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Muslim reaction to Charlie Hebdo terrorism [W:176]

What will happen of 'moderate' muslims?

  • This is only the beginning. Muslims will turn to violence

    Votes: 4 15.4%
  • This in a minority of the muslim population, all muslims don't agree with them

    Votes: 17 65.4%
  • This is a minority of muslims now, but most will join these muslims in arms in due time

    Votes: 5 19.2%

  • Total voters
    26
Moderate Muslim is a western term, no more no less.

How so? I'm pretty sure Muslims all over the world distinguish themselves between liberal/conservative, moderate/extreme.
 
How so? I'm pretty sure Muslims all over the world distinguish themselves between liberal/conservative, moderate/extreme.

Moderate Muslim is a term the west devised to describe Muslim who don't kill in the name of Islam. Sorry this makes you uncomfortable.
 
Moderate Muslim is a term the west devised to describe Muslim who don't kill in the name of Islam. Sorry this makes you uncomfortable.

It wouldn't surprise me if the West came up with the term "moderate Muslim." What is your point?
 
Interview With a Muslim | Religion Dispatches

I don't recall such a cry for condemnation towards Anders Breivik, for Eliot Rodger, for the NAACP bombing 24 hours before the Paris attacks. A non-muslim performs an act of terror and it's an unfortunate manifestation of societies failings to address issues such as mental health. Both these attacks and the Paris ones are absolutely terrible. Most muslims would agree, but collective guilt is not justifiable. The homogenization of islam that is occurring in our media and amongst us needs to stop.
Hyperbole
 
Hyperbole

What part?

The part where there was no outcry for far righters to apologize for the acts of Breivik, or for young men to apologize for Rodgers?

Or that the homogenization of Islam is exaggerated? Despite the fact that it encompasses over a billion people of all races?
 
What part?

The part where there was no outcry for far righters to apologize for the acts of Breivik, or for young men to apologize for Rodgers?

Or that the homogenization of Islam is exaggerated? Despite the fact that it encompasses over a billion people of all races?
Both.
 

Oh! I must say I wasn't aware of the outcry calling on far righters to apologize for Breivik, or for young men to apologize for Rodger. I certainly wasn't asked to. Please do show me where that outcry was and how comparable it was to the current outcry for muslims to apologize for these killings and I'll consider myself corrected.
 
1. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations:

“We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech, even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures. The proper response to such attacks on the freedoms we hold dear is not to vilify any faith, but instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create or widen societal divisions.

We offer sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of those killed or injured in this attack. We also call for the swift apprehension of the perpetrators, who should be punished to the full extent of the law.”

2. Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA Spokesperson Qasim:

“When we study Islam, we see clearly that the Quran condemns this kind of violence categorically. That Prophet Muhammad said that a Muslim is one from whom all others are safe…. This is not about religion. This is about political power, this is about uneducated, ignorant youth who are being manipulated by clerics and extremists. And this is why it’s all the more important for us, as the moderates, regardless of faith, to stay united and combat this.”

3. Muslim Council of Britain:

“The Muslim Council of Britain condemns this attack. Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life….”

Dr Shuja Shafi, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain said: “Nothing justifies the taking of life. Those who have killed in the name of our religion today claim to be avenging the insults made against Prophet Muhammad, upon whom be peace. But nothing is more immoral, offensive and insulting against our beloved Prophet than such a callous act of murder. Our thoughts, prayers and solidarity go to the families of the victims and the people of France.”

4. French Muslim Council (CFCM):

“This extremely grave barbaric action is also an attack against democracy and the freedom of the press.” It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.”

5. Union of Islamic Organizations of France (UOIF):

“The UOIF condemns in the strongest terms possible these criminal attacks and horrible deaths. The UOIF offers its condolences to the families and all employees of Charlie Hebdo.”

So in your opinion, when will the 1.3 BILLION muslims take action against the .0010% of extremists? Numbers don't lie. 1.3 BILLION muslims could really do a number on the 30,000 ISIS.
 
Oh! I must say I wasn't aware of the outcry calling on far righters to apologize for Breivik, or for young men to apologize for Rodger. I certainly wasn't asked to. Please do show me where that outcry was and how comparable it was to the current outcry for muslims to apologize for these killings and I'll consider myself corrected.

Apples and oranges. But please continue with your hyperbole.
 
So in your opinion, when will the 1.3 BILLION muslims take action against the .0010% of extremists? Numbers don't lie. 1.3 BILLION muslims could really do a number on the 30,000 ISIS.

Yep. That would be a grand idea. Start taking care of their own outlaws.
 
Is that Liberalese for, "I don't have an argument, so I'll make a personal attack"?

How can one counter a claim when the claim cannot be understood? Clean up your grammar.
 
So in your opinion, when will the 1.3 BILLION muslims take action against the .0010% of extremists? Numbers don't lie. 1.3 BILLION muslims could really do a number on the 30,000 ISIS.

Who said they aren't taking action? Moderates and radicals are fighting each other every day.
 
Is that Liberalese for, "I don't have an argument, so I'll make a personal attack"?

No, I think he has a point, let's look at it again:

Why isn't that 99.9% outraged at but jobs committing murder in the name of Islam?

On what planet is this anywhere near a legible response? I don't even know what you're trying to say. Jobs are committing murder in the name of Islam and 99.9% aren't outraged? Huh? Whose jobs are committing murder?
 
10 killed, churches torched in protests over Charlie Hebdo - CNN.com

This is the reaction of the muslim community. Not ISIS, and not Al Qaeda. Muslim communities in Niger decided to ralley against Christians. The non-religious satire news outlet's published material caused muslims to attack innocent Christians.

This sparks another debate, are there moderate muslims? Is this only the beginning of the muslim reaction? I am not speaking of Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban..etc. I am talking about situations like this, where it's regular muslim communities attacking Christians.

What did the Christian people have to do with this? What will be done to stop them?

Are there moderate Muslims? What is the Muslim population of the US? How many Christain Churches in the US have been burned in response to Charlie?
 
No, I think he has a point, let's look at it again:

On what planet is this anywhere near a legible response? I don't even know what you're trying to say. Jobs are committing murder in the name of Islam and 99.9% aren't outraged? Huh? Whose jobs are committing murder?

Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs' army of ghosts is killing people in the name of Islam. 99.9% of people are not outraged.
 
Are there moderate Muslims? What is the Muslim population of the US? How many Christain Churches in the US have been burned in response to Charlie?

Is islam a religion or should we reconsider putting it in the 'religion' category?
 
Is islam a religion or should we reconsider putting it in the 'religion' category?

I don't know, you're the one who asked if there are moderate Muslims, I just asked how many Muslims are in America and how many Churches they burned down in protest against Charlie.
 
I don't know, you're the one who asked if there are moderate Muslims, I just asked how many Muslims are in America and how many Churches they burned down in protest against Charlie.

I don't know, I have not heard of them. Is burning down a church in protest against Charlie the only way that makes them not moderate? There's no other way?
 
I don't know, I have not heard of them. Is burning down a church in protest against Charlie the only way that makes them not moderate? There's no other way?

You seemed to imply that these Church burnings indicate there are no moderate Muslims. So if there aren't Muslims burning down property and killing folk, would they not be moderate? Or are you simply trying to engineer the argument so that you can say there are no moderates?
 
You seemed to imply that these Church burnings indicate there are no moderate Muslims. So if there aren't Muslims burning down property and killing folk, would they not be moderate? Or are you simply trying to engineer the argument so that you can say there are no moderates?

It's not really an argument. I mean, if there were enough moderate muslims, there wouldn't be islamic terrorism. It would have been crushed by the billions of moderates of muslims.

But no, it's just happening.
 
It's not really an argument. I mean, if there were enough moderate muslims, there wouldn't be islamic terrorism. It would have been crushed by the billions of moderates of muslims.

But no, it's just happening.

So isolated cases of maybe Christian terrorists would mean there are no moderate Christians?
 
So isolated cases of maybe Christian terrorists would mean there are no moderate Christians?

Isolated? There's a suicide bombing in the name of allah every day. Women kidnapped by the hundreds, in the name of allah. Villages slaughtered in the name of allah.

How many in the name of Jesus Christ?

Your argument is weak at best. There's no comparison to the destruction Islam is producing right now than any real religion.
 
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