Does Alan Dershowitz protest too much?

OrphanSlug said:

How many threads are we going to have on this tard?

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OrphanSlug said:

How many threads are we going to have on this tard?

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MildSteel said:

Mr Dershowitz should be thankful he is not a black NFL player now.

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OrphanSlug said:

Damn, there goes the under/over on this thread betting on how quickly you would make this about race.

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Amadeus said:

I don't know if he's being smart or stupid. He loses completely if there is any proof whatsoever of there being contact between the two.

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Prince Andrew's alleged under-age sex slave told how the duke 'didn't act very royally' around her, an ex-boyfriend has claimed.

Anthony Figueroa claimed Virginia Roberts never said anything good about the Duke of York, adding that she felt pressure to sleep with him from paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

The barman, now 32, who dated Miss Roberts at the time, when she was 17, said: 'She said she was scared because she didn't know how angry Jeffrey would get.

'When it came to the Prince, I didn't hear anything good. She said he wasn't acting very royally.'

In an interview with The Sun, Mr Figueroa claimed Miss Roberts called him from a mansion suggesting that Epstein was pressuring her into having sex with Andrew.

He said: 'He (Epstein) was being really pushy. She asked "How do you feel about it?" And I was like "Well obviously you know how I feel about it".'

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MildSteel said:

What does under/over mean with regards to betting?

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OrphanSlug said:

Look that part up yourself. When doing so keep in mind you had at least 2 threads, that I know of, where you tried to link what was happening with Dershowitz to other conditions using race as the factor of comparison.

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MildSteel said:

You forgot to add that I was successful. I stepped out to do some other things, and before I could respond to some of the objections by you and others, the last one was gone.

Don't feel like looking it up. Maybe when I am in the mood.

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OrphanSlug said:

In who's eyes were you successful?

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But you do not need to know–or even like–Dershowitz to be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that he is not guilty of the terrible crime of which he has accused in this tabloid scandal.
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abbi Shmuley Boteach, who is boldly hailed as “the most famous Rabbi in America, is calling on Jews to defend lawyer Alan Dershowitz against accusations that he sexually assaulted an underage girl. He was named in a lawsuit in conjunction with Prince Andrew and one of his former clients, New York money manager Jeffrey Epstein. The woman, Virginia Roberts, is now 30. She was 17 when the alleged sex acts occurred.

Shmuley asks, “Where are the Jewish leaders to rise to Dershowitz’s defense? He deserves our support. He deserves our solidarity. And he deserves our voice. You simply can’t have a situation where an individual spends his life defending his people and when he himself comes under attack he is abandoned.”

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For decades, Israel has found its most eloquent defender in Alan Dershowitz. It’s not only that he has the highest credibility as a world-renowned Harvard law professor and one of the great criminal defense attorneys—perhaps the greatest—of his generation. It’s also that he is just so good at being Israel’s advocate.
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There is no way any of us can know if any of this is true. But I believe Mr. Dershowitz, and not just because he denies it. Rather, it would seem that if any of this happened the woman in question would seek criminal charges against Mr. Dershowitz, or at the very least civil damages.

She has not. Rather, she has implicated him in a civil suit against someone else.

We are all mindful of women who are victims of sexual crimes and they must, of course, be protected. But the reputations of individuals who have devoted their lives to the greater good deserve consideration as well.

But establishing the truthfulness of these allegations is not the purpose of this column. Rather my purpose is to ask, Where are the Jewish leaders to rise to Mr. Dershowitz’s defense?
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I have always wondered at the Jewish community in times of scandal. We run from it like the plague.

Have we Jews not forgotten what we have traditionally been accused of? Killing God. Drinking the blood of Christian children. Poisoning the wells of Europe and starting the Bubonic plague. Funding and fomenting Europe’s wars for profit. Being complicit in our own annihilation in the Holocaust. Harvesting the organs of Palestinians. And, most recently, perpetrating a genocide of the Palestinian people.
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I would like to believe that, at the very least, what Alan Dershowitz deserves is the gratitude of his community. And that means that you stand up for a man when he is down, especially when not a shred of evidence has been brought against him.

You simply can’t have a situation where an individual spends his life defending his people and then when he himself comes under attack he is abandoned. That response lacks gratitude, it lacks integrity, it lacks decency, and it lacks values.
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MildSteel said:

You forgot to add that I was successful. I stepped out to do some other things, and before I could respond to some of the objections by you and others, the last one was gone.

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nota bene said:

Just as this thread will probably soon be.

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Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard University professor accused alongside Prince Andrew of having sexual relations with a teenage associate of their friend Jeffrey Epstein, was also involved in an effort to discredit a teenage girl who accused Epstein of rape.

Dershowitz, who strongly denies the allegations about his own conduct, recruited private investigators to carry out inquiries on the girl while acting for Epstein’s defence team and sent police printed copies of her MySpace page, claiming it displayed a “fascination with marijuana”.

The professor also suggested, in a letter obtained by the Guardian, that the girl may be pursuing Epstein, a wealthy banker, for his money, and that as a drama student, she was an expert in misleading people.
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According to police files, she told investigators that when she was 16, Epstein forcibly had sex with her on a table at his mansion in Florida while she screamed at him to stop, after she had given him a massage. She alleged that Epstein went on to make her have sex with Nada Marcinkova, another female Epstein associate.

AH told police that she suffered intimate injuries due to Epstein’s actions and that “she had difficulty walking to the car after leaving the house”. She said that Epstein paid her $1,000 and gave her a car soon after the alleged assault. A high school transcript for AH was found by police during a raid of Epstein’s mansion in Florida after allegations of abuse first surfaced.
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Dershowitz wrote to Detective Joseph Recarey of Palm Beach police in 2006 after AH alleged through her attorneys that one of the defence legal team’s private investigators had impersonated a police officer while carrying out their inquiries. Denying that claim, Dershowitz complained that when they confronted AH, the investigators in fact received a “barrage of profanity” from “what initially appeared only to be a young woman of slight build and soft demeanour”.

He claimed that the private investigators, Bill Riley and Steve Kiraly, were instructed beforehand to take a verbatim statement from AH “because we feared that she, an accomplished drama student, might try to mislead them as successfully as she had misled others”.

The professor, who was assisting Epstein’s defence team, also enclosed a printout of AH’s MySpace page, noting to the detective that she had “chosen to go by the nickname of ‘pimp juice’” and made reference to a marijuana habit. He wrote that the private detectives had also been asked to confirm what were “the extreme lengths she would go to, as she put it, ‘to be rich, no, I mean really, really rich.’”
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During Epstein’s term of “house arrest,” he made several trips each month to his New York home and his private Caribbean island. In the earlier stage of his sentence for soliciting prostitution with a minor—13 months in the Palm Beach Stockade—he was allowed out to his office each day. Meanwhile, Epstein has settled more than a dozen lawsuits brought by the underage girls who were recruited to perform “massages” at his Palm Beach mansion. Seven victims reached a last-minute deal last week, days before a scheduled trial; each received well over $1 million—an amount that will hardly dent Epstein’s $2 billion net worth.
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With that, the known victims of Epstein’s sexual compulsion have been officially silenced, and the case against him is closed unless new ones come forward. According to banking sources, he has been moving assets out of the U.S. and may well follow Polanski into a luxurious exile.

But the question remains: Did Epstein’s wealth and social connections—former President Bill Clinton; Prince Andrew; former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak; New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson; and former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers were just a few of the prominent passengers on his private jets—allow him to receive only a slap on the wrist for crimes that carry a mandatory 20-year sentence? Was he able, with his limitless assets and heavy-hitting lawyers—Alan Dershowitz, Gerald Lefcourt, Roy Black, Kenneth Starr, Guy Lewis, and Martin Weinberger among them—to escape equal justice?

Michael Reiter, the former Palm Beach police chief, certainly thinks so. He gave The Daily Beast exclusive access to the transcript of his nine-hour deposition for the victims’ civil suits, in which he explained how the case against Epstein was minimized by the State Attorney’s Office, then bargained down by the U.S. Department of Justice, all in an atmosphere of hardball legal tactics and social pressures so intense that Reiter became estranged from several colleagues. At the time, Reiter, who retired in 2009 and now runs his own security firm, objected both to Epstein’s plea agreement and to the flexible terms of his incarceration in the county jail rather than state prison. Asked during the deposition whether he thought Epstein received special treatment, he answered “yes.”
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For one, it was clear from the start that Epstein would spare no legal expense and that his team of veteran lawyers, whose cases ranged from O.J. Simpson to the investigation of Clinton’s relationship with an intern, would play rough. When the Palm Beach police started to identify victims, according to Detective Joe Recarey’s report, Dershowitz began sending the detective Facebook and MySpace posts to demonstrate that some of these girls were no angels. Reiter’s deposition also states that he heard from local private investigators that Dershowitz had launched background checks on both the police chief and Det. Recarey. Dershowitz denies all of that. According to Reiter, both he and Recarey also became aware that they were under surveillance for several months, without knowing who ordered it. And the Florida victims began to complain that they and family members were being followed and intimidated by private investigators who were then linked to local attorneys in Epstein’s employ. In one reported instance, the private investigator claimed to be a police officer, and Reiter considered filing witness-tampering charges.
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