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Does the work of Saul Alinksy influence any of your beliefs?

Has Saul Alinsky influenced your beliefs?

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molten_dragon said:
I've never heard of Saul Alinsky before today.
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You people are obviously not Glen Beck fans.

Back when Beck was on Fox, he spent two months ranting about Saul Alinsky.
 
pbrauer said:
I would bet Alinsky influenced more people on right than on the left. I never heard of the guy until a conservative told me about him.
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Alinsky is circuitous to many lefties. You don't know enough to know the people that influenced you were in fact heavily influenced by Alinsky.
 
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US Conservative said:
Alinsky is circir circuitous to many lefties. You don't know enough to know the people that influenced you were in fact heavily influenced by Alinsky.
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Many righties too. And since the tactics are actually older than dirt, pretty much every one is influenced by them. So in your thread on this, where you ignorant of this, or where you being dishonest?
 
US Conservative said:
Alinsky is circir circuitous to many lefties. You don't know enough to know the people that influenced you were in fact heavily influenced by Alinsky.
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Alinsky's most important text was published in 1971. Most of the foundational members of the New Left had come of age in the early 1960s and were already influenced by other figures: C. Wright Mills, Claude Levi Straus, Allen Ginsberg, Bertrand Russell, and so on. Direct action protests and community organizing were hardly Alinsky's creation or even popularized by him. The community action programs (and their downfall) of the mid-1960s predate publication and dissemination by several years.

Conservatives make a mistake in focusing so disproportionately on Alinsky, when Alinsky borrowed heavily from Machiavelli and Sun Tzu. Many of Alinsky's observations were hardly original and had been incredibly basic formulations of political philosophy, put into practice for centuries. Sure, some well-known community organizing groups were directly influenced by Alinsky, but how he became the focal point of modern Leftism for conservatives is quite amusing.
 
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Redress said:
Many righties too. And since the tactics are actually older than dirt, pretty much every one is influenced by them. So in your thread on this, where you ignorant of this, or where you being dishonest?
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Leftism is old as dirt as well, no new ideas, just the same rehashed class struggle and critical theory.
 
Fiddytree said:
Alinsky's most important text was published in 1971. Most of the foundational members of the New Left had come of age in the early 1960s and were already influenced by other figures: C. Wright Mills, Claude Levi Straus, Allen Ginsberg, Bertrand Russell, and so on. Direct action protests and community organizing were hardly Alinsky's creation or even popularized by him. The community action programs (and their downfall) of the mid-1960s predate publication and dissemination by several years.

Conservatives make a mistake in focusing so disproportionately on Alinsky, when Alinsky borrowed heavily from Machiavelli and Sun Tzu. Many of Alinsky's observations were hardly original and had been incredibly basic formulations of political philosophy, put into practice for centuries. Sure, some well-known community organizing groups were directly influenced by Alinsky, but how he became the focal point of modern Leftism for conservatives is quite amusing.
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Alinsky was already well known by the early 70's. His influence goes back much longer. And that influence impacted many prominent lefties.
 
US Conservative said:
Leftism is old as dirt as well, no new ideas, just the same rehashed class struggle and critical theory.
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So instead of manning up and answering the question, you run away leaving a trail of tired cliches behind you.
 
US Conservative said:
Alinsky was already well known by the early 70's. His influence goes back much longer. And that influence impacted many prominent lefties.
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That's fantastic, but you're quoting a book that was published one year before his death and had hardly been a unique presence in the intellectual discussion surrounding protest and political philosophy.

I just felt the need to remind you that you conservatives have been so insulated from intellectual history that when someone tells you about Alinsky, you feel as though it was a revelation on the Left. It wasn't.
 
US Conservative said:
Alinsky is circuitous to many lefties. You don't know enough to know the people that influenced you were in fact heavily influenced by Alinsky.
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I don't know and you do? Thats hilarious, you don't know who I am or what my real name is, yet you know all about me. :roll: Does your Chrystal ball tell you I grew up in a Republican family?
 
Fiddytree said:
That's fantastic, but you're quoting a book that was published one year before his death and had hardly been a unique presence in the intellectual discussion surrounding protest and political philosophy.

I just felt the need to remind you that you conservatives have been so insulated from intellectual history that when someone tells you about Alinsky, you feel as though it was a revelation on the Left. It wasn't.
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Where did I quote any of his books?
 
pbrauer said:
I don't know and you do? Thats hilarious, you don't know who I am or what my real name is, yet you know all about me. :roll: Does your Chrystal ball tell you I grew up in a Republican family?
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One need only look at the tactics employed by lefties, and the inspiration they themselves cite. Its not hard.
 
pbrauer said:
I don't know and you do? Thats hilarious, you don't know who I am or what my real name is, yet you know all about me. :roll: Does your Chrystal ball tell you I grew up in a Republican family?
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Its obvious, lefties have an inability to comprehend how they appear to non-lefties. The libertarians see it too. :2wave:
 
US Conservative said:
Its obvious, lefties have an inability to comprehend how they appear to non-lefties. The libertarians see it too. :2wave:
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Oh is that why libertarians are so successful?
 
US Conservative said:
I doubt it. And, for the record, what you read in high school while still good, isn't quite as substantive as in college. Just something to consider.
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For the record, I don't really care what you have to say.
 
US Conservative said:
Its obvious, lefties have an inability to comprehend how they appear to non-lefties. The libertarians see it too. :2wave:
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It's obvious you spew mindless blather. You make **** up as you go.
 
Fiddytree said:
Oh is that why libertarians are so successful?
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They are making progress, but not so much on foreign policy IMO. In any case one need not be "successful" to see what the left has become. Like I said you really should try to understand how the left looks to outsiders.
 
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