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Is the left becoming more and more authoritarian?

Is the American left becoming more and more authoritarian?

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US Conservative said:
Vs standing in the puddle of virtue that is the left?
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... virtue is a practice that doesn't come naturally to humanity and is essentially a wilful and calculated effort against his own innermost tendencies toward self-aggrandizement and greed.

It's almost impossible to make for an individual to muster enough will power and conscious effort to become a better person. Most humans who switch from bad to good do so because they "grow" out of it and lose interest with age.

Ideologies of any kind bring out the worst feelings of entitlement and delusion in human beings. There's no reason for them to exist. If anything good ever happens because of them, its more or less an accident.
 
Morality Games said:
... virtue is a practice that doesn't come naturally to humanity and is essentially a wilful and calculated effort against his own innermost tendencies toward self-aggrandizement and greed.

It's almost impossible to make for an individual to muster enough will power and conscious effort to become a better person. Most humans who switch from bad to good do so because they "grow" out of it and lose interest with age.

Ideologies of any kind bring out the worst feelings of entitlement and delusion in human beings. There's no reason for them to exist. If anything good ever happens because of them, its more or less an accident.
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Sounds like a very negative view.
 
US Conservative said:
Sounds like a very negative view.
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It's the result you would expect. Human beings as a species judge things good or bad by their own inner metric and fallible wisdom, which is based mostly on the self-interest and the demands of the present moment, not the good of all and eternity.

"A person may think their own ways are right, but the LORD weighs the heart." (Proverbs 21:2)

Everything about our history suggests this is true.
 
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Glen Contrarian said:
Copy a quote, paste it into your search bar, and google it. They're all quite genuine.

Or is that too complicated for you?
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Based on that response, I will assume that you were pulling it out of your hat. If you can't back up what you accuse.....You should not accuse.
 
ObamacareFail said:
Based on that response, I will assume that you were pulling it out of your hat. If you can't back up what you accuse.....You should not accuse.
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In other words, either it was too complicated for you, or you are too afraid to actually look for stuff that might call your particular worldview into question.

“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”

To an African-American caller: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”

"The days of them not having any power are over, and they are angry. And they want to use their power as a means of retribution. That’s what Obama’s about, gang. He’s angry, he’s gonna cut this country down to size, he’s gonna make it pay for all the multicultural mistakes that it has made, its mistreatment of minorities."

"Obama's plan is based on his inherent belief that this country was immorally and illegitimately founded by a very small minority of white Europeans who screwed everybody else since the founding to get all the money and all the goodies, and it's about time that the scales were made even. And that's what's going on here. And that's why the president is lawless, and that's why there is no prosecution of the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, because it's not possible for a minority to intimidate the white majority."

"I think Obama thinks of himself as above the job. I don't think he likes the job as much as he thought he was going to like it. I don't think he likes the White House. I think he looks at the White House as confining. I think one of the reasons all these vacations is he gets outta there. He and his wife do not like living there. To them the White House is not a great place of honor, it's a prison, and a lot of presidents have felt that it's a prison, but to them it's like some African-Americans, "Fourth of July ain't no big deal to me, yo." Well, the White House, to a lot of African-Americans, is the same thing."

"It is clear that Senator Obama has disowned his white half, that he's decided he's got to go all in on the black side."

Okay? Those are all separate links. Is that simple enough for you?
 
SocialDemocrat said:
"But your side did it too!" is not a legitimate justification of your position.
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Its worth noting that Obama and the left is actually worse in this regard-because they are hypocrites as well-they ran against it, cried about it-and then not only prevented its sunset but expanded it.
 
US Conservative said:
Its worth noting that Obama and the left is actually worse in this regard-because they are hypocrites as well-they ran against it, cried about it-and then not only prevented its sunset but expanded it.
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Russ Feingold was the only Democratic senator, let alone the only senator to vote against the original PATRIOT Act, so claiming that the Democratic Party, which, according to sources you provided earlier in the thread, is not a left-wing party, actively fought against it when they were the opposition is not true. It's worth noting that is very possible for someone to politically not fit into the definitions of left-wing or right-wing.

I'm going to engage in a circle-jerk about which party is worse on the subject of government surveillance when they are both just so terrible on the issue in question. Don't try to place the blame on Democrats for something both parties supported so you can feel okay about the fact that Republicans created the PATRIOT Act. Acknowledge the flaw within your party as I have.
 
SocialDemocrat said:
Russ Feingold was the only Democratic senator, let alone the only senator to vote against the original PATRIOT Act, so claiming that the Democratic Party, which, according to sources you provided earlier in the thread, is not a left-wing party, actively fought against it when they were the opposition is not true. It's worth noting that is very possible for someone to politically not fit into the definitions of left-wing or right-wing.

I'm going to engage in a circle-jerk about which party is worse on the subject of government surveillance when they are both just so terrible on the issue in question. Don't try to place the blame on Democrats for something both parties supported so you can feel okay about the fact that Republicans created the PATRIOT Act. Acknowledge the flaw within your party as I have.
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The head of the democrat party prevented the sunset of the Patriot act, and then expanded it. Spin that. :2wave:
 
US Conservative said:
I agree they have a long history of authoritarianism, but its getting more overt and more extreme.
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I could agree that they are more successful at accomplishing their aims. I just feel the desires are no more or less extreme.
 
US Conservative said:
We hear from lefties how anyone who disagrees with them are racists, sexists, bigots, homophobes, etc-in other words modern lefty versions of the word heretic. The left declares what speech is appropriate (PC). They force Americans to engage in interstate commerce. They have also become increasingly violent, reference the recent officer involved shootings, occupy, etc. All with no new ideas-just rhetoric to explain their policy failures.

There have even been calls to arrest those who disagree with them on global warming... Arrest Climate-Change Deniers

We are told (by them) that "the debate is over". :doh

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Is the left becoming more and more (nakedly) authoritarian?
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Yes, the left used to be all about social issues, now it's "buy into our agenda or we will crush you"

That said, the right is also authoritarian, and to a degree, the left and right are only different on the irrelevant issues... But on truly important matters they always act in bipartisan ways.

Take bush -> obama. It might as well have been like a relay race where bush made it to the end of his run and hands the baton to obama who keeps running on the same track... Except with left cover he's got away with far more than bush could have ever dreamed.
 
US Conservative said:
But only one side ran against it, claimed to despise it, and then renewed it. So they aren't equivocal. :2wave:
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And today, many Republicans are campaigning against the PATRIOT Act despite the fact that their party signed it into law. There is no need to establish which party is worse on a certain issue when their positions are virtually the same.

equivocal

[ iˈkwivəkəl ]

ADJECTIVE

open to more than one interpretation; ambiguous:

"the equivocal nature of her remarks"

synonyms: ambiguous · indefinite · noncommittal · vague · imprecise ·
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Pretty sure that's not what you meant...
 
US Conservative said:
The head of the democrat party prevented the sunset of the Patriot act, and then expanded it. Spin that. :2wave:
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The head of the Republican party CREATED the Patriot act and swore to us that it was absolutely needed to protect us. The same President that created Abu Garab and condoned torture of prisoners for the first time in our history for the very same reason.
Are you saying that Bush lied to us about the act, that it was not absolutely needed to protect this country? That is serious because then Obama must have fallen for that lie. It's too bad nobody told him about what a liar Bush was. Maybe all that torturing was just for fun then too.

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SocialDemocrat said:
And today, many Republicans are campaigning against the PATRIOT Act despite the fact that their party signed it into law. There is no need to establish which party is worse on a certain issue when their positions are virtually the same.



Pretty sure that's not what you meant...
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The law signed in by Bush would have sunsetted, it hasn't because of democrats. Seems like a remarkable dichotomy.
 
iguanaman said:
The head of the Republican party CREATED the Patriot act and swore to us that it was absolutely needed to protect us. The same President that created Abu Garab and condoned torture of prisoners for the first time in our history for the very same reason.
Are you saying that Bush lied to us about the act, that it was not absolutely needed to protect this country? That is serious because then Obama must have fallen for that lie. It's too bad nobody told him about what a liar Bush was. Maybe all that torturing was just for fun then too.

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If it was so bad why did Obama prevent its sunsetting and then expand it? Care to explain?
 
US Conservative said:
The law signed in by Bush would have sunsetted, it hasn't because of democrats. Seems like a remarkable dichotomy.
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The evidence would suggest otherwise, considering that many congressional Republicans voted for PATRIOT Act expansion. The Bush Tax Cuts also had an expiration date, that doesn't mean that Republicans supported letting it expire.

There is no point in arguing that your party is better on an issue where the party leadership holds the same positions on a certain issue, and your partisan insistence on claiming that the Democrats are worse in order to claim a moral high ground you don't have is asinine.
 
US Conservative said:
If it was so bad why did Obama prevent its sunsetting and then expand it? Care to explain?
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You didn't answer my question so why would I answer yours?
Did Bush Lie when he swore that the Patriot act was absolutely necessary for the countries safety?
If he didn't then you have your answer.
 
iguanaman said:
You didn't answer my question so why would I answer yours?
Did Bush Lie when he swore that the Patriot act was absolutely necessary for the countries safety?
If he didn't then you have your answer.
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Weak and intellectually lazy equivocation, who saw that coming?
 
Glen Contrarian said:
In other words, either it was too complicated for you, or you are too afraid to actually look for stuff that might call your particular worldview into question.
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The way it works in political discussion, sport...is if you make accusations, you are supposed to back them up. In your case, you threw out the accusations and then when questioned, asked me to do your homework for you.



“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”
Click to expand...

To an African-American caller: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”
Click to expand...

"The days of them not having any power are over, and they are angry. And they want to use their power as a means of retribution. That’s what Obama’s about, gang. He’s angry, he’s gonna cut this country down to size, he’s gonna make it pay for all the multicultural mistakes that it has made, its mistreatment of minorities."

"Obama's plan is based on his inherent belief that this country was immorally and illegitimately founded by a very small minority of white Europeans who screwed everybody else since the founding to get all the money and all the goodies, and it's about time that the scales were made even. And that's what's going on here. And that's why the president is lawless, and that's why there is no prosecution of the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, because it's not possible for a minority to intimidate the white majority."

"I think Obama thinks of himself as above the job. I don't think he likes the job as much as he thought he was going to like it. I don't think he likes the White House. I think he looks at the White House as confining. I think one of the reasons all these vacations is he gets outta there. He and his wife do not like living there. To them the White House is not a great place of honor, it's a prison, and a lot of presidents have felt that it's a prison, but to them it's like some African-Americans, "Fourth of July ain't no big deal to me, yo." Well, the White House, to a lot of African-Americans, is the same thing."

"It is clear that Senator Obama has disowned his white half, that he's decided he's got to go all in on the black side."
Okay? Those are all separate links. Is that simple enough for you?
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Obviously it's too complicated for you. The only comment I found controversial was the "bone in the nose". And you quotes that from "wiki-quotes". No thinking person is going to take that seriously. Regarding the rest of the quotes, I doubt that you researched them enough to grasp the context.....especially in regards to Holder not prosecuting the Black Panthers who were intimidating voters in one election.
 
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