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Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?

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US Conservative said:
Im think I made myself pretty clear. You can go back and read at any time.
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no you did not you start off with radical Islam then you 1st post after that switches to Islam then you fed me some line about word police this is not a hard series of questions please just clarify what you mean if you would be so kind
 
Oh please.
Don't be ridiculous.
 
US Conservative said:
It could be argued that radical islam is actually true islam, and that the moderated version we see is the innovation.
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Riight. Have you even met a Muslim? :roll:
 
Is radical anything compatible with a free society?
 
Morality Games said:
The reproductive habits of women aren't an aspect of the human condition that are worth trying to govern very much. It can't be made to work.
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Are you trying to demonstrate my point?
 
US Conservative said:
It could be argued that radical islam is actually true islam, and that the moderated version we see is the innovation.
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Similarly the Lord's Resistance Army is true Christianity, and the moderated versions are new innovations. :roll:

The biggest difference in Christianity and Islam is that Christianity has been moderated much more over the last couple of hundred years.
 
US Conservative said:
Interesting so since you see Islam as incompatible with a free society, do you think steps should be taken to curtail it?
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The question was RADICAL Islam, not Islam generally.

What exactly do you mean by radical Islam?
 
Starting about 500 years ago Christianity slowly stopped being a theocracy.
Radical Islam is not so much a religion, as it is a political ideology with a religious component.
It can evolve into an actual religion, but not until it drops the political aspects.
 
US Conservative said:
It could be argued that radical islam is actually true islam, and that the moderated version we see is the innovation.
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It could be argued that the Westboro BC, Jerry Falwell, the KKK, the gay-hanging Christians of Uganda and Timothy McVeigh represent the true Christianity too. It would be a crap argument and brain-dead logic, but no more so than your argument.
 
Paleocon said:
Are you trying to demonstrate my point?
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Just informing you of a detail you don't seem to have thought through. Trying to govern the reproductive habits of women on the scale of hundreds of millions isn't plausible. There's no way it can be achieved at a logistical level without creating a police state.

Even if it was desirable or morally justified, it can't be done without resorting to various evils.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

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World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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I see that Dardania is on the map.

There is nothing even remotely similar to Islamic terrorism inside our country. Islamic fundamentalists are here, yes. There is tension between us and Serbs since 1999, yes. But no one is persecuting our minorities, the reason should be because there are Catholic as well as Orthodox Christian Albanian believers.
 
Paleocon said:
Are you aware that liberals support unborn whole-body mutilation? Both are bad, but one is certainly worse than the other.
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So if you had the power, you would happily swap abortion in this country with forced female genital mutilation?
 
Morality Games said:
There's no way it can be achieved at a logistical level without creating a police state.

Even if it was desirable or morally justified, it can't be done without resorting to various evils.
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Well.....considering the poster you're discussing this with....it would be a necessary evil.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

islammap2.jpg


World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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cyprus is an issue of greeks and turks ,not islamic
 
Morality Games said:
Just informing you of a detail you don't seem to have thought through. Trying to govern the reproductive habits of women on the scale of hundreds of millions isn't plausible. There's no way it can be achieved at a logistical level without creating a police state.

Even if it was desirable or morally justified, it can't be done without resorting to various evils.
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Yet somehow the state manages to "govern the reproductive habits of mothers of newborns", as you would say*, without creating a police state.

*I wouldn't say it that way, since I speak English well and know that "prohibit the murder of young children" does not have the same meaning as "regulate the reproductive habits of the mothers of young children".

Cardinal said:
So if you had the power, you would happily swap abortion in this country with forced female genital mutilation?
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No. Natural law doesn't work that way. One can't do evil to seek good.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

islammap2.jpg


World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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No, from a literal translation. Radical islam adhere's to their own non-free set of rules engaged from Sharia and the Koran. That is the opposite of free.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

islammap2.jpg


World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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Radical fundamentalism of any kind is not compatible with any free society. Religious tyranny is a sickness of the soul. Trying to curtail it as you say can only be done by marginalizing religious fundamentalism and treating it as a watch word, the same way we watch the KKK etc.
 
You site all these sources of how islam is holding back world peace today but systematically neglect to acknowledge how Catholicism and subsequent denominations were the reason for global instability for and have caused wars for ages. Since the 1000s Catholicism has caused violence and suffering. Now, for a fraction of that time, a different religion is causing similar problems and they are the most demonous people to have ever walked the earth. I certainly denounce the actions of these extreme Islamists, but to disregard the relevant past is unfortunate. Nobody ever questioned whether Catholicism was compatible with the world. If the world survived it since the 1000s, I think it can survive this as well.
 
Paleocon said:
Yet somehow the state manages to "govern the reproductive habits of mothers of newborns", as you would say*, without creating a police state.

*I wouldn't say it that way, since I speak English well and know that "prohibit the murder of young children" does not have the same meaning as "regulate the reproductive habits of the mothers of young children".



No. Natural law doesn't work that way. One can't do evil to seek good.
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Children have to be born in a hospital that has to report to the state. Reproductive rights are much closer to legal conditions of Prohibition, but worse. You can nominally ban it, but it just becomes like drugs or prostitution. Containable to certain neighborhoods but still a billion dollar industry nonetheless.
 
Forgive me if this seems a bit obvious but:

Radical [insert any ideology here] isn't going to be compatible with free society.
 
iacardsfan said:
You site all these sources of how islam is holding back world peace today but systematically neglect to acknowledge how Catholicism and subsequent denominations were the reason for global instability for and have caused wars for ages. Since the 1000s Catholicism has caused violence and suffering. Now, for a fraction of that time, a different religion is causing similar problems and they are the most demonous people to have ever walked the earth. I certainly denounce the actions of these extreme Islamists, but to disregard the relevant past is unfortunate. Nobody ever questioned whether Catholicism was compatible with the world. If the world survived it since the 1000s, I think it can survive this as well.
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I think there has been quite a bit of effort for religious leaders in modern times to comment on, and even apologize for past atrocities carried out under the banner of their religions.

However, what may be causing more concern today is the instantaneous global reach the tens of thousands of Islamic Radicals have available to them. In less than a day they can reach out to any point on the earth, and strike with catastrophic effect. While the world was certainly smaller during the crusades, societies on the other side of the globe were somewhat insulated. Today, nobody is truly safe, and the message is convert, or die.

That kind of message and desired result can't help but cause people to turn to members of that religion rightfully or not, and ask for an explanation.
 
US Conservative said:
2000 nigerians are believed killed today after a Boko Haram attack. Yesterday many died in Paris by local muslims. In france on new years day alone, nearly 1000 cars were burned by islamic "protestors". ISIS continues to flourish.

islammap2.jpg


World wide, the death toll continues to climb-whats clear is that the presence of islam often leads to violence, in fact many of the worlds current military conflicts involve islam in a significant way. We live in an international world, where relations between nations matter, and where many value a free society.

Is radical Islam compatible with a free society?
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Link pulease for the 2000 killed by Boko Haram in that attack?
 
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