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Does our gvt have trained assassins in the US?

Does our gvt have trained assassins operating in the US right now?

  • Yes, I am very confident there are

    Votes: 16 76.2%

  • I doubt it, but it's possible

    Votes: 4 19.0%

  • No, absolutely not

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • You watch too much Homeland, dude

    Votes: 1 4.8%

  • 11Bravo is insane, but I love him

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
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Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay............

*Slowly backs away towards the door*
 
I'm going to go with trained marksmen or markspersons, because those kinds of people sometimes respond in situations like hostage taking, when negotiations fail to reach agreements in those kinds of situations.
 
DaveFagan said:
The beginnings of our Police State. He should have been prosecuted.
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Except for the fact that he wasn't shooting at Vicki Weaver.

He shot at an armed man (while under orders to do so), the bullet went thru him and then killed Weaver.
 
Dayton3 said:
Except for the fact that he wasn't shooting at Vicki Weaver.

He shot at an armed man (while under orders to do so), the bullet went thru him and then killed Weaver.
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I agree he followed orders. None of the Weavers should have been shot.
 
DaveFagan said:
I agree he followed orders. None of the Weavers should have been shot.
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I got the details slightly wrong. Vicki Weaver was behind door when the bullet aimed at a man running in hit her.

Of course, the sniper should not have been shooting at someone retreating anyway.

The Ruby Ridge Case brings up a number of points:

1) Law enforcement organizations are famous for NOT communicating or cooperating. A civilian who thinks he has some kind of agreement with one LEO is often surprised that another LEO hasn't even heard of it.

2) Things like killing dogs when involved in a standoff often spark firefights because owners are very sentimental about their dogs.

But you can't expect a law enforcement officer to risk their lives just to avoid killing a dog.

3) Domestic law enforcement tends to be too much in love with using informants to provide basic information.

4) Once a member of law enforcement is killed in any kind of confrontation, it is usually all bets are off regarding procedures. Law enforcement officials naturally feel both afraid and vengeful.
 
Dayton3 said:
Except for the fact that he wasn't shooting at Vicki Weaver.
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Are you kidding?

You REALLY would try to sell that bulls*it?

He shot at an armed man (while under orders to do so), the bullet went thru him and then killed Weaver.
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Bunk.

That is a complete falsehood and fabrication.

Randy was inside, Kevin Harrison had been shot the prior day, the Weaver boy Sammy had been murdered by U.S. Marshal Degan, Harrison dispensed justice on Degan but was shot in the exchange.

There WERE no other males.

Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver under orders, as a means of distressing Weaver to end the siege.
 
DaveFagan said:
I agree he followed orders. None of the Weavers should have been shot.
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Once Marshal Degan murdered 14 year old Sammy, the chance for a peaceful outcome was zero.
 
Dayton3 said:
I got the details slightly wrong. Vicki Weaver was behind door when the bullet aimed at a man running in hit her.

Of course, the sniper should not have been shooting at someone retreating anyway.

The Ruby Ridge Case brings up a number of points:

1) Law enforcement organizations are famous for NOT communicating or cooperating. A civilian who thinks he has some kind of agreement with one LEO is often surprised that another LEO hasn't even heard of it.

2) Things like killing dogs when involved in a standoff often spark firefights because owners are very sentimental about their dogs.

But you can't expect a law enforcement officer to risk their lives just to avoid killing a dog.

3) Domestic law enforcement tends to be too much in love with using informants to provide basic information.

4) Once a member of law enforcement is killed in any kind of confrontation, it is usually all bets are off regarding procedures. Law enforcement officials naturally feel both afraid and vengeful.
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Where are you getting this nonsense?

Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver when she emerged from the cabin to visit her daughter Sarah in the "birthing shack" The Weavers were bizarre, and believed that women on their period had to be separated form the household. The body of Sammy was in the shack as well. Horiuchi testified that Harrison had gone to the shack and his intent was to murder Harrison, but all others testified that only Vicki had left the cabin and had remarked that they would never shoot a woman holding a baby.

Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Where are you getting this nonsense?

Horiuchi murdered Vicki Weaver when she emerged from the cabin to visit her daughter Sarah in the "birthing shack" The Weavers were bizarre, and believed that women on their period had to be separated form the household. The body of Sammy was in the shack as well. Horiuchi testified that Harrison had gone to the shack and his intent was to murder Harrison, but all others testified that only Vicki had left the cabin and had remarked that they would never shoot a woman holding a baby.

Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992
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Completely false.

Outright lies actually.

EVERY account I've read is that Vicki Weaver was behind the door when the bullet hit her. The sniper had no knowledge that she was in the line of fire which is why the charges were dismissed despite efforts to prosecute him.

Never attribute malice where incompetence is more likely.

Just like the U.S.S. Liberty crazies, there was never a motive for Israel to attack the Liberty.

There was no motive for the sniper to shoot Vicki Weaver.
 
Dayton3 said:
Completely false.

Outright lies actually.

EVERY account I've read is that Vicki Weaver was behind the door when the bullet hit her. The sniper had no knowledge that she was in the line of fire which is why the charges were dismissed despite efforts to prosecute him.

Never attribute malice where incompetence is more likely.

Just like the U.S.S. Liberty crazies, there was never a motive for Israel to attack the Liberty.

There was no motive for the sniper to shoot Vicki Weaver.
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I cite what I claim.

Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992

I would call History Channel pretty mainstream.

Horiuchi claimed he shot her by mistake.

Harrison, Randy, and Sarah Weaver testified in court that only Vicki had left the cabin.

My speculation as to why Horiuchi murdered Vicki is simply that he was ordered to. Horiuchi was an assassin, he killed per orders, not for personal reasons. Why he was ordered to, I would speculate was to break the siege by breaking the will of Weaver.
 
Snipers and assassins are not the same thing.

In fact, police snipers in general are the only law enforcement officers allowed to attempt non lethal gunshots (i.e. shooting a person in the hand or shooting their weapon).
 
Uncensored2008 said:
I cite what I claim.

Incident at Ruby Ridge — History.com This Day in History — 8/22/1992

I would call History Channel pretty mainstream.

Horiuchi claimed he shot her by mistake.

Harrison, Randy, and Sarah Weaver testified in court that only Vicki had left the cabin.

My speculation as to why Horiuchi murdered Vicki is simply that he was ordered to. Horiuchi was an assassin, he killed per orders, not for personal reasons. Why he was ordered to, I would speculate was to break the siege by breaking the will of Weaver.
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Is that the same History Channel that often airs stuff about alien conspiracies? Or is that another channel?
 
I voted yes.

But really, it depends on how you define "trained assassin"

I mean, many SWAT teams have snipers on them, I expect...how different is a sniper from from an assassin - both are expected to kill key targets assigned by whomever is controlling them.


Granted they usually have a more noble purpose?
 
11Bravo said:
Kurt Busch Comments on Ex-Girlfriend Patricia Driscoll in Testimony | Bleacher Report

This kinda funny story about Kurt Busch and his ex girlfriend, accusing her of being a trained assassin, got me thinking. Do you guys believe that our government has assassins operating within our borders today?


Am I watching too much Homeland??? It's a great show.
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This should be no surprise that they live amongst us. In fact, three are regular DP posters.....and one is a former Asshat of the Year. :cool:
 
What do you mean by operating in the US? Do you mean, living here? Well, sure. Every US sniper is a trained assassin. Actively executing missions here? Eh, less likely, else we wouold hear more about it, IMO.


Professional assassination is the highest form of public service.
 
The Mark said:
I voted yes.

But really, it depends on how you define "trained assassin"

I mean, many SWAT teams have snipers on them, I expect...how different is a sniper from from an assassin - both are expected to kill key targets assigned by whomever is controlling them.


Granted they usually have a more noble purpose?
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I think you misunderstood this entire poll. I am not speaking of snipers as a profession. I am speaking of an assassin that is not known to the general public. An asset. One that is on call for when a government official calls him or her to carry out the murder of a civilian off the record.

Does that clear it up?
 
11Bravo said:
I think you misunderstood this entire poll. I am not speaking of snipers as a profession. I am speaking of an assassin that is not known to the general public. An asset. One that is on call for when a government official calls him or her to carry out the murder of a civilian off the record.

Does that clear it up?
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Under those parameters my answer changes to "I don't know".
 
There is any entire protest movement that states categorically that the school of the America's at fort benning in the state of Georgia trains assassins that operate in Latin America. A catholic priest from Louisiana leads the movement and believes absolutely that they train assassins in dirty warfare against civilians, like how to enter a dining room with people eating at a table and kill all of me in the most economic manner possible. They have manuals and books on civilian terrorization and the assassination of union leaders. So there must be assassins in the us.

SOA Watch: Close the School of the Americas
 
michijo said:
There is any entire protest movement that states categorically that the school of the America's at fort benning in the state of Georgia trains assassins that operate in Latin America. A catholic priest from Louisiana leads the movement and believes absolutely that they train assassins in dirty warfare against civilians, like how to enter a dining room with people eating at a table and kill all of me in the most economic manner possible. They have manuals and books on civilian terrorization and the assassination of union leaders. So there must be assassins in the us.

SOA Watch: Close the School of the Americas
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Very "interesting" link. But you need to catch up.

Mr. Roy Bourgeois is a former priest who was excommunicated in 2012 and booted from his order. He's just an ordinary leftie and conspiracy theorist now.
 
nota bene said:
Very "interesting" link. But you need to catch up.

Mr. Roy Bourgeois is a former priest who was excommunicated in 2012 and booted from his order. He's just an ordinary leftie and conspiracy theorist now.
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Trust me I know everything about him already and the fact that he was booted from the church. It only makes him seem better to me. After all the Catholics have a history of supporting fascism like the croation Ustashi that committed genocide against the Serbs and Jews. Well, chances are the powers that be in the USA and church decided he was a liability. Frankly I don't like Catholics but I do sympathize with Latin American Catholics due to their being extremely poor and their priests aren't as rotten as say Irish Catholics.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Fort Benning's alumni tended to operate south of the border...

Pick a dictator or fascist killer.

The school of Latin America's dictators | Grace Livingstone | Comment is free | The Guardian
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But the fact remains they are in the USA training, so there are assassin trainers and assassins on us soil trained by the government. It's not a big leap to suggest they are working in the USA. You are obviously not a racist so you can believe the truth. I guess the issue is that if you are a racist then it's a conspiracy theory, and we are brainwashed to view Latin Americans very badly. I watched a film montage recently that had only clips of old movies from the forties to the sixties of Latin Americans degraded in American film and all together one clip after another really gave this warped view, then there was a fact dropped toward the end even more illuminating: during this time period Latin Americans watched these movies of Themselves, 90 percent of their films were American origin.

OVNI | The Gringo in Mañanaland
 
michijo said:
Trust me I know everything about him already.
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Obviously, you don't because you referred to him, in an appeal to authority, I'm guessing, as a Catholic priest when he is not. But I'll add modesty to your list of charms.
 
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