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Muslim reaction to Charlie Hebdo terrorism [W:176]

What will happen of 'moderate' muslims?

  • This is only the beginning. Muslims will turn to violence

    Votes: 4 15.4%

  • This in a minority of the muslim population, all muslims don't agree with them

    Votes: 17 65.4%

  • This is a minority of muslims now, but most will join these muslims in arms in due time

    Votes: 5 19.2%
  • Total voters
    26
11Bravo said:
This sparks another debate, are there moderate muslims?
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Malala Yousafzai (Malālah Yūsafzay, Pashto: ملاله یوسفزۍ‎ [məˈlaːlə jusəf ˈzəj];[1] born 12 July 1997)[2][3] is a Pakistani activist for female education and the youngest-ever Nobel Prize laureate.[4] She is known mainly for human rights advocacy for education and for women in her native Swat Valley in the Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of northwest Pakistan, where the local Taliban had at times banned girls from attending school. Yousafzai's advocacy has since grown into an international movement.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai
 
11Bravo said:
I'm glad there's at least one out there
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While religious extremism that endorses a perverse worldview on civil liberties is unfortunately common among Muslims today, it's important to remember that humans in general, wherever they are, a)want to be free to pursue their dreams and a life of their own choosing and, b)want to avoid pain and suffering. It is unfortunately also quite human to oppose those things for other people. Wherever you find one, you will find the other.
 
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Cardinal said:
While religious extremism that endorses a perverse worldview on civil liberties is unfortunately common among Muslims today, it's important to remember that humans in general, wherever they are, a)want to be free to pursue their dreams and a life of their own choosing and, b)want to avoid pain and suffering. It is unfortunately also quite human to oppose those things for other people. Wherever you find one, you will find the other.
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Guess I can't argue with you there
 
Geoist said:
Is this a rhetorical question or are you being serious. Yes, there are moderate Muslims. They are the 99.9% who don't make the news.
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Why isn't that 99.9% outraged at but jobs committing murder in the name of Islam?
 
Grand Mal said:
Do your own damn research.
Threads like this are only started to allow lowbrow juveniles to indulge in a hatefest and feel like there's no legitimate way to challenge them. If I disagree, I'm on the side of the terrorists, 'soft' on Muslims. Every new rightard who signs up here will eventually start a variation of this thread and it soon fills up with the same posters chanting the same mantras. It's gotten old, know what I mean?
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Christians, Jews, Buddhists and Hindu's... which of these religions is oppressing women from wearing what they want, from driving cars, from getting an education? Which is stoning women to death, executing gay people, cutting the hands off of thieves? Which is engaging in terror attacks around the world, suicide bombings and kidnapping whole schools of children?

Sure, there are a lot of great Muslims... but it is not because of Islam. It is because they are free from most of Islam as a culture. When Islam is the culture it is horrible. When Muslims can live in the West, for the great majority... it is positive.
 
Geoist said:
Is this a rhetorical question or are you being serious. Yes, there are moderate Muslims. They are the 99.9% who don't make the news.
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Not making the news does not make one moderate...
 
apdst said:
Why isn't that 99.9% outraged at but jobs committing murder in the name of Islam?
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What makes you think they aren't?
 
Deuce said:
And this translates into support of murder?

Interesting. Can we apply this to tea partiers?
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It certainly doesn't translate into the condemnation of the Charlie Hebdo attack.

You asked what. I showed you what. You obviously have no retort, since you want to drag the Tea Party into it. Let me guess...Tea Paertiers are what? Racists? Is that where you're headed?
 
11Bravo said:
I'm glad there's at least one out there
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1. CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations:

“We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech, even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures. The proper response to such attacks on the freedoms we hold dear is not to vilify any faith, but instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create or widen societal divisions.

We offer sincere condolences to the families and loved ones of those killed or injured in this attack. We also call for the swift apprehension of the perpetrators, who should be punished to the full extent of the law.”

2. Ahmadiyya Muslim Community USA Spokesperson Qasim:

“When we study Islam, we see clearly that the Quran condemns this kind of violence categorically. That Prophet Muhammad said that a Muslim is one from whom all others are safe…. This is not about religion. This is about political power, this is about uneducated, ignorant youth who are being manipulated by clerics and extremists. And this is why it’s all the more important for us, as the moderates, regardless of faith, to stay united and combat this.”

3. Muslim Council of Britain:

“The Muslim Council of Britain condemns this attack. Whomever the attackers are, and whatever the cause may be, nothing justifies the taking of life….”

Dr Shuja Shafi, Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain said: “Nothing justifies the taking of life. Those who have killed in the name of our religion today claim to be avenging the insults made against Prophet Muhammad, upon whom be peace. But nothing is more immoral, offensive and insulting against our beloved Prophet than such a callous act of murder. Our thoughts, prayers and solidarity go to the families of the victims and the people of France.”

4. French Muslim Council (CFCM):

“This extremely grave barbaric action is also an attack against democracy and the freedom of the press.” It also called on “all those committed to the values of the Republic and democracy to avoid provocations that only serve to throw oil on the fire,” and on French Muslims to “exercise the utmost vigilance against possible manipulations from extremist groups.”

5. Union of Islamic Organizations of France (UOIF):

“The UOIF condemns in the strongest terms possible these criminal attacks and horrible deaths. The UOIF offers its condolences to the families and all employees of Charlie Hebdo.”
 
CRUE CAB said:
OK, that's one.
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5. Union of Islamic Organizations of France (UOIF):

“The UOIF condemns in the strongest terms possible these criminal attacks and horrible deaths. The UOIF offers its condolences to the families and all employees of Charlie Hebdo.”

6. Arab League [a regional organization representing 22 Arab countries, all of which have a majority Muslim population]:

“Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi strongly condemns the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo newspaper in Paris.”

7. Ahmadiyya Muslim Youth Association:

“The sanctity of human life is central to our faith. That lives could taken in this manner for any cause is appalling and unjustifiable.”

8. Muslim Advisory Council to the NYPD:

“Regardless of motive or rationalization or evidence or excuse, killing twelve innocent people to avenge Prophet Muhammad has no justification and must be condemned without citing any victimhood. At this moment of national grief we ask the French people not to allow this senseless violence perpetrated by three terrorists to put a wedge between peaceful French Muslims and the broader public. We call upon the authorities to swiftly apprehend the perpetrators who should be punished to the full extent of the French law.”

9. Birmingham [Alabama] Islamic Society:

“This attack in no way represents the teachings of our beloved prophet Muhammad. There are many examples from the life of prophet where he could have responded physically to those who mocked him. On the contrary, he wished them well and prayed for them. Our heart goes out to those who were brutally murdered in this cowardice terrorist attack by the so called defenders of Islam.”

10. Dalil Boubakeur, imam at the mosque of Paris:

“This is a thunderous declaration of war. The times have changed. We’re entering a new phase of this confrontation… we are horrified by the brutality and the savagery.”

11. Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris’s Seine-Saint-Denis suburb:

“These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam and I hope the French will come out united at the end of this.”

12. The Islamic Cooperation Organization (ICO):

“OIC hopes that the culprits would soon be apprehended and presented to justice in France, conveying condolences to the families of the victims, the French government and people and wishing the injured quick recovery.”

13. The National Council of Canadian Muslims (NCCM):

“We are absolutely shocked and horrified by what happened. It is an absolute tragedy and it is a crime….We are shaken up by what happened in Paris today. Our hearts and thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families and the injured. We are hoping that whoever did this – the perpetrators of this crime – are quickly brought to justice.”

14. Muslim Canadian Congress:

“MCC condemns barbaric Islamist attack in Paris on Freedom of Expression.”

15. United Arab Emirates Foreign Ministry:

“Such appalling criminal acts require cooperation and solidarity at all levels to eradicate this menace.”
 
16. Egypt’s Foreign Ministry:

“Egypt stands by France in confronting terrorism, an international phenomenon that targets the world’s security and stability and which requires coordinated international efforts to eradicate.”

17. Iranian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Marzieh Afkham:

“Such actions are a continuation of radical waves and physical aggressions which have spread throughout the world in the past decade, and incorrect policies and double standards in confronting extremism and violence have unfortunately given way to a spreading of such undertakings.”

18. Turkey’s Foreign Minister:

“We, as Turkey, condemn with hatred any kind of terror… We are against any form of terror regardless of where it comes from and what its motives are.”

19. Malaysia’s Prime Minister, Najib Razak:

“Malaysia condemns in the strongest terms all acts of violence. We stand in unity with the French people. We must fight extremism with moderation.”




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apdst said:
Why isn't that 99.9% outraged at but jobs committing murder in the name of Islam?
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...I don't think that was a sentence.
 
CRUE CAB said:
OK, that's one.
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Interview With a Muslim | Religion Dispatches

I don't recall such a cry for condemnation towards Anders Breivik, for Eliot Rodger, for the NAACP bombing 24 hours before the Paris attacks. A non-muslim performs an act of terror and it's an unfortunate manifestation of societies failings to address issues such as mental health. Both these attacks and the Paris ones are absolutely terrible. Most muslims would agree, but collective guilt is not justifiable. The homogenization of islam that is occurring in our media and amongst us needs to stop.
 
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