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Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?

Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/rational?

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Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Just a few decades ago, the idea that anyone would even consider the idea of “same sex marriage” was rightly seen as absurd. It was clearly understood what marriage whats, just as it was clearly understood what a sick, immoral perversion homosexuality was, and nobody would even have suggested that one had any place in the other.

Not five years ago, even those who were so sick as to think that there could be any such thing as “same sex marriage”, would certain;y not have argued for forcing anyone who still held to any decent moral values to have anything to do with it.

Now, we are at the point where we will allow the power of government to force those in private businesses onto this evil, against there rightful moral objections. There is really no significant line left to cross, to force churches into this evil as well.

Unless this sick trend is reversed, we will live to see the force of government used to force churches to perform immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings; within the next few years at most.
 
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AGENT J said:
i get that but what basic beliefs are you talking about.
the example you pointed out isnt a violation

also id say the vast majority of religious people dont follow all thier beliefs. i certainly dont, i have no problem admitting that nor would i ever (follow them all)
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If a Christian misses a few minor details such as procedures on handling communion, that's a trivial matter to me.
If a Christian misses something fundamental such as "love thy neighbor as thyself," it's not. And we have the right to call him out on that.

Cephus said:
Just because someone labels themselves a Christian doesn't mean they have the same beliefs as other people who also label themselves Christian. Everyone believes what they want to believe and stamps whatever label they want to use on their forehead.
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Don't even try the "no true Christian" fallacy. If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, you are a Christian, pure and simple.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Just a few decades ago, the idea that anyone would even consider the idea of “same sex marriage” was rightly seen as absurd. It was clearly understood what marriage whats, just as it was clearly understood what a sick, immoral perversion homosexuality was, and nobody would even have suggested that one had any place in the other.

Not five years ago, even those who were so sick as to think that there could be any such thing as “same sex marriage”, would certain;y not have argued for forcing anyone who still held to any decent moral values to have anything to do with it.

Now, we are at the point where we will allow the power of government to force those in private businesses onto this evil, against there rightful moral objections. There is really no significant line left to cross, to force churches into this evil as well.

Unless this sick trend is reversed, we will live to see the force of government used to force churches to perform immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings; within the next few years at most.
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How does it make you feel to know that this attitude is literally dying out? :)
 
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Phys251 said:
Don't even try the "no true Christian" fallacy. If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, you are a Christian, pure and simple.
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And how does one go about determining if someone believes "that Jesus is the Messiah"?
 
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Phys251 said:
Don't even try the "no true Christian" fallacy. If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, you are a Christian, pure and simple.
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I think it takes a bit more than that. Even Satan knows that Jesus is the Messiah. That doesn't make him a Christian.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

I think all churches should lose all significance in the eyes of the federal government.

No more tax exemption. No more anything.


All major religions are, IMO, for the weak and or the ignorant and/or the desperate and they are the source of far more harm then good.
 
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Phys251 said:
1.)If a Christian misses a few minor details such as procedures on handling communion, that's a trivial matter to me.
2.)If a Christian misses something fundamental such as "love thy neighbor as thyself," it's not. And we have the right to call him out on that.
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1.) I agree
2.) I personally agree with that too
3.) you didnt answer though, what were you referring to as false witness, thats the part i didnt understand?
 
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countryboy said:
And how does one go about determining if someone believes "that Jesus is the Messiah"?
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Oh hell, in this society, you don't even have to ask. Particularly in the Bible belt, one can't go for ten minutes without hearing the latest story of what Jesus/God has allegedly done for them.

Bob Blaylock said:
I think it takes a bit more than that. Even Satan knows that Jesus is the Messiah. That doesn't make him a Christian.
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Alright fine. What is your definition of a Christian?
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) I agree
2.) I personally agree with that too
3.) you didnt answer though, what were you referring to as false witness, thats the part i didnt understand?
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Dude I'm just quoting one of the Ten Commandments. And it's "false testimony," not "false witness." Usually it's interpreted as some form of "Thou shalt not lie."
 
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Phys251 said:
Oh hell, in this society, you don't even have to ask. Particularly in the Bible belt, one can't go for ten minutes without hearing the latest story of what Jesus/God has allegedly done for them.
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That's not what I asked. How does one determine what another person truly believes, in their heart? Is merely asking enough? Or hearing an alleged testimony? What if someone claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ, yet doesn't conduct themselves in a manner consistent with the teachings of Christ? Are they still a believer? People never lie?
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
1.)Just a few decades ago, the idea that anyone would even consider the idea of “same sex marriage” was rightly seen as absurd. It was clearly understood what marriage whats, just as it was clearly understood what a sick, immoral perversion homosexuality was, and nobody would even have suggested that one had any place in the other.

2.) Not five years ago, even those who were so sick as to think that there could be any such thing as “same sex marriage”, would certain;y not have argued for forcing anyone who still held to any decent moral values to have anything to do with it.

3.) Now, we are at the point where we will allow the power of government to force those in private businesses onto this evil, against there rightful moral objections.
4.) There is really no significant line left to cross, to force churches into this evil as well.
5.) Unless this sick trend is reversed, we will live to see the force of government used to force churches to perform immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings; within the next few years at most.
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1.) false
2.) also false
3.) government hasnt forced anybody to perform anything immoral
4.) since 1, 2, 3 are false and lies 4 also fails
5.) see #4

can you make a post that can ever be backed up with facts or anything even accurate and logical


lets look at some facts in the US:
number of businesses forced to participate in gay marriages . . . . ZERO
number of churches forced to do gay marriages . . . ZERO
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Phys251 said:
Dude I'm just quoting one of the Ten Commandments. And it's "false testimony," not "false witness." Usually it's interpreted as some form of "Thou shalt not lie."
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i know what you are doing and i am asking you for examples, thats all and still am?
I dont understand what you are saying your position is . . .

are you saying that any religious person that has lied (and lying is forbidden in thier religion) shouldnt be trusted? im not saying you are im simply asking because you havent made it clear what you mean
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Phys251 said:
Bob Blaylock said:
Phys251 said:
Don't even try the "no true Christian" fallacy. If you believe that Jesus is the Messiah, you are a Christian, pure and simple.
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I think it takes a bit more than that. Even Satan knows that Jesus is the Messiah. That doesn't make him a Christian.
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Alright [sic] fine. What is your definition of a Christian?
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What do you suppose makes Satan not a Christian? Satan knows who Jesus is, and he knows and fully understands Jesus' importance. By your definition, this would make him a Christian.

Satan knows what God's will is—probably better than any of us mortals do—and he strives to thwart and undermine it; and to lead as many of God's children as he can to do likewise. This, I say, makes him the most exact opposite of a Christian, and the opposite of an example of what is required of us if we wish to honestly identify as Christians.

I say that to be a Christian, one must not only know who Jesus is, and to acknowledge his role in our salvation; one must also sincerely try to follow Jesus' teachings and examples, and to act in support of God's will, and to encourage others to do likewise.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
What do you suppose makes Satan not a Christian? Satan knows who Jesus is, and he knows and fully understands Jesus' importance. By your definition, this would make him a Christian.

Satan knows what God's will is—probably better than any of us mortals do—and he strives to thwart and undermine it; and to lead as many of God's children as he can to do likewise. This, I say, makes him the most exact opposite of a Christian, and the opposite of an example of what is required of us if we wish to honestly identify as Christians.

I say that to be a Christian, one must not only know who Jesus is, and to acknowledge his role in our salvation; one must also sincerely try to follow Jesus' teachings and examples, and to act in support of God's will, and to encourage others to do likewise.
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who satan is and if he is a christian is not the topic of this thread we have a forum for that, thank you
 
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I refuse to vote in this poll without options for my lean and where I'm from.

:2razz:
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

AGENT J said:
1.) false
2.) also false
3.) government hasnt forced anybody to perform anything immoral
4.) since 1, 2, 3 are false and lies 4 also fails
5.) see #4

can you make a post that can ever be backed up with facts or anything even accurate and logical


lets look at some facts in the US:
number of businesses forced to participate in gay marriages . . . . ZERO
number of churches forced to do gay marriages . . . ZERO
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  1. This is a numbered argument, isolated from whatever it was supposed to be a reply to. I demand that you waste as much time and effort as it takes to come up with an intelligent reply to this point; even though, at this point, you cannot even tell what it is to which I am asking you to reply.
  2. Same as #1.
  3. This is a really, really, really stupid way to reply to a forum post, isn't it?
  4. This is a recursive point. See #4.
  5. No educated or honest person would ever disagree with me. You factually have 100% no argument at all.
  6. At least I know how to use BBCode to do this more stylishly than you do it. It's still a dumb way to reply, but at least mine looks better.
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Bob Blaylock said:
  1. This is a numbered argument, isolated from whatever it was supposed to be a reply to. I demand that you waste as much time and effort as it takes to come up with an intelligent reply to this point; even though, at this point, you cannot even tell what it is to which I am asking you to reply.
  2. Same as #1.
  3. This is a really, really, really stupid way to reply to a forum post, isn't it?
  4. This is a recursive point. See #4.
  5. No educated or honest person would ever disagree with me. You factually have 100% no argument at all.
  6. At least I know how to use BBCode to do this more stylishly than you do it. It's still a dumb way to reply, but at least mine looks better.
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translation: you have ZERO facts to support your destroyed false claims and lies in your post so you deflect and try to use failed insults.

Doesn't help, your post fails and facts win again

If you disagree as always simply post any facts that support you in your next post, thank you.
 
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Kobie said:
I refuse to vote in this poll without options for my lean and where I'm from.

:2razz:
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LOL niiiiiiice
sorry but i prefer polls that dont instantly fail ;)
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Forced to perform SSM marriages. No.

Allowed to perform SSM marriages if they want to. Yes.

No one should be able to force anything on anyone else's religion or congregation that it doesn't want.
 
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countryboy said:
That's not what I asked. How does one determine what another person truly believes, in their heart? Is merely asking enough? Or hearing an alleged testimony? What if someone claims to be a follower of Jesus Christ, yet doesn't conduct themselves in a manner consistent with the teachings of Christ? Are they still a believer? People never lie?
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If you wish to debate me, then you should know that I am not fond of automatically giving people the answers that they want.

AGENT J said:
i know what you are doing and i am asking you for examples, thats all and still am?
I dont understand what you are saying your position is . . .

are you saying that any religious person that has lied (and lying is forbidden in thier religion) shouldnt be trusted? im not saying you are im simply asking because you havent made it clear what you mean
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Though you may be getting black-and-white on me, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just looking for clarity. I'll answer it with the repeated theme in the New Testament, that by the standard one judges, one shall be judged.

Bob Blaylock said:
What do you suppose makes Satan not a Christian? Satan knows who Jesus is, and he knows and fully understands Jesus' importance. By your definition, this would make him a Christian.

Satan knows what God's will is—probably better than any of us mortals do—and he strives to thwart and undermine it; and to lead as many of God's children as he can to do likewise. This, I say, makes him the most exact opposite of a Christian, and the opposite of an example of what is required of us if we wish to honestly identify as Christians.

I say that to be a Christian, one must not only know who Jesus is, and to acknowledge his role in our salvation; one must also sincerely try to follow Jesus' teachings and examples, and to act in support of God's will, and to encourage others to do likewise.
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Okay. What does that mean, "to acknowledge his role in our salvation"? Because whether you ask a Calvinist, Catholic, Baptist, Unitarian Christian, or nondenominational, you are going to get a very different answer. Which one's right? Who gets to decide what the definition of "Christian" is?

I think the second part of this highlighted sentence is closer to a workable response, FWIW.
 
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Phys251 said:
1.)If you wish to debate me
2.) then you should know that I am not fond of automatically giving people the answers that they want.
3.)Though you may be getting black-and-white on me, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just looking for clarity.
4.) I'll answer it with the repeated theme in the New Testament, that by the standard one judges, one shall be judged.
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1.) not trying to debate you, im simply asking you what you meant since you were unclear
2.) i want no answer, i want you to be clear what you meant because what you wrote doesn't make it clear lol
3.) good move since i am looking for clarity
4.) that doesnt really answer anything either but ok, i guess you werent looking to be clear
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

also for that vast minority out there that think this is possible and who try to compare it to the bakery, photographer cases etc

the huge common sense and obviously difference is, those were criminals that chose to break the law and or violate rights

the church is not a criminal and isn't breaking any laws or violating any rights :shrug:

it doesnt really get any more simply than this.

the chances of this happening is right up there with waking up tomorrow and sharia law being the law of the land in US
 
Re: Do you believe the idea of churches being forced to marry people is likely/ration

Rational: No
Likely: Yes
 
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