 aspects of our economy.
 
11Bravo said:
Fair enough. Except the liberals believe that because mine says "slightly conservative", that I'm some Bush loving, god fearing, anti- gay commenter.

When the only thing I'm really conservative on is 2 aspects of our economy.
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Best not to put anything.
Let your posts speak for you.
Some members intentionally make silly selections.
"Lean" selection is too prone to whimsy.
There's a member on this very thread who states a Lean that's utterly preposterous ... but to them it might be true.
 
I'd like to see the conservative liberal option to check. Or purple dog.
 
matchlight said:
Since President Eisenhower first took office in 1953 and began accepting New Deal policies as a fait accompli, I'm not sure what it has meant to be a "traditional Republican." Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan, in their rejection of an ever-larger federal government, had views more like Republican Presidents before FDR.
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Did the size of our government decline when Ronald Reagan was POTUS?
 
11Bravo said:
Fair enough. Except the liberals believe that because mine says "slightly conservative", that I'm some Bush loving, god fearing, anti- gay commenter.

When the only thing i'm really conservative on is 2 aspects of our economy.
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Everything's relative. Keep in mind US political lean may be further left or right of international leans of the same name.
 
11Bravo said:
Fair enough. Except the liberals believe that because mine says "slightly conservative", that I'm some Bush loving, god fearing, anti- gay commenter.

When the only thing i'm really conservative on is 2 aspects of our economy.
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Can I assume you were an infantryman in the Army? Or are you still?
 
11Bravo said:
Fair enough. Except the liberals believe that because mine says "slightly conservative", that I'm some Bush loving, god fearing, anti- gay commenter.

When the only thing i'm really conservative on is 2 aspects of our economy.
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I'm "slightly conservative" and nobody thinks that about me. If they do, they're an idiot. Why worry about idiots?
 
radcen said:
People should get to know a person, absolutely. Leans for many are just that, leans. They're not all-inclusive pigeon-holed descriptions carved in stone.

On the flip side, though, I have seen some here who choose a lean and, after interacting with them for awhile, notice they're either trying to kid me or they're kidding themselves.

Then there's a few who seem to change leans more often than they change their underwear.



I no longer buy that, in hindsight.
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Really? Do you think Ronald Reagan was a closet statist--that he in fact wanted a larger federal government? If so, it's odd that he would have his whole career lying about that, when there was no reason whatever for him to hide his real political philosophy.
 
matchlight said:
Really? Do you think Ronald Reagan was a closet statist--that he in fact wanted a larger federal government? If so, it's odd that he would have his whole career lying about that, when there was no reason whatever for him to hide his real political philosophy.
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Everyone wants a bigger government, we all just differ on which parts we want bigger.
 
Cephus said:
Lots of us are Goldwater-conservatives, we see no need to adopt "new conservative" views, in fact, we see them as destructive and non-conservative in scope. But most people in the modern world who have no memory beyond last Thursday, they don't even remember who Barry Goldwater was.
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If the collectivist dim bulbs in the lumpenproletariat were taught anything about Goldwater in the course of their indoctrination in political correctness in public schools, odds on it was that he was a fascist warmonger who hated black people and wanted to nuke innocent little girls, as they sat outside picking daisies.
 
matchlight said:
If the collectivist dim bulbs in the lumpenproletariat were taught anything about Goldwater in the course of their indoctrination in political correctness in public schools, odds on it was that he was a fascist warmonger who hated black people and wanted to nuke innocent little girls, as they sat outside picking daisies.
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Most people remember Goldwater as the guy who lost to LBJ.
 
Unrepresented said:
Everyone wants a bigger government, we all just differ on which parts we want bigger.
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If by "government" you mean the government of the U.S., of course that is not true. I would like to see a far smaller and less powerful federal government, much more like the one our Constitution designs and authorizes. Part of the reason collectivists resent this country, even while they choose to take up space in it, is that its Constitution does not authorize the centralized control of the economy they want. Their solution, like Mr. Obama's, is just to ignore the Constitution and have increasingly lawless government.
 
matchlight said:
If by "government" you mean the government of the U.S., of course that is not true. I would like to see a far smaller and less powerful federal government, much more like the one our Constitution designs and authorizes. Part of the reason collectivists resent this country, even while they choose to take up space in it, is that its Constitution does not authorize the centralized control of the economy they want. Their solution, like Mr. Obama's, is just to ignore the Constitution and have increasingly lawless government.
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Necessity will always dictate the expansion of government.
 
matchlight said:
If by "government" you mean the government of the U.S., of course that is not true. I would like to see a far smaller and less powerful federal government, much more like the one our Constitution designs and authorizes. Part of the reason collectivists resent this country, even while they choose to take up space in it, is that its Constitution does not authorize the centralized control of the economy they want. Their solution, like Mr. Obama's, is just to ignore the Constitution and have increasingly lawless government.
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Overall, sure, you're advocating for a smaller government, but I suspect that (like everyone) there are specific tasks you'd prefer the government to increase its presence in.
 
Unrepresented said:
Overall, sure, you're advocating for a smaller government, but I suspect that (like everyone) there are specific tasks you'd prefer the government to increase its presence in.
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You suspect wrong. I am part of that everyone, and there is nothing whatever I want more federal involvement in. You should speak for yourself, and not presume to tell other people what they want.
 
matchlight said:
You suspect wrong. I am part of that everyone, and there is nothing whatever I want more federal involvement in. You should speak for yourself, and not presume to tell other people what they want.
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You don't want increased border protection?
 
11Bravo said:
When filling out my Bio, I wanted to list my accurate political lean. I am not slightly conservative, but I am more Republican than a centrist. Political tests put me at "right-leaning centrist". However, my right-leaning views aren't really conservative, more general Republicanism. I'm a social liberal too.

What do you guys think? Could we add the choice "slightly Republican"?
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If you're a centrist, just leave it blank. Being slightly republican is like being a little pregnant.
 
Cephus said:
I'm "slightly conservative" and nobody thinks that about me. If they do, they're an idiot. Why worry about idiots?
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I guess you're right
 
imagep said:
Can I assume you were an infantryman in the Army? Or are you still?
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Yes, I was an infantryman in the Army National Guard, also reclass to Intelligence (35 MIKE)
 
BrewerBob said:
I'm not sur political parties should be considered leans. That said, I think it should be a text field where people can type what they want.
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I like that idea a lot. I wanted to identify myself as a 'classical liberal' which is what I am ideologically, but there is not that option. Libertarian - right is the closest to that on the options offered but it really misrepresents who and what I am and creates misunderstandings among those who choose to characterize me via political leanings. Most conservatives consider me socially liberal and most Libertarians consider me socially conservative. :)
 
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