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Have you Read Dreams From My Father By Barack Obama?

Amadeus said:
What strawman argument? Do you even know what a strawman is? I would suggest you drop the attacks and deliver a point, if you have one.
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Yes, the original argument you replied to was a sweeping generalization (dictor simplicitor). Yes, you put words into my mouth and built your strawman argument by responding as if I had said that only moderates had the capacity to be open-minded or rational. I am assuming you didn't remove the remainder of the quote and that I had edited it for clarity after you started your response; I think the rest of the post you quoted provides enough information so as to have avoided this outcome.
 
Amadeus said:
I would just like to point out how amusing it is that people think they're being 'moderate' or 'non-partisan' by hating on Bush and Obama equally. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Bush led you into war under false pretenses, Obama gave you health insurance coverage. If you think they're equally bad presidents, you're not a moderate under any theory.
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I find it amusing you assume that people "hate" them both equally. Just because someone expresses dislike about Bush and Obama at the same time does not mean they are disliked in equal amounts. However, I also think it is naive and illogical to assume that someone can't be a moderate if they dislike Obama's policies as much as or more than Bush's. Strikes me as a sort of "no true Scotsman" statement.
 
pbrauer said:
Sorry, but being wrong doesn't equate to a lie. A lie is knowing the truth but saying something else in order to deceive.
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Yeah right. Do you say the same thing when a republican lies?
 
Amadeus said:
No, a liberal extremist would be someone who embraces and pushes liberal policies. Obama has pushed centrist-left policies domestically, and center-right polices militarily.
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I LOL on that.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Yes, the original argument you replied to was a sweeping generalization (dictor simplicitor).
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Okay. Not my argument. Continue.

Yes, you put words into my mouth and built your strawman argument by responding as if I had said that only moderates had the capacity to be open-minded or rational.
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I have no idea who you are. You called me a close-minded pull-string doll. I responded by educating you that moderates don't have a lock on open-mindedness or rationality.

I am assuming you didn't remove the remainder of the quote and that I had edited it for clarity after you started your response; I think the rest of the post you quoted provides enough information so as to have avoided this outcome.
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Sorry, I don't go back and read people's posts after I read them, in order to catch their edits. You are not special to me. I do not give you that level of attention.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
I find it amusing you assume that people "hate" them both equally.
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I don't assume. Many people have said so, claiming to be moderate.

However, I also think it is naive and illogical to assume that someone can't be a moderate if they dislike Obama's policies as much as or more than Bush's. Strikes me as a sort of "no true Scotsman" statement.
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Maybe I am naive. I operate under the assumption that people dislike multi-trillion dollar wars based on lies, costing thousands of American lives, more than anything Obama has done.
 
Amadeus said:
Okay. Not my argument. Continue.

I have no idea who you are. You called me a close-minded pull-string doll. I responded by educating you that moderates don't have a lock on open-mindedness or rationality.

Sorry, I don't go back and read people's posts after I read them, in order to catch their edits. You are not special to me. I do not give you that level of attention.
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Please go back and read it. It's not personal. I was simply answering your question. I didn't realize that clarifying his remarks would offend you. Your response(s) played exactly into how he was portaying you and I responded with sarcam before editting my message with the intention of clarifying that I hold no ill-will against you.
 
countryboy said:
Only someone to the left of Chairman Mao would think that. :roll: You do realize this isn't Europe, right? Just checking.
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Please explain what Obama has done that put his in the "very liberal" category then....

--Oh and to answer the question. No I have not read it, nor do I plan on it. Also never got the some people on the right with their obsession about this book... I mean a lot of right wing conspiracy theorists uphold it as proof that Obama is some sort of "socialist, nazi, communist, muslim" or something...--
 
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I did not ask, if you think Obama is a liberal or not. I asked if you read his book. Please stop hijacking this thread for that discussion. You can say however, that you felt no need to read it because you expect nothing else from him, so why bother reading it. The next person can then go out to his book and point out factual information inside the book to prove the other person wrong. It is clear from this thread that no one has read the book, so really you cannot do the last part. Just say you didn't read the book. That's all I care about on this thread!!! That's how you can stay on topic in this discussion going forward.

Thank you and play fairly.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Please explain what Obama has done that put his in the "very liberal" category then....

--Oh and to answer the question. No I have not read it, nor do I plan on it. Also never got the some people on the right with their obsession about this book... I mean a lot of right wing conspiracy theorists uphold it as proof that Obama is some sort of "socialist, nazi, communist, muslim" or something...--
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Can I ask why you didn't read it?

I am aware of, and I am not sure if those right wingers have read it or not my guess is that they probably didn't and that I am probably the only registered member of my party that has. So I am just wondering with your political persuasions why you didn't.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
It has absolutely NO appeal for me. First, the title is meaningless, ..."dreams FROM my father...?

Second, too many contenders write books...my first was Kennedy's "Advise and Consent" a boring, lugubrious affair seemingly intended to make Jack look like a brilliant lawmaker instead of a spoiled playboy. They are usually no more than brag sheets.

I tend not to read autobiographies at all, and read biographies instead.

The rushes published in the media were boring and showed me enough; Obama uses the word "I" far too much, misleads, over sells himself and is the biggest egotist I've experienced through 12 presidents. Why would anyone read more boasting and self promotion?
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Thanks for actually answering my question and staying on topic. I really hate reading mindless off topic political noise on forums. Though, I admit, I thought Obama's book was halfly that myself! But at least you talked about books in your response. Some of these, :roll:
 
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Amadeus said:
I think someone on this forum struggled to count six lies, the biggest lie being that you get to keep your health insurance (which was actually the doing of the health insurance companies trying to meet the new minimum standards for coverage).

That's hardly pathological, especially when compared to previous presidents.
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This thread is not to disprove someone's opinion that Obama lies. This thread is asking the question of whether or not people have read Obama's book. You didn't answer the question in your first post here. Did you read it or not?
 
ModerateGOP said:
Is this politifact about Obama's book only?? NO! Please stay on topic and answer the question. Thanks. But I believe I already know your answer based on your profile hehe :2wave:
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That post was a direct response to someone who claimed it was a struggle to find six lies from Obama, in general. Simply not true.
 
countryboy said:
That post was a direct response to someone who claimed it was a struggle to find six lies from Obama, in general. Simply not true.
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I don't care, and your still not answering the question. Would you like to for the record?
 
ModerateGOP said:
I don't care, and your still not answering the question. Would you like to for the record?
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Why would I read a book by Obama? What possible benefit could it have? I've never read The Communist Manifesto either.
 
I haven't read it, but I have seen the book. Would you recommend it? Is it a good read, interesting, revealing, or is boring and bland?

ModerateGOP said:
I have never heard anyone on this forum, other than myself admit to having read Obama's book on his earlier life pre-Presidency.

So have you actually read it cover to cover? Not just what you've heard about it on Fox News blurbs?

EDIT: For some reason this didn't take me to the poll section...
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countryboy said:
Why would I read a book by Obama? What possible benefit could it have? I've never read The Communist Manifesto either.
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I have never read a book by a politician, but presidential candidates always write one. I am considering reading them in the future, as a way to learn more about both candidates, their lives, and their beliefs. I think it's good to be informed about who are voting for...
 
SheWolf said:
I have never read a book by a politician, but presidential candidates always write one. I am considering reading them in the future, as a way to learn more about both candidates, their lives, and their beliefs. I think it's good to be informed about who are voting for...
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It is good to be informed about who we vote for. That doesn't mean we need to read their crappy books. Reading someone's autobiography may not be the best way to learn the truth.
 
ModerateGOP said:
I have never heard anyone on this forum, other than myself admit to having read Obama's book on his earlier life pre-Presidency.

So have you actually read it cover to cover? Not just what you've heard about it on Fox News blurbs?

EDIT: For some reason this didn't take me to the poll section...
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I don't read books written by famous people - because the odds are strong that they didn't actually write it.

I will read reputable biographies though.
 
countryboy said:
It is good to be informed about who we vote for. That doesn't mean we need to read their crappy books. Reading someone's autobiography may not be the best way to learn the truth.
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I know it may not be the best way, but it could be very informative. It is supposed be their own words of course, so that is important. Recently I came up with this idea, and think I should try at least once and see how it goes. I think that maybe, the books will be extremely boring... :shrug:
 
My sister owns the book and offered it to me to read. She received the book when she met him in Springfield Illinois. I declined her offer to borrow it.

When he was the senator of Illinois I remember his voting record and how little he did for this state. I have no use for him or his book. I am not interested in any stories about his father or his history. Most politicians are pretty un interesting to me.

If it's helps, I have also never read any books on Bush.
 
ModerateGOP said:
I have never heard anyone on this forum, other than myself admit to having read Obama's book on his earlier life pre-Presidency.

So have you actually read it cover to cover? Not just what you've heard about it on Fox News blurbs?

EDIT: For some reason this didn't take me to the poll section...
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I've read it and it was a pretty self-serving work. Lot's of self-aggrandizement.
 
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