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Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?


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Just by the fact that you have to exclude violence, you have made my point. Take a look at dearborn.




I'm not trying to be a d*ck but I kind of don't have time to watch 23 minutes worth of videos. Can you summarize your point for me so I can respond to it?
 
I haven't the slightest idea how you interpret a passage telling people to submit to the authorities as being pro-freedom.

the question assumed a free society. If we submit to the authority of a free society....
 
Lol...another poll from the guy who is so politically blind that he only sees America as either left or right-leaning. There is no middle in his little world.

And he is asking about what a free society is.

:rofl:


A little advice pal...you might want to look at a calender...it's 2015...not 1955.
 
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the question assumed a free society. If we submit to the authority of a free society....

Then we make it less free by our example.

Keep in mind that one can only submit to a liberal government insofar as it is behaving in an illiberal way (demanding people do things).

Also note that no where does the Bible instruct us to agree with our government.
 
Lol...another poll from the guy who is so politically blind that he only sees America as either left or right-leaning. There is no middle in his little world.

And he is asking about what a free society is.

:rofl:

A little advice pal...you might want to look at a calender...it's 2015...not 1955.

but there isnt any other side apart from democrats and republicans
 
Then we make it less free by our example.

Keep in mind that one can only submit to a liberal government insofar as it is behaving in an illiberal way (demanding people do things).

Also note that no where does the Bible instruct us to agree with our government.

No we submit by consent not by demands
 
I'm not trying to be a d*ck but I kind of don't have time to watch 23 minutes worth of videos. Can you summarize your point for me so I can respond to it?

Cherry picked examples of Muslims behaving poorly is rock-solid evidence that all Muslims are bad people.
 
Christians do not submit only when they consent to the authority's existence.

We consent to the laws via electing representatives.... not sure of your point. Christians submit to that system while shaping that system with electoral activism
 
Lol...another poll from the guy who is so politically blind that he only sees America as either left or right-leaning. There is no middle in his little world.

And he is asking about what a free society is.

:rofl:


A little advice pal...you might want to look at a calender...it's 2015...not 1955.

Radical islamists think its the year 800.

Why are you so inflamed from the poll?
 
We consent to the laws via electing representatives.... not sure of your point. Christians submit to that system while shaping that system with electoral activism

Now I've lost your point. How is that supposed to mean that Christians should support liberal freedom?
 
Cherry picked examples of Muslims behaving poorly is rock-solid evidence that all Muslims are bad people.

Just the ones that do and approve of those things in the name of their religion and with the consent and encouragement of their religious leaders. About 8% of the 1.2 billion. no small number right?
 
I hate the way this poll is set up. Why is my political lean or nationality remotely relevant to the topic?
 
Just the ones that do and approve of those things in the name of their religion and with the consent and encouragement of their religious leaders. About 8% of the 1.2 billion. no small number right?

Got a source for that 8% figure?
 
Now I've lost your point. How is that supposed to mean that Christians should support liberal freedom?

"Choose this day who you will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the lord" sound familiar? The prophet says "choose.... who you will serve",this implies freedom.
 
"Choose this day who you will serve, as for me and my house we will serve the lord" sound familiar? The prophet says "choose.... who you will serve",this implies freedom.

Do you realize that the law of Moses punished Jews who worshipped false gods with the death penalty? That doesn't sound free to me.
 
Got a source for that 8% figure?

I can't remember exactly where on the pew site I got that 8% figure but here are some other fun facts from Pew: Focus on the converse, for example if 3/4 reject suicide bombing that would indicate the converse figure that 25% accept suicide bombing as good...

Extremism Widely Rejected

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Muslims around the world strongly reject violence in the name of Islam. Asked specifically about suicide bombing, clear majorities in most countries say such acts are rarely or never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies.

In most countries where the question was asked, roughly three-quarters or more Muslims reject suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilians. And in most countries, the prevailing view is that such acts are never justified as a means of defending Islam from its enemies. Yet there are some countries in which substantial minorities think violence against civilians is at least sometimes justified. This view is particularly widespread among Muslims in the Palestinian territories (40%), Afghanistan (39%), Egypt (29%) and Bangladesh (26%).

The survey finds little evidence that attitudes toward violence in the name of Islam are linked to factors such as age, gender or education. Similarly, the survey finds no consistent link between support for enshrining sharia as official law and attitudes toward religiously motivated violence. In only three of the 15 countries with sufficient samples sizes for analysis – Egypt, Kosovo and Tunisia – are sharia supporters significantly more likely to say suicide bombing and other forms of violence are at least sometimes justified. In Bangladesh, sharia supporters are significantly less likely to hold this view.

In a majority of countries surveyed, at least half of Muslims say they are somewhat or very concerned about religious extremism. And on balance, more Muslims are concerned about Islamic than Christian extremist groups. In all but one of the 36 countries where the question was asked, no more than one-in-five Muslims express worries about Christian extremism, compared with 28 countries where at least that many say they are concerned about Islamic extremist groups. This includes six countries in which 40% or more of Muslims worry about Islamic extremism: Guinea Bissau (54%), Indonesia (53%), Kazakhstan (46%), Iraq (45%), Ghana (45%) and Pakistan (40%). (For more details on views toward extremism, see Concern About Religious Extremism in Chapter 2: Religion and Politics.)
 
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?


What a weird poll is that?

Of course, radical Islam is NOT compatible with a free society.

The much more interesting questions are:

- how "moderate" is mainstream Islam?
- is mainstream Islam compatible with a free society?
- how large is the share of radical vs. mainstream vs. moderate Muslims among all Muslims?
 
What a weird poll is that?

Of course, radical Islam is NOT compatible with a free society.

The much more interesting questions are:

- how "moderate" is mainstream Islam?
- is mainstream Islam compatible with a free society?
- how large is the share of radical vs. mainstream vs. moderate Muslims among all Muslims?

Take a look at the poll results, some feel otherwise.

My polls are done for my purposes.
 
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