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Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

Should we flood the world with images of Muhammed?

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Charlie Hebdo cover printed in Turkish daily - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

A Turkish daily has published cartoons from the latest edition of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo, which came under a deadly attack last week, as Turkish police took tight security measures around the Turkish newspaper's headquarters.

Secularist Cumhuriyet newspaper published four pages of Charlie Hebdo cartoons on Wednesday, the same day the latest edition of Charlie Hebdo came out.
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Turkey appears to want to take part. :mrgreen:
 
Hatuey said:
I meant this guy:

Julien Dray



I assign based on what I see. Their brothers and sisters in the PQ in Canada tried to tear the province apart a few months ago over the French language, religion and race. They were voted out of office recently because they were simply seen as a bunch of racists trying to wash the history of both Quebec and Montreal with chamois leather. So I most definitely understand the type of French racism we're discussing here and I simply don't buy the French brand. Here, I welcome you to read this so you can see why I don't have any sympathy for SOS Racisme and French Republicanism:

The core of Quebec



France's cultural elite wants it both ways, they ban the veil, which women can CHOOSE to wear as part of their free speech, and then they want to act offended when others aren't respectful of their freedom of speech. That's not the concept of free speech I'm willing to stand beside. One which picks and chooses which speech is acceptable and which isn't.
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All of that is certainly worthy of discussion, but it really doesn't have anything to do with how differently you and I perceive the humor and satire in Charlie Hebdo. I grew up with this stuff. Charlie Hebdo, Coluche, l'équipe du Splendid, all pushed the enveloppe when it comes to crass and irreverent humor. If you've ever seen any of Coluche's standup comedy or any of the early plays and movies by the Splendid guys and if you were to take select bits out of context you would no doubt think them the worst racists and xenophobic assholes. All of them were anything but. They were a mirror that reflected the ugliest of French society back to a country that saw and still sees them as legends.

But the larger point I've been trying to make is that even if I thought they were racist or some other trait I disaprove of, I would still support their right to express their views. I would still be Charlie.
 
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I don't see a need for an intentional "flood" of this.

The day after, rerunning one of their cartoons or doing something like this...yeah, I get the point there.

But to me, there'd need to be some kind of point to it beyond "Yeah, **** you crazy terrorists!". Do I think people should not draw Muhammed in instances where it is relevant and fits what they're doing? Absolutely not. But just like I wouldn't suggest someone putting "God Damn" all over the place for no other reason other than it'll piss some people off, I wouldn't suggest putting all kinds of images of muhammed for the simple purpose of pissing people off. Doesn't mean you can't; I just would find that act childish.

So for me...it would largley be the reason WHY more so than the actual act to determine how I felt about it.
 
Turkey back-stepping now....

Turkey bans Charlie Hebdo cover online - CNN.com

(CNN)A Turkish court has banned Web pages that show the new cover of Charlie Hebdo, the country''s semiofficial news agency Anadolu reported Wednesday.

The move came as Deputy Prime Minister Yalcin Akdogan wrote on Twitter, "Those who are publishing figures referring to our supreme Prophet are those who disregard the sacred." Such a move is "open sedition and provocation," he added.

Turkey is home to 82 million people, 99.8% of whom are Muslim, according to the CIA World Factbook
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After four years, American cartoonist Molly Norris still in hiding after drawing Prophet Mohammed - CNN.com

(CNN)Molly Norris drew a cartoon four years ago that depicted the likeness of Mohammed on several items, including a tea cup, a thimble and a domino.

She received her first death threat within days.

One was a fatwa that came from radical and influential cleric Anwar al-Awlaki -- an American-born imam who lived in Yemen -- who said Norris was a "prime target" for execution for creating blasphemous cartoons.

Norris had kicked off controversy in April 2010 with a cartoon published online about an imaginary group called "Citizens Against Citizens Against Humor" that proposed an "Everybody Draw Mohammed Day."
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Hatuey said:
Well, thank you! In turn, I commend you for not engaging in silly crystal ball type of arguments. I mean, it's one thing to claim that the Founders knew that someone with any of our leans would come along. It's another to believe that any use of the term "the common people", is an attempt to bring in "class struggle". I do wonder whether the poster who suggested such a thing even understood what that meant. This discussion has nothing to do with class struggle, so why would he interpret the term common people to be doing just that? His obsession with the term is worrying, to say the least.
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There is always so much irony around! Anyway, thanks again.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/14/opinion/islams-problem-with-blasphemy.html?_r=0

Still, this religious nationalism is guided by religious law — Shariah — that includes clauses about punishing blasphemy as a deadly sin. It is thus of vital importance that Muslim scholars courageously, even audaciously, address this issue today. They can begin by acknowledging that, while Shariah is rooted in the divine, the overwhelming majority of its injunctions are man-made, partly reflecting the values and needs of the seventh to 12th centuries — when no part of the world was liberal, and other religions, such as Christianity, also considered blasphemy a capital crime.
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The only source in Islamic law that all Muslims accept indisputably is the Quran. And, conspicuously, the Quran decrees no earthly punishment for blasphemy — or for apostasy (abandonment or renunciation of the faith), a related concept. Nor, for that matter, does the Quran command stoning, female circumcision or a ban on fine arts. All these doctrinal innovations, as it were, were brought into the literature of Islam as medieval scholars interpreted it, according to the norms of their time and milieu.

Tellingly, severe punishments for blasphemy and apostasy appeared when increasingly despotic Muslim empires needed to find a religious justification to eliminate political opponents.
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Islam is in serious need of reform.
 
Dragonfly said:
In support of all victims of all islamic terrorist actions, should every single media outlet, publication, and private individual start printing/posting/publishing drawings of Muhammed?

Think about it. If every single person/business/group/corporation with a facebook page, instagram, snap chat, blog, forum, and web page spent a week posting nothing but pictures of Muhammed would it make a statement?

If every single non-muslim with the means to "protest" in this way banded together and posted pictures, it would number in the billions.

Would it make any kind of difference? Would it resonate with the Muslim world at all?

A world-wide grass-roots movement to collectively say "we're not going to submit to terrorist threats" and "we fully support the freedom of speech and freedom of the press/media". Would you participate?

Is it time for every single non-Muslim to post a cartoon/drawing of Muhammed in a collective gesture of support, and defiance against violence?
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What do you see this accomplishing, exactly?
 
Hello,

How do you initiate a poll? I'd like to get people to vote on, "Do you think Mohammad should be voted greatest pedophile of all time?" Not kidding, after all he was able to convince 1.7 billion people that its ok to have sex with a 9 year old. Now theres a cartoon that could make the NAMBLA newsletter.

Garion
 
Garion said:
Hello,

How do you initiate a poll? I'd like to get people to vote on, "Do you think Mohammad should be voted greatest pedophile of all time?" Not kidding, after all he was able to convince 1.7 billion people that its ok to have sex with a 9 year old. Now theres a cartoon that could make the NAMBLA newsletter.

Garion
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Go to the polls section of the forum and "create new thread". Make sure to click the box at the bottom that says "create poll" or something close to that. Then you create the thread FIRST, then it takes you to the "create a poll" section.

A little confusing but that's how it's done.

I would vote "yes- mohammad was a pedophile"
 
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Yes, I think we do need to flood the world with a drawing of Muhammad. For my money, I think the west ought to agree on an image; for consistency, and then perhaps due to Iran, ISIS, the Saudis beheading women for driving... 9-11 and other recent events, I think that this Image of Muhammad should show him picking his nose.
 
I don't see what the big deal is, some cartoonist got killed by Islamic nuts. So what? He was transcended from this plane of existence.
 
It is still offensive to Muslims who are not extremists. I see no reason to offend them for the actions of a few extremists. That would be like Bible burnings in response to the Westboro Baptist Church.
 
iacardsfan said:
It is still offensive to Muslims who are not extremists. I see no reason to offend them for the actions of a few extremists. That would be like Bible burnings in response to the Westboro Baptist Church.
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#1) there's what, like 20 members of the Westboro Baptist Church. How many 1000's of extremist Muslims are there?
#2) have the Westboro Baptists killed anyone?
#3) Maybe it's time to incite some action out of the less extreme Muslims. Maybe they'd start policing themselves more?
 
Dragonfly said:
#1) there's what, like 20 members of the Westboro Baptist Church. How many 1000's of extremist Muslims are there?
#2) have the Westboro Baptists killed anyone?
#3) Maybe it's time to incite some action out of the less extreme Muslims. Maybe they'd start policing themselves more?
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The Westboro church was simply an example. And no, offending Muslims to the point of "self policing" is no strategy to move forward with. We are trying to gain friends in the area not enemies.
 
Dragonfly said:
In support of all victims of all islamic terrorist actions, should every single media outlet, publication, and private individual start printing/posting/publishing drawings of Muhammed?

Think about it. If every single person/business/group/corporation with a facebook page, instagram, snap chat, blog, forum, and web page spent a week posting nothing but pictures of Muhammed would it make a statement?

If every single non-muslim with the means to "protest" in this way banded together and posted pictures, it would number in the billions.

Would it make any kind of difference? Would it resonate with the Muslim world at all?

A world-wide grass-roots movement to collectively say "we're not going to submit to terrorist threats" and "we fully support the freedom of speech and freedom of the press/media". Would you participate?

Is it time for every single non-Muslim to post a cartoon/drawing of Muhammed in a collective gesture of support, and defiance against violence?
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I don't buy into the notion that the CH people "provoked" their own deaths, but... I do think that people going out of their way to antagonize would only cause more problems. I don't remember who said it recently, but the best course of action is to go about our own lives unchanged. In other words, if we don't normally post photos, don't post photos. But if we did/do, then we should continue.

ETA: I think I am going to stop voting in polls and stop posting in the poll forum until the spamming issue stops. I'll post any threads in the closest relevant forum instead.
 
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How does the antagonistic expression of mass hatred create understanding and peace?

I have an idea, one that I don't believe has been attempted in modern times, why don't we, the West, leave the region entirely? Why don't we stop occupying their land, stop overthrowing their governments, stop conspiring and/or outright killing their leaders, stop trying to change their cultures, stop trying to convert them to Christianity, stop destroying their cities, stop killing their people, stop manipulating and/or stealing their natural resources?

What would the peoples of Europe do, what have they done, when the above happened? They fought back with all they had. What would the US do, what would Canada do if the above happened in North America?

Leave their region, leave their countries, leave their people, leave their religion alone.
 
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