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Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?

Does owning a hand gun for protection make you more safe or less safe?


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Close to "all of the above" . IMO, if a man has a good set up and is KNOWN to be proficient with the weapon, then more safe.. But, a "good set up " involves have the gun ready to fire within a second's notice.. which can backfire.
I feel that there are better systems of self defense, involving NO guns .
One :: true, complete and absolute gun control
Two :: police sworn to benefit the public
Three :: a government system that actually cares for all the people
Maybe by the year 2050 , not today , not even close
 
I wonder what the lady who was shot and killed by her two year old son would say about this. :roll:
 
I wonder what the lady who was shot and killed by her two year old son would say about this. :roll:

This comes probably from some man she knew. You hear of Republicans or Libertarians meeting women and taking them to firing-ranges to "try something new", and from there who knows, a bit of idealism spit out into here ear and the woman is Annie Oakley. And they call me an Idealist for sticking up against the holocaust waged against Latin Americans, as if it were a youthful endeavor to wish your own nation would not aid tyranny abroad. And yet these patriotic nitwits are ten times more blindly idealistic than me, as they fight for corporate interests but consider the activity to be manifest destiny and proof of America's greatness. Based on what I know, I would say the USA is at least controlled by a Fascist Shadow Government.
 
Close to "all of the above" . IMO, if a man has a good set up and is KNOWN to be proficient with the weapon, then more safe.. But, a "good set up " involves have the gun ready to fire within a second's notice.. which can backfire.
I feel that there are better systems of self defense, involving NO guns .
One :: true, complete and absolute gun control
Two :: police sworn to benefit the public
Three :: a government system that actually cares for all the people
Maybe by the year 2050 , not today , not even close

A gun may protect your from insane republicans. If I got a gun, I'd probably use it to assasinate Republicans and rightwing Libertarians and become known as the Libertarian Serial Killer, systematically targeting important libertarians and economists with a sniper rifle.
 
Neither. The owning of a gun means nothing in reguards to one's safety. It is the knowledge and skill in its use that is the determining factor. In the case of one of my sisters, she is safer for owning a sword than in owning a gun (she owns both). Her sword skill is much higher and she's actually disarmed an intruder with the flat of her blade once. I have friends who can takes hairs off of flies at 300 yards (to use the traditional hyperbole) with guns. They are safer for owning their guns. Me? Not so much. I keep my rifle at my dad's where I can target shoot if I feel like it. My cell phone is what makes me safer.
 
I would consider using hand-grenades, in the case that I have to go to the Mercatus Center or something Libertarian Think Tank like CATO, and in that case it would be easy to kill a lot of them merely by throwing a grenade into the front office or while they are having a meeting. Timed explosive devices could also be useful in getting rid of a Koch industry project like Libertarianism.

A handgun would only be good for close range, like if you have broken into the home of a Libertarian economist and have got the bastard pinned down with the handgun pressed crudely against his head. After that, all you have to say is "Here is your austerity!" then pull the trigger and the blood and brains of the Libertarian economist would spray out opportunistically red like the Red Khmer, Kissinger of Death, the bald pate of some would-be Milton Friedman flipped off like a lid from the explosion of the bullet.

After that, you can merely use your foot to kick the corpse.
 
This comes probably from some man she knew. You hear of Republicans or Libertarians meeting women and taking them to firing-ranges to "try something new", and from there who knows, a bit of idealism spit out into here ear and the woman is Annie Oakley. And they call me an Idealist for sticking up against the holocaust waged against Latin Americans, as if it were a youthful endeavor to wish your own nation would not aid tyranny abroad. And yet these patriotic nitwits are ten times more blindly idealistic than me, as they fight for corporate interests but consider the activity to be manifest destiny and proof of America's greatness.
Based on what I know, I would say the USA is at least controlled by a Fascist Shadow Government.



Based on what you have said here it sounds like you know little about the USA and it's government.

I have one question for you: If the USA is such a terrible place why are so many people struggling to come here? :roll:

Fill us in.
 
Based on what you have said here it sounds like you know little about the USA and it's government.

I have one question for you: If the USA is such a terrible place why are so many people struggling to come here? :roll:

Fill us in.

The USA puts austerity plans onto the whole world through World Bank and IMF and Libertarian economics with CIA operations to remove leaders that are ebenficial to normal people. Like in Mexico, you saw an increase in immigration after NAFTA had sent so much subsidized agriculture into Mexico. Farmers couldnt compete. Unfortunately you are not mature enough to weigh the facts of American policies. That's why historically you saw more immigrants from Europe, but as we sent more austerity policies into the developing world, we have gained a reverse immigration from these lands.

Austerity policies sound good if you are a Libertarian economist and work behind a desk in a university, or some crazy Republican, but its a fact that normal people run from austerity. And if the USA continues to back apparent fascist patrician type people overseas, and the way its run stateside, I think there are elements of oligarchial fascism operating as normal democracy.
 
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I would consider using hand-grenades, in the case that I have to go to the Mercatus Center or something Libertarian Think Tank like CATO, and in that case it would be easy to kill a lot of them merely by throwing a grenade into the front office or while they are having a meeting. Timed explosive devices could also be useful in getting rid of a Koch industry project like Libertarianism.

A handgun would only be good for close range, like if you have broken into the home of a Libertarian economist and have got the bastard pinned down with the handgun pressed crudely against his head. After that, all you have to say is "Here is your austerity!" then pull the trigger and the blood and brains of the Libertarian economist would spray out opportunistically red like the Red Khmer, Kissinger of Death, the bald pate of some would-be Milton Friedman flipped off like a lid from the explosion of the bullet.

After that, you can merely use your foot to kick the corpse.

there is no shame in seeking help with mental diseases...
 
These days you need a gun to kill Republicans and conservatives. I dont feel safe without one. It may turn into open-season on Republicans.
 
The USA puts austerity plans onto the whole world through World Bank and IMF and Libertarian economics with CIA operations to remove leaders that are ebenficial to normal people. Like in Mexico, you saw an increase in immigration after NAFTA had sent so much subsidized agriculture into Mexico. Farmers couldnt compete. Unfortunately you are not mature enough to weigh the facts of American policies. That's why historically you saw more immigrants from Europe, but as we sent more austerity policies into the developing world, we have gained a reverse immigration from these lands.

Austerity policies sound good if you are a Libertarian economist and work behind a desk in a university, or some crazy Republican, but its a fact that normal people run from austerity. And if the USA continues to back apparent fascist patrician type people overseas, and the way its run stateside,
I think there are elements of oligarchial fascism operating as normal democracy
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Believe whatever you want to believe, but I don't see what you claim to see.

And you didn't actually answer my question: If the USA is such a terrible place why do so many people struggle to come here?

BTW: I would report you to the FBI, but I suppose they already have you under surveillance.




"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers
 
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Believe whatever you want to believe, but I don't see what you claim to see.

And you didn't actually answer my question: If the USA is such a terrible place why do so many people struggle to come here?

BTW: I would report you to the FBI, but I suppose they already have you under surveillance.


"The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen." ~ Tommy Smothers

Over the years, reasons change, and so do methods. Why do do many immigrants try to get into western europe? Or if as the rightwing Americans so, Europe is a bad socialist commie place, why dont all the Europeans try to escape from this failed social democracy known as the E.U. into the USA, where it is so great?

People now only come from developing nations, places where the IMF loans have through usury exacted a toll of privitization of resources such as water (See Bolivian water wars), and also the World Bank and IMF exact Libertarian style austerity cuts to healthcare, etc, and force massive deforestation in order to pay back the debt. In the Philipines, the forest used to save them from Typhoons. Now since the World Bank cut the payback for their usury, Philipines is one of the most deforested areas of Southeast Asia.

Typhoon Haiyan shows the dangers of deforestation | Forests Climate Change

Now people will want to immigrate to Europe, Canada, or the USA. This is only one of the many policies overseas that might cause incoming immigration. The Libertarian policies freeze wages for these people.

Mexico's wages were frozen by the world bank loans. Imagine you are a Mexican and you are a big corn producer, that is your main product, and NAFTA begins sending subsidized midwestern corn and destroys your farms. In order to get the World Bank Loans, Mexico freezes wages.

http://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/subsidizing-inequality-mexican-corn-policy-nafta-0
 
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reasons change, and so do methods. Why do do many immigrants try to get into western europe? Or if as the rightwing Americans so, Europe is a bad socialist commie place, why dont all the Europeans try to escape from this failed social democracy known as the E.U. into the USA, where it is so great?

People now only come from developing nations, places where the IMF loans have through usury exacted a toll of privitization of resources such as water (See Bolivian water wars), and also the World Bank and IMF exact Libertarian style austerity cuts to healthcare, etc, and force massive deforestation in order to pay back the debt. In the Philipines, the forest used to save them from Typhoons. Now since the World Bank cut the payback for their usury, Philipines is one of the most deforested areas of Southeast Asia.

Typhoon Haiyan shows the dangers of deforestation | Forests Climate Change

Now people will want to immigrate to Europe, Canada, or the USA. This is only one of the many policies overseas that might cause incoming immigration. The Libertarian policies freeze wages for these people.

Mexico's wages were frozen by the world bank loans. Imagine you are a Mexican and you are a big corn producer, that is your main product, and NAFTA begins sending subsidized midwestern corn and destroys your farms. In order to get the World Bank Loans, Mexico freezes wages.

Subsidizing Inequality: Mexican Corn Policy Since NAFTA | Wilson Center



I don't care about any of the people you are crying for and don't have time to worry about them.
 
Either we have a lot of sarcastic poll participants, or DP is at a significant variance to the US public. 60% of Americans think having a gun will make you more safe, not less.


IMO it varies greatly depending on factors like police response times, local crime rates, proper storage procedures, and individual ability to handle weapons safely. On the balance, I'd say it is more likely to cause harm than not, but probably not by much.

If you live in a nice suburb with a low crime rate and a good response time, having a gun probably isn't going to make you more safe. Possibly less, since it's yet another thing which can cause major harm accidentally, or can facilitate suicide attempts.

If you live in a rural area with a moderate- or high crime rate, and police response times are low, and you know how to handle firearms, I'd say it's possible you'd be more safe. Of course, in those types of situations crime might still be the least of your worries, since (non-firearm) accidents are a serious health & safety challenge in those environments. E.g. if you're using a band saw and cut something serious (or if you have a heart attack), and it takes 20-30 minutes for an EMT to arrive, you're in a much worse position than if you live in a city and it takes 10 minutes for the EMT's to show up.

If you happen to have suicidal tendencies, having a gun in the house will almost certainly make you less safe. (If you don't have any suicidal impulses, owning a gun won't cause you to have them, so this isn't a problem for most people.)
 
I live very close to housing projects and around a lot of little gangster types but I dont own a gun. I also hear gunshots coming sometimes from these projects where 100% African Americans live. My building is more mixed and has criminal background checks before they rent, but also is very African American oriented. Most of the hallways in my building have for some reason African American children black and white photos from the 1950s and 60s. All I have a is a wooden baseball bat and I dont even own a car. I just track-bike everywhere. If there is danger, I go into "ready to die or fight" mode. I have the ability to shirk off fear of death. I had cancer once and accepted death, then they cured it. I think because I wasnt afraid of death, it didnt kill me.

Interesting about immigration now though eh? Its like before immigrants came for a better life or religious freedom, stuff the USA wasnt involved in. We werent limiting their freedom of religion in Europe. It was Europe doing that. Today though, the reasons for immigrating are that we are creating austerity situations in their lands. In other words, its as if we are taking away religious freedom from them in England in order to force them to immigrate here where we offer it. Who knows, maybe that was the deal the USA had with England all along, like exporting corn to mexico, force immigration.
 
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(This thread is not about the 2nd Amendment or banning guns, its about personal choices.)

Depends. If you take the time to learn how to use a firearm appropriately, to store it reasonably, to educate yourself and your family about them; then it can reasonably increase your safety. If you're reckless and stupid, it'll decrease safety.
 
Depends. If you take the time to learn how to use a firearm appropriately, to store it reasonably, to educate yourself and your family about them; then it can reasonably increase your safety. If you're reckless and stupid, it'll decrease safety.

I agree with this. If you know what you're doing, it can protect you from home invaders.
 
#1: I'm not going to drop dead.

#2: I'm American trash scum, not Euro trash scum! :roll:

Doing some colonization over there in europe? I figured you were American,I was just calling you euro trash to insult your national identity as an american abroad. After all, I live in and am from e very land that you. Cling to overseas for your identity. It must bother you that I live here. Americans abroad are assholes.
 
Doing some colonization over there in europe? I figured you were American,I was just calling you euro trash to insult your national identity as an american abroad. After all, I live in and am from e very land that you. Cling to overseas for your identity. It must bother you that I live here.
Americans abroad are assholes.



Some people are assholes no matter where they choose to live. :roll:

I'll let you reflect on that for a while.
 
Doing some colonization over there in europe? I figured you were American,I was just calling you euro trash to insult your national identity as an american abroad. After all, I live in and am from e very land that you. Cling to overseas for your identity. It must bother you that I live here. Americans abroad are assholes.

Americans abroad are why England and France aren't colonies of the Third Reich. My late great uncle got Knighted by Holland or Denmark (he died years ago and I cannot remember exactly) for work as a MM Captain sailing through the WolfPacks to bring arms to those fighting the Nazis. Lots of Americans are buried abroad after dying in Europe or the Pacific to keep the world free
 
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