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Is Racial Discrimination Sometimes Justified?

Is racial discrimination sometimes justified?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 16.7%

  • No

    Votes: 15 83.3%
  • Total voters
    18
ThePlayDrive said:
Every single person in this thread knows that you have an ulterior motive. It would be helpful if you started by making an actual argument instead of trying to lead people into making the argument you obviously want them to make.

You actually remind me of another poster that used be here : Wake. He would start threads in a similar manner. Hm.
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So you have talked to every single person in this thread about it? Does that mean that I can expect that I will not get an honest answer because EVERYONE wants to avoid a certain conclusion?
 
lizzie said:
Seriously?
If I avoid driving around in a neighborhood because my chances of being shot are increased tenfold, I am discriminating? Am I obligated to put myself in a dangerous situation just so that people won't think I am discriminating against them? Really? This is pretty laughable. Omg.
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That's just one step away from handling poisonous snakes, I think.
 
MildSteel said:
If you avoid driving around a neighborhood because it is a black neighborhood and you therefore think that your chances of being shot are increased tenfold, you are discriminating based on race. It is not illegal, but it is discrimination nonetheless. The question is this, is such discrimination sometimes justified?
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Omg- you are so wrong about the reasoning behind that. It's not because they are black. It's because it's a dangerous neighborhood. If the residents were white, I'd act exactly the same way. You see it as an issue of color. I see it as an issue of my personal safety.
 
There are differences in races but it is culture not color. Hopefully or at least ideally when people immigrate to America they will slowly assume the American culture even if it takes a generation or two. The one exception to this rule may be the Muslims who's very religion rejects our culture so assimilation with them may be difficult or impossible.
 
MildSteel said:
It is obvious that is it rationalized. The deeper question is is it sometimes justified.
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MildSteel said:
If you avoid driving around a neighborhood because it is a black neighborhood and you therefore think that your chances of being shot are increased tenfold, you are discriminating based on race. It is not illegal, but it is discrimination nonetheless. The question is this, is such discrimination sometimes justified?
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Would the same person avoid driving around rich black neighborhoods because they feared their chances of being shot are "tenfold"?
 
lizzie said:
Omg- you are so wrong about the reasoning behind that. It's not because they are black. It's because it's a dangerous neighborhood. If the residents were white, I'd act exactly the same way. You see it as an issue of color. I see it as an issue of my personal safety.
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Whoa lizzie, or should I say "whoa nellie."

What I am saying is that IF you avoid going to a black neighborhood because it is black and you therefore think that it is more likely that you would be victimized by crime, that is discrimination based on race. It is not illegal. Is not such discrimination SOMETIMES justified?
 
Declan said:
Would the same person avoid driving around rich black neighborhoods because they feared their chances of being shot are "tenfold"?
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Let's suppose that the person has never been to the city before and knows nothing about it, except that certain neighborhoods are black. If he avoids going to those neighborhoods because they are black and he therefore thinks that it is more likely that he will victimized by crime, that is discrimination based on race and it is not illegal.
 
ironhorse said:
There are differences in races but it is culture not color.
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Since there are differences, don't you think that racial discrimination is sometimes justified?
 
MildSteel said:
Let's suppose that the person has never been to the city before and knows nothing about it, except that certain neighborhoods are black. If he avoids going to those neighborhoods because they are black and he therefore thinks that it is more likely that he will victimized by crime, that is discrimination based on race and it is not illegal.
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Doesn't answer my question though, but how are you going to enforce a law for something people did not do based on an opinion they did not share when they were not doing it?
 
Declan said:
Doesn't answer my question though, but how are you going to enforce a law for something people did not do based on an opinion they did not share when they were not doing it?
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If you follow the thread, you will find that I said I am not referring to discrimination STRICTLY in the legal sense. Obviously in the scenario I put forward, the person is not doing something illegal.
 
MildSteel said:
Since there are differences, don't you think that racial discrimination is sometimes justified?
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Depends what you mean by discrimination I guess. I don't think rejecting a job applicant based entirely on their race is legitimate. You have to asses everyone on their individual record.
 
MildSteel said:
If you follow the thread, you will find that I said I am not referring to discrimination STRICTLY in the legal sense. Obviously in the scenario I put forward, the person is not doing something illegal.
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Are they being unjust or prejudiced toward someone by not driving through their neighborhood? The fewer people who drive through my neighborhood, the better. I am not a victim of their absence.
 
MildSteel said:
Whoa lizzie, or should I say "whoa nellie."

What I am saying is that IF you avoid going to a black neighborhood because it is black and you therefore think that it is more likely that you would be victimized by crime, that is discrimination based on race. It is not illegal. Is not such discrimination SOMETIMES justified?
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I don't personally know of anyone who is going to avoid a neighborhood because it is black- only because it's known to be dangerous. We have white neighborhoods and Hispanic neighborhoods in this part of the country that I avoid too. I don't think you are understanding what the issue is. It's not one of race, but of safety.
 
ironhorse said:
Depends what you mean by discrimination I guess. I don't think rejecting a job applicant based entirely on their race is legitimate. You have to asses everyone on their individual record.
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To discriminate based on race means to view and/or act in a certain way towards a person, based on their race, especially negatively.
 
lizzie said:
I don't personally know of anyone who is going to avoid a neighborhood because it is black- only because it's known to be dangerous. We have white neighborhoods and Hispanic neighborhoods in this part of the country that I avoid too. I don't think you are understanding what the issue is. It's not one of race, but of safety.
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Just because you are say that you don't know anyone like that, it does not mean that there are not people like that. There are people that don't like people simply because they are black. That is not illegal, but that is a fact.
 
Declan said:
Are they being unjust or prejudiced toward someone by not driving through their neighborhood? The fewer people who drive through my neighborhood, the better. I am not a victim of their absence.
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If they don't drive through the neighborhood because it is black and they think they will be victimized by crime, that is discrimination. My question to you is do you think that is unjust?
 
MildSteel said:
If they don't drive through the neighborhood because it is black and they think they will be victimized by crime, that is discrimination. My question to you is do you think that is unjust?
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What do YOU think? You appear to have been trying to play some sort of game since you started this thread.
 
lizzie said:
What do YOU think? You appear to have been trying to play some sort of game since you started this thread.
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I think it is a difficult question. That's what I think.
 
MildSteel said:
For whatever reason, we see that certain races or more prone to certain types of negative and/or illegal activity. Not only that, but certain books like the Bell Curve seem to suggest that certain races are less intelligent that other races. As such, if we are really to look at the world as it is, is a certain amount of racial discrimination justified?
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I understand that the Bell Curve you reference has been debunked.
 
JANFU said:
I understand that the Bell Curve you reference has been debunked.
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Let's suppose that it is indeed true. Would not some sort of racial discrimination be justified as a result?
 
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MildSteel said:
Let's suppose that it is indeed true. Would not some sort of racial discrimination be justified as a result?
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No let us ask is it your belief or not.
 
MildSteel said:
So you have talked to every single person in this thread about it? Does that mean that I can expect that I will not get an honest answer because EVERYONE wants to avoid a certain conclusion?
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1. Do you know Wake?

2. Do you think that racial discrimination is sometimes justified?
 
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