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Do you support the legalization of prostitution?

Do you support the legalization of prostitution?


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You guys sound like those brainwashed ChildSafe/ECPAT drones. Most working girls in the US are not trafficked. Although I fully support opening the border and bringing more in.
 
You guys sound like those brainwashed ChildSafe/ECPAT drones. Most working girls in the US are not trafficked. Although I fully support opening the border and bringing more in.

l wonder what kind of psychology makes you speak like that
 
l wonder what kind of psychology makes you speak like that
Substantial experience, of course.

1. Most working girls are not trafficked in the US.
2. Most working girls who are "trafficked" do so willingly.
 
Substantial experience, of course.

1. Most working girls are not trafficked in the US.
2. Most working girls who are "trafficked" do so willingly.

do you think it will go like this ?
 
Not really keen on the idea of legalizing it. Seems that the necessary health and safety regulations would be difficult to enforce, and protections for the "workers" difficult to maintain.


More personally and spiritually, I think prostitution takes something intimate and bonding and degrades it into cheap commerce, and the effects on those who give it and partake in it can be significant.
 
I voted yes, but under very specific circumstances. A girl out walking the street? Under the lamp on the corner? No.

It would be like any other controlled substance. Sold at specific, licensed places, registration of workers, etc. A VERY controlled environment. No house calls.
 
I voted yes, but under very specific circumstances. A girl out walking the street? Under the lamp on the corner? No.

It would be like any other controlled substance. Sold at specific, licensed places, registration of workers, etc. A VERY controlled environment. No house calls.

You mean... you're going to essentially make a small section of prostitution legal and keep the overwhelming majority of prostitution illegal. How will this work for the thousands of junky prostitutes in major cities? Do you believe they'll simply get off the drugs and start filing tax returns? What about all the underaged prostitutes in the US? They'll simply come out of the shadows and do it legally? These suggestions of "regulating it" aren't based on an understanding of prostitution in its current form. They're based on ideological musings of how things should be in the perfect world.
 
Yes, obviously. Even if you don't support the legal exchange of money for sex, I don't think anyone here can argue that allowing sex slavery to run wild is acceptable, which is essentially what an outright ban on prostitution does. Prostitution brothels should be legalized and strictly regulated, while pimping should be banned.
 
Yes, obviously. Even if you don't support the legal exchange of money for sex, I don't think anyone here can argue that allowing sex slavery to run wild is acceptable, which is essentially what an outright ban on prostitution does. Prostitution brothels should be legalized and strictly regulated, while pimping should be banned.[/QUOTE]

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Yes, obviously. Even if you don't support the legal exchange of money for sex, I don't think anyone here can argue that allowing sex slavery to run wild is acceptable, which is essentially what an outright ban on prostitution does. Prostitution brothels should be legalized and strictly regulated[B], while pimping should be banned.[/[/B]QUOTE]

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Yes, obviously. Even if you don't support the legal exchange of money for sex, I don't think anyone here can argue that allowing sex slavery to run wild is acceptable, which is essentially what an outright ban on prostitution does. Prostitution brothels should be legalized and strictly regulated, while pimping should be banned.

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The "managers" of prostitutes who all too often exploit the workers, effectively treat them as slaves and reap all of the profits that the employees work for.
 
If pimping is banned, then wouldn't brothels, by extension, also be banned? The proprietor of a brothel is, in many ways, acting as a pimp. What about websites like backpage? They are profiting from prostitution, so would they be banned along with pimping?

Nothing wrong with pimping in my opinion. No reason to ban it.
 
If pimping is banned, then wouldn't brothels, by extension, also be banned? The proprietor of a brothel is, in many ways, acting as a pimp. What about websites like backpage? They are profiting from prostitution, so would they be banned along with pimping?

Nothing wrong with pimping in my opinion. No reason to ban it.

No, cooperative brothels would be legal in that situation.
 
No, cooperative brothels would be legal in that situation.
So democratically elected pimps are okay in your view? Not sure I understand. Wouldn't it make more sense to just ban brothels completely and have everyone work as independent freelancers? Or would that get in the way of your "heavily regulated" fantasy?
 

The "managers" of prostitutes who all too often exploit the workers, effectively treat them as slaves and reap all of the profits that the employees work for.[/QUOTE]

l mean do you think it can be banned ?

:mrgreen:
 
So democratically elected pimps are okay in your view? Not sure I understand. Wouldn't it make more sense to just ban brothels completely and have everyone work as independent freelancers? Or would that get in the way of your "heavily regulated" fantasy?

:lol:
 
So democratically elected pimps are okay in your view? Not sure I understand. Wouldn't it make more sense to just ban brothels completely and have everyone work as independent freelancers? Or would that get in the way of your "heavily regulated" fantasy?

You misunderstand. I don't object to management itself in the prostitution industry, I object to exploitative management. Establishment of cooperative brothels with a respect for the rights of the workers would eliminate the possibility of violations of the rights of prostitutes and the occurrence of sex slavery. I would have no problem with someone engaging in prostitution as an independent freelancer legally, but the hypothetical regulations would obviously be very different in that case.

l mean do you think it can be banned ?

:mrgreen:

As long as there is a demand for prostitution, it will exist. There is not a demand for prostitution in the specific business model of pimping, so if cooperative brothels satisfy the demand for prostitution, I don't see why a ban on pimping wouldn't be enforceable.
 
As long as there is a demand for prostitution, it will exist. There is not a demand for prostitution in the specific business model of pimping, so if cooperative brothels satisfy the demand for prostitution, I don't see why a ban on pimping wouldn't be enforceable.
I think you're way off base with this. Banning pimping would greatly inhibit innovation in the creation of new types of P4P venues. You have to remember that the most important customer base are business travellers (including offshore workers and military contractors, basically anyone who works away from home) - and they aren't merely looking for sex, they are also looking to have a good time.
 
I think you're way off base with this. Banning pimping would greatly inhibit innovation in the creation of new types of P4P venues. You have to remember that the most important customer base are business travellers (including offshore workers and military contractors, basically anyone who works away from home) - and they aren't merely looking for sex, they are also looking to have a good time.

There's no evidence to suggest that cooperative brothels wouldn't be able to properly entertain their customers. But quite frankly, my greater concern is the protection of prostitutes from sex slavery, and I'm not too worried about how satisfied customers are, as long as they're not turning to other methods that exploit the prostitutes.
 
You mean... you're going to essentially make a small section of prostitution legal and keep the overwhelming majority of prostitution illegal. How will this work for the thousands of junky prostitutes in major cities? Do you believe they'll simply get off the drugs and start filing tax returns? What about all the underaged prostitutes in the US? They'll simply come out of the shadows and do it legally? These suggestions of "regulating it" aren't based on an understanding of prostitution in its current form. They're based on ideological musings of how things should be in the perfect world.

We live in a seller beware economic system. To simply allow an unregulated SEX enterprise would be disastrous for our legal system, and our courts.
 
You mean... you're going to essentially make a small section of prostitution legal and keep the overwhelming majority of prostitution illegal. How will this work for the thousands of junky prostitutes in major cities? Do you believe they'll simply get off the drugs and start filing tax returns? What about all the underaged prostitutes in the US? They'll simply come out of the shadows and do it legally? These suggestions of "regulating it" aren't based on an understanding of prostitution in its current form. They're based on ideological musings of how things should be in the perfect world.
Are you suggesting that because we can't fix everything and help everybody that we shouldn't even try to fix some aspects and help some people into better situations?


If pimping is banned, then wouldn't brothels, by extension, also be banned? The proprietor of a brothel is, in many ways, acting as a pimp. What about websites like backpage? They are profiting from prostitution, so would they be banned along with pimping?

Nothing wrong with pimping in my opinion. No reason to ban it.
"Pimping" would/should be defined as preventing people from leaving a 'business relationship' for fear of significant retribution. In a legitimate legal business environment, the prostitute could leave at any time (or, at least at the expiration of a legal contract), and not fear retribution of any kind.

You actually support pimping?
 
There's no evidence to suggest that cooperative brothels wouldn't be able to properly entertain their customers.
Ok, take lets use termas in Rio De Janeiro (like Centaurus or 4x4), or saunas in Macau (Sanado, 18, Rio, etc) as an example. Would it be possible to turn those sorts of venues into co-ops? Would require millions in investment, hundreds of employees, and a bunch of other stuff. Seems like co-op's would be relatively basic, small, and boring in comparison.

"Pimping" would/should be defined as preventing people from leaving a 'business relationship' for fear of significant retribution. In a legitimate legal business environment, the prostitute could leave at any time (or, at least at the expiration of a legal contract), and not fear retribution of any kind.

You actually support pimping?
Not when you change the definition of pimping. But I have no problem with mamasans/papasans/madames/whatever you want to call them, or business owners trying to make a profit in the sex industry.
 
The biggest issue with that is how the meat was acquired. Usually it would involve severe criminality or public health risk. But if there is a legal and safe way to do it I'm not opposed to someone eating human meat.
You will be filthy rich if it's legal.
 
Prostitutes don't get involved in this stuff after they become prostitutes, that's how they get there. Human trafficking isn't something which happens to prostitutes after they start prostituting themselves. It's how they get there in the first place. That's not going to go away because prostitution is legalized. Legalizing it will simply put fewer traffickers in jail, it won't change the conditions under which they place women. These libertarian arguments really make it obvious that people don't know how most women enter prostitution or why.
Also, legalizing it cannot eliminate the black market. Regulation means higher cost. Poor men may resort to individual hookers.
 
Also, legalizing it cannot eliminate the black market. Regulation means higher cost. Poor men may resort to individual hookers.
Does it?

Define what you mean by "higher cost". Higher relative to what it was when unregulated. Or, simply higher than unregulated, always?

Take cigarettes, for example. They're highly regulated and taxed. Yet, black market cigarettes don't become a significant issue unless the taxes get too high. Below a certain point, wherever that may be, and the issue is minor.
 
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