Sarah Palin Posts Photos of Son Trig Using Family Dog as a Step Stool[W:122]:

Crosscheck · Jan 4, 2015

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vesper said:
I didn't know of any Kardashian was a politician. Try again.

Really, that's it. Somewhere out there is a junior high missing their debate team captain.

X Factor · Jan 4, 2015

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Dragonfly said:
I greatly prefer to see the scenario swapped around. Dogs standing on people.

Now that's ok. My girls walk all over me, both literally and figuratively.

Middleground · Jan 4, 2015

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Kal'Stang said:
Sure, but only because I don't post on Facebook. I play some games on it and that's the extent of my FB life. I personally think that its stupid no matter who/what you are to post pretty much anything on FB.

But I was pointing out that, unlike yourself, -- who is well aware that what your kid did was not cool, but cute enough for a pic nonetheless -- she did not have the common sense to understand that people might get offended if posted on a media site. Pretend you're a Facebook junkie... would you have posted this?

Kal'Stang · Jan 4, 2015

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Middleground said:
But I was pointing out that, unlike yourself, -- who is well aware that what your kid did was not cool, but cute enough for a pic nonetheless -- she did not have the common sense to understand that people might get offended if posted on a media site. Pretend you're a Facebook junkie... would you have posted this?

Bold: Who cares if people are offended? People do not have a right to not be offended.

Now, if I was a FB junkie, then yes I prolly would post it for the simple fact that 1: It is cute in its own way and 2: I'm a (pretend) facebook junkie. FB junkies post anything and everything.

vesper · Jan 4, 2015

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Crosscheck said:
Really, that's it. Somewhere out there is a junior high missing their debate team captain.

Thank you Crosscheck you just proved me right, again. First Palin and now me. Aim those comments personally at an individual, and never at acts you supposedly find so outrageous.

Kal'Stang · Jan 4, 2015

Me thinks that someone is playing with the polls again.

eohrnberger · Jan 4, 2015

This is a non-issue. Really it is.

If the dog wasn't comfortable laying there, he's just stand up, and Trig would land on his ass. (Ask me how I know).

If there are some people who are outraged, they need to re-examine what well behaved and well trained dogs do when they don't like something, they walk away or make some noise, both demonstrating they don't like what's going on.

The fact that the dog is putting up with Trig standing on him clearly demonstrates that it's not bothering the dog.

SheWolf · Jan 4, 2015

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If you are defending Palin and believe she has the same mindset you express to hold below, then she wants to attacked and flamed. If you apply commonsense to what you are saying, it's ignorant on your part to defend her in being attacked because she is getting what she wants. Attention.

But the difference between you and Palin is that she is a public figure, and if she posted the photo knowing it would create a public discussion and knowingly put her son in the middle of negative attention, then she's a total failure at being a pubic figure and a parent. She shouldn't use her children to bring negative attention to herself. That is infuriating to me.

Who knows what the truth is. As I said earlier, I'd be more kind and forgiving if this was a innocent mistake on her part and she lacked the commonsense to know it would create controversy. That's better than using your kid to garner attention, negative attention for yourself at that.

Kal'Stang said:
Bold: Who cares if people are offended? People do not have a right to not be offended.

Now, if I was a FB junkie, then yes I prolly would post it for the simple fact that 1: It is cute in its own way and 2: I'm a (pretend) facebook junkie. FB junkies post anything and everything.

Kal'Stang · Jan 4, 2015

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SheWolf said:
If you are defending Palin and believe she has the same mindset you express to hold below, then she wants to attacked and flamed. If you apply commonsense to what you are saying, it's ignorant on your part to defend her in being attacked because she is getting what she wants. Attention.

But the difference between you and Palin is that she is a public figure, and if she posted the photo knowing it would create a public discussion and knowingly put her son in the middle of negative attention, then she's a total failure at being a pubic figure and a parent. She shouldn't use her children to bring negative attention to herself. That is infuriating to me.

Who knows what the truth is. As I said earlier, I'd be more kind and forgiving if this was a innocent mistake on her part and she lacked the commonsense to know it would create controversy. That's better than using your kid to garner attention, negative attention for yourself at that.

Except of course you're assuming that I'm actually trying to defend her. :shrug: I'm not. And I'm also not assuming why she posted that pic beyond the most obvious, she thought it was cute and wanted to share it. I'm not going to automatically assume the worst. You can if you like. But I'm not that type of guy.

SheWolf · Jan 4, 2015

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I said that we don't know what the truth is, so I am not choosing to assume the worst.

If Palin had commonsense to know it she would get some criticism for the photo, but wanted to share for the cuteness value, she should have also had the commonsense to express that in the photo details. Something like, "Saw Trig standing on the dog, which is a no no, but it's to cute too not take a photo of and share with you all. Happy New Year!" Instead she posted the photo with a write up about how proud she was of Trig's ingenuity to turn stumbling blocks into stepping stones.

Kal'Stang said:
Except of course you're assuming that I'm actually trying to defend her. :shrug: I'm not. And I'm also not assuming why she posted that pic beyond the most obvious, she thought it was cute and wanted to share it. I'm not going to automatically assume the worst. You can if you like. But I'm not that type of guy.

AGENT J · Jan 4, 2015

X Factor said:
Sarah Palin Posts Photos of Son Trig Using Family Dog as a Step Stool - Kids & Family Life, Pet News, Sarah Palin : People.com

Pic is at the link (which I'll include). So why put this in Polls? I'm curious if the story, to put it bluntly, pisses you off because I gotta admit, as an animal fan, most especially dogs, it kinda pisses me off. Not at the kid, of course, but I know, if it were me, I'd teach my kid to not stand on the family dog.

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hmmm piss me off?

no

but i do think its VERY stupid

the dog doesnt seem to mine but its dumb because he should be taught better and this COULD be asking for an incident in where the dog will probably be judged and no the poor teachings of the adults. Its just very stupid :shrug:

Peter King · Jan 4, 2015

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Palin responded by saying that when Ellen Degeneres showed a similar picture she did not get the criticism.

Well, mrs. Palin, the child on the Ellen picture was 1. a lot younger and 2. not her child (from what I know).

And FYI mrs. Palin, you whine about that Ellen Degeneres Show picture that " Did you get all wee-wee’d up when she posted this sweet picture?", you, Mrs. Palin were telling lies yet again because in the first responses to that Ellen picture you can find

Not cool! This is promoting irresponsbile behavior. Children should learn that dogs are not horses to ride nor are they stepping stools. Not only can the dog be injured but the child from the dog getting up quickly if it hears something or gets startled. Not to mention that this dog may tolerate this behavior today but what about next time? This kid is being taught that it is ok to walk on a dog. What if she were to try that with another dog? There are so many things wrong with this picture and then sharing it as if it were cute, irresponsible on so many levels.

All you people saying the dog would move: I am a dog trainer. This is why I get people coming to me saying "My dog bit out of the blue!" No, your dog finally stopped tolerating it!

I'm so disappointed that this would end up on this page The Ellen DeGeneres Show...This is HOW children end up being bitten...What happens when this child starts to get heavier and the dog gets older?! The dog has a sore back and the child climbs on top of him? He turns around and snaps and he ends up in a shelter or put down. Dogs cannot use their words, all they have is actions. This is irresponsible dog ownership. You never know when the dog will get fed up. THIS IS NOT CUTE!

This isn't funny or cute. The dog is not happy. This is how dogs end up biting and then you hear the parents say "I don't understand what happened, they dog was always a good dog and then they just snapped". Typically a family dog doesn't "just snap" for no reason. It is a parents responsibility to teach their children as early as possible how to behave around dogs and other animals. Dog bites are preventable a lot of the time. Be a responsible pet guardian. I know a lot of people think it's no big deal but it could be a matter of life or death for the for the child and definitely for the dog and at the very least an injured child with a fear of dogs... but the dog always gets put down. .. and for certain breeds they end up banned and hated and bsl laws put in place which solve nothing. This is not cute.

This is extremely dangerous behavior to be promoting. Not only a huge bite risk to innocent children, but a dog is not built to be stood on like a draft horse. Very sad to see this here.

To stop dog bites on kids, parents need to learn this isn't ok! Your precious son or daughter gets bit because Fluffy sprained his back and now you blame the dog for lashing out! Shame. Completely preventable circumstances!

I am so disappointed to see this shared on your page, Ellen. Not only is this dangerous but it's very unsafe. A dog's back is not made to withstand this pressure and our canine companions should never have to tolerate being climbed on, sat on, pulled on or used as a toy; no matter how tolerant they are. This is how children end up bit and then we blame the dogs who suffer quarantine, or worse, euthanasia. Please remove this picture and consider posting one that shares information about proper child and dog interaction.

Oh my.....I love you Ellen and because I do I need to let you know that for those of us who work with dogs this is not cute or funny. The facial expression on this dog alone is enough to tell anyone that he or she isn't comfortable, it also doesn't teach children safe ways to behave around dogs nor does it teach them to respect animals, this maneuver allowed on a less patient dog could have dire consequences for both the child and the dog, further more the weight of this child on what appears to be a middle aged dog is just plain cruel and could cause physical damage. As a fan of yours and as someone who works with dogs every day could I please ask that in the future you maybe take a second look at what's really going on in the photo before you post it and not just what most people perceive as fun and cute.

Even in the first 50 responses there is negative comment after negative comment so all you complainers (yes, that includes Palin herself too), you are totally wrong when you say that if a liberal did this she would not get negative comments. Ellen got loads of them when she posted a picture of a much smaller child on the back of a dog. And that child was not even her own child.

Kal'Stang · Jan 4, 2015

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SheWolf said:
I said that we don't know what the truth is, so I am not choosing to assume the worst.

If Palin had commonsense to know it she would get some criticism for the photo, but wanted to share for the cuteness value, she should have also had the commonsense to express that in the photo details. Something like, "Saw Trig standing on the dog, which is a no no, but it's to cute too not take a photo of and share with you all. Happy New Year!" Instead she posted the photo with a write up about how proud she was of Trig's ingenuity to turn stumbling blocks into stepping stones.

Perhaps she should have added that. But she didn't. Doesn't mean that she didn't chastise him for standing on the dog though. Nor does it mean that she was condoning the act.

As for getting criticism, maybe she just doesn't care? I wouldn't. There are always naysayers no matter what is done or not done.

SheWolf · Jan 4, 2015

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Kal'Stang said:
Perhaps she should have added that. But she didn't. Doesn't mean that she didn't chastise him for standing on the dog though. Nor does it mean that she was condoning the act.

As for getting criticism, maybe she just doesn't care? I wouldn't. There are always naysayers no matter what is done or not done.

She's being criticized for appearing to not chastise him, and for appearing to think the photo was nothing but cute and inspiring and see nothing wrong with the situation. If she did chastise him, you think she would share that with the nay-sayers to shut them up now OR she could have done it before when she posted the photo and avoided this all together.

Why would a person having all the concerns you're suggesting she may have had when the photo was taken, take zero steps to avoid such an easily avoided fiasco on her part?

All of your suggestions and what ifs don't pan out, and, honestly, her photo don't bother me as much as your silly arguments do.

Kal'Stang · Jan 4, 2015

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SheWolf said:
She's being criticized for appearing to not chastise him, and for appearing to think the photo was nothing but cute and inspiring and see nothing wrong with the situation. If she did chastise him, you think she would share that with the nay-sayers to shut them up now OR she could have done it before when she posted the photo and avoided this all together.

That bold and underlined part right there. They're criticizing her for an APPEARANCE. They don't know that she did or didn't chastise Trig. I find that to be foolish. Maybe she didn't do so because she feels that chastising a child openly isn't the correct thing to do? I know that for me, I will take my kids aside and privately chastise them. I don't embarrass them by openly doing such.

Plain fact of that matter is that they are assuming that she didn't. The only thing I have done is provide examples of possibilities where she probably did and why she might not have posted such a chastisement on the interwebz. Why have I done this? Because everyone else seems to be focused on the negatives so I'm given options that they either A: didn't consider or B: are too partisan to consider.

SheWolf said:
Why would a person having all the concerns you're suggesting she may have had when the photo was taken, take zero steps to avoid such an easily avoided fiasco on her part?

Which concerns is that? I do have CRS so you might need to remind me but I don't recall giving any concerns. I've given examples of what might have occurred or not occurred. But I don't remember any concerns.

SheWolf said:
All of your suggestions and what ifs don't pan out, and, honestly, her photo don't bother me as much as your silly arguments do.

Why don't any of my examples pan out? Because she didn't post something that you thought she should have? All for the sake of appearances? That seems just as silly to me as you seem to think my arguments do.

SheWolf · Jan 4, 2015

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Again, I am not so much as angered or annoyed by Palin's actual photos as I am by the absurdity of your arguments, excuses, and what if's. You're full of excuses. It doesn't matter if it's Palin or anybody else who is a public figure. If you post something in a public forum and your posts have been discussed on the national news, then you should expect people to talk about your photo including how you handled the situation beyond that photo.

I don't expect her publicly chastise her children. That's ridiculous and would only serve to humiliate and embarrass the child.

Instead, I am saying if Palin thought it was wrong he stood on the dog (as you suggest) and admonished him private (as you suggest), then she could simply express her opinion publicly such as, "I wasn't happy to see Trig standing on the family dog, but as a mom, I thought it was cute and had to take a picture and shared it." And that would end the entire controversy.

That would be reasonable. That would be acceptable IMO. I don't think think she needs to do or say anything beyond that. She doesn't need make a huge ass apology on FB, donate money to an animal shelter, or chastise Trig publicly.

But everything you suggest as a possibility doesn't seem to reflect her actual opinion on Trig standing on the dog, and we see that in her response and management of this issue on her FB page. And again, I don't care so much that Palin isn't managing this very well. It's expected of her IMO. What I find more irritating than the actual photos is your excuse upon excuse and never ending stream of hypotheticals and more excuses.

Sorry if that's offensive, but I am being honest.

Kal'Stang said:
That bold and underlined part right there. They're criticizing her for an APPEARANCE. They don't know that she did or didn't chastise Trig. I find that to be foolish. Maybe she didn't do so because she feels that chastising a child openly isn't the correct thing to do? I know that for me, I will take my kids aside and privately chastise them. I don't embarrass them by openly doing such.

Plain fact of that matter is that they are assuming that she didn't. The only thing I have done is provide examples of possibilities where she probably did and why she might not have posted such a chastisement on the interwebz. Why have I done this? Because everyone else seems to be focused on the negatives so I'm given options that they either A: didn't consider or B: are too partisan to consider.

Which concerns is that? I do have CRS so you might need to remind me but I don't recall giving any concerns. I've given examples of what might have occurred or not occurred. But I don't remember any concerns.

Why don't any of my examples pan out? Because she didn't post something that you thought she should have? All for the sake of appearances? That seems just as silly to me as you seem to think my arguments do.

jamesrage · Jan 4, 2015

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Peter King said:
That is just nonsensical to the extreme.

1. if this would have been from a nobody it most likely would not have made the media but if the child of Obama had done this, the child of Brad Pitt/Jolie would have done this it would have been just as big an issue for most people, just as big an issue as it is from Palin.

2. you are totally lying when you are saying that only people who hate Palin would give a crap about this photo, I do not hate Palin but I give a crap about this picture and many people feel the same way.

Maybe it is the other way around, only people who love Palin are stating that this photo is not an issue because out of a misplaced love/respect for Palin they are justifying or making this less of an issue because of Palin, not because of what has happened on these pictures.

Well, stepping on a dog is unacceptable. Riding on dogs is most often not the right thing to do, pulling of tails, giving them people's candy/chocolate etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. is not the right thing. Just because you think Palin is being attacked for who she is rather than what her child did, does not mean that what her child did was right or what you state is what children do to animals.

Children should be taught not to pull ears, tails, give them candy and all other bad things do to pets, it does not need to be minimized because you like Palin.

Palin might be the greatest woman on earth to you, but that does not mean that this is acceptable behavior.

If someone like Wim Kok, a man who I respect greatly as a great leader and politician would have posted something like this on facebook I would have crucified/been very negative towards him.

This is not a political issue about Palin, this is an animal welfare issue and nothing more.

I seriously doubt you would have given a **** if the photo had no name attached to it.You die hard anti-Palin extremists have a unhealthy obsession and hatred of the woman. So stop pretending that it is something other than those things why you care. Again if child was hurting the dog the dog will let the child know.Kids do this sort of thing all over the country with large pets.The most tolerant kid friendly pet will not put up with a child seriously hurting it. They will bite the child, run away, growl, yelp or something else.

Mycroft · Jan 4, 2015

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jamesrage said:
I seriously doubt you would have given a **** if the photo had no name attached to it.You die hard anti-Palin extremists have a unhealthy obsession and hatred of the woman. So stop pretending that it is something other than those things why you care. Again if child was hurting the dog the dog will let the child know.Kids do this sort of thing all over the country with large pets.The most tolerant kid friendly pet will not put up with a child seriously hurting it. They will bite the child, run away, growl, yelp or something else.

You're wasting your time.

These Palin-haters will never admit that it's about them. They will come up with the dumbest excuses to deflect...to make it about her...when the reality is that she hasn't done anything different than any other person, politician or talking head. It's all about being on the Hate-Palin bandwagon.

Just a bunch of herd animals.

Linc · Jan 4, 2015

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jamesrage said:
I seriously doubt you would have given a **** if the photo had no name attached to it.You die hard anti-Palin extremists have a unhealthy obsession and hatred of the woman. So stop pretending that it is something other than those things why you care. Again if child was hurting the dog the dog will let the child know.Kids do this sort of thing all over the country with large pets.The most tolerant kid friendly pet will not put up with a child seriously hurting it. They will bite the child, run away, growl, yelp or something else.

It was a conservative who started the thread.
Why do you think that is the case ?

Mycroft · Jan 4, 2015

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NIMBY said:
It was a conservative who started the thread.
Why do you think that is the case ?

Plenty of conservatives have joined the Hate-Palin herd.

jamesrage · Jan 4, 2015

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NIMBY said:
It was a conservative who started the thread.
Why do you think that is the case ?

Many die hard republican party-tards think she caused McRino to loose in 2008.

Peter King · Jan 4, 2015

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jamesrage said:
I seriously doubt you would have given a **** if the photo had no name attached to it.You die hard anti-Palin extremists have a unhealthy obsession and hatred of the woman. So stop pretending that it is something other than those things why you care. Again if child was hurting the dog the dog will let the child know.Kids do this sort of thing all over the country with large pets.The most tolerant kid friendly pet will not put up with a child seriously hurting it. They will bite the child, run away, growl, yelp or something else.

Die hard Palin extremists? I am sorry but that is rich coming from what I would expect is a die hard Palin lover.

Are you except incredibly rude (you call me a liar) also incredibly bad at reading. I do not hate Palin, I think she is a dumb woman with extremist views who is totally unfit to run the United States or the free world, but I do not hate her. I know, hating someone you disagree with is very normal in the US political system but as said I do not live in such a system, I don't even hate Geert Wilders, a person who's political opinions I dislike even more than most of Palin's political views.

I care about dogs, I care about children but I do not care for pictures of children who stand on the back of a dog. Clear enough for you. I could care less if this was a picture posted by the dalai lama himself, there is no justification for standing on a dog's back like that. I do not care if this was the son of Palin or the child of Elvis Presley when she was young, wrong is wrong. And I was not aware that you a mind reader for dogs nowadays. Because there is no way on earth you can tell from a picture whether or not it is uncomfortable for the dog because allowing it does not mean it is not hurting the dog, just not hurting it enough to growl or bite the child is not "not hurting".

I do not know if the dog hurt, but you cannot state for certain that it did not hurt. Standing on a dog is stupid and the stupidity here is not from the child (it probably does not know it is not supposed to) but of the parents and I could give a flying crap whether or not that was Palin or Obama or any other person.

Linc · Jan 4, 2015

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X factor was against standing on a dog.
I voted for Palin in this poll and supported her posting the picture in my original post.

But since then, she's now trashing Obama for eating dogs !

jamesrage said:
Many die hard republican party-tards think she caused McRino to loose in 2008.

Linc · Jan 4, 2015

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And my original post had compassion for a parent of a Down Syndrome child and the joy Palin felt seeing him smile ad 'step up'.
Since I am not in her shoes, she gets the benefit from me.

But not for her later comments trashing Obama for eating dogs.

Mycroft said:
Plenty of conservatives have joined the Hate-Palin herd.

Mycroft · Jan 4, 2015

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NIMBY said:
And my original post had compassion for a parent of a Down Syndrome child and the joy Palin felt seeing him smile ad 'step up'.
Since I am not in her shoes, she gets the benefit from me.

But not for her later comments trashing Obama for eating dogs.

Oh...Obama has been a charter member of the Palin-Haters, too.

But, face it...the Palin-Hater herd started on HER the day she was nominated for VP, so talking about what SHE said about Obama is pathetic.

Sarah Palin Posts Photos of Son Trig Using Family Dog as a Step Stool[W:122]:

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Yeah, it really does

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