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Do you support the NYPD work stoppage?

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The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for more serious offenses have dropped by 2/3rds.


NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.


[h=1]Arrests plummet 66% with NYPD in virtual work stoppage
http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/[/h]
[h=1]The NYPD's Insubordination—and Why the Right Should Oppose It[/h]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/why-the-right-should-oppose-the-nypds-flagrant-insubordination/384140/


[h=1]NYPD Reportedly in ‘Virtual Work Stoppage’ Over de Blasio Rift
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/nypd-in-work-stoppage-over-de-blasio-rift.html[/h]


Do you support the NYPD work stoppage?
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

The numbers in their next paycheck should drop by 66%.

From the Atlantic article you provide:

Credit savvy police union misdirection. They're turning conservatives into their useful idiots.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for more serious offenses have dropped by 2/3rds.

NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.

Arrests plummet 66% with NYPD in virtual work stoppage
Arrests plummet 66% with NYPD in virtual work stoppage | New York Post



The NYPD's Insubordination—and Why the Right Should Oppose It

The NYPD's Insubordination

NYPD Reportedly in ‘Virtual Work Stoppage’ Over de Blasio Rift
NYPD in




Do you support the NYPD work stoppage?

Given that the NYPD has adopted 'wartime policing' in which they are dispatching double the man power for every call out, is this really any sort of surprise?

A work stoppage?
Has the NYPD declared a strike? Don't think so.
Have there been reports of large numbers calling in sick? The blue flu? Don't think so.

Is it really a work stoppage? Doesn't seem to be to me. Why does it seem to be to you?
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Given that the NYPD has adopted 'wartime policing' in which they are dispatching double the man power for every call out, is this really any sort of surprise?

A work stoppage?
Has the NYPD declared a strike? Don't think so.
Have there been reports of large numbers calling in sick? The blue flu? Don't think so.

Is it really a work stoppage? Doesn't seem to be to me. Why does it seem to be to you?

Because police officers have said that's what they are doing - and because it is obvious by the statistics.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for more serious offenses have dropped by 2/3rds.


NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.


[h=1]Arrests plummet 66% with NYPD in virtual work stoppage
http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/[/h]
[h=1]The NYPD's Insubordination—and Why the Right Should Oppose It[/h]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/why-the-right-should-oppose-the-nypds-flagrant-insubordination/384140/


[h=1]NYPD Reportedly in ‘Virtual Work Stoppage’ Over de Blasio Rift
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/nypd-in-work-stoppage-over-de-blasio-rift.html[/h]


Do you support the NYPD work stoppage?

No, I don't support the NYPD in this matter. They are saying that if we don't let them kill people, they will kill NYC's cash cow, parking and traffic tickets. I think the Mayor should claim it has caused a cash shortfall and lay off about 25% of the NYPD due to lack of funds. You have to fight fire with fire.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

It will be interesting to see how this breaks along partisan lines.

Conservatives are split. Some support-the-blue no matter what, including police unions no-matter-what. Others oppose a government employee union having it's members both drawing pay while also refusing to do their job for a political agenda.

Liberals also will likely split. Work stoppage as a retaliation against protesters and to break a liberal mayor would seem unacceptable, but the work stoppage is pro-union.
 
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No, I don't support the NYPD in this matter. They are saying that if we don't let them kill people, they will kill NYC's cash cow, parking and traffic tickets. I think the Mayor should claim it has caused a cash shortfall and lay off about 25% of the NYPD due to lack of funds. You have to fight fire with fire.

The mayor should just fire them and then stand on the governor to activate the National Guard, which the Cuomo would pretty much have to concede on if NYC had no police force.

Then send the National Guard to all of the cops's homes to sweep them for illegal weapons and magazines.

Will never happen, of course, but God I would love to watch it.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

I suspect that at first New Yorkers will mostly support the police, but if it continues public sentiment will turn against them quickly.

What does the NYPD want? An apology from the mayor? A promise no NYPD officer will ever be brought before a grand jury? Authorizing clubbing down protesters? That every NYCer sign a pledge of loyalty to the police? They all want III full military body armor with full auto M16s? An armored car for all officers?

What - exactly - are the demands?
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Given that the mayor and other race baiting douchebags have done their best to vilify cops and in light of the recent videos we've seen posted of minor police/citizen interactions involving citizens screaming I CANT BREATHE and HANDS UP!...I HAVE MY HANDS UP!!!, I'd say if the cops are taking a step back in their policing that is probably a really good decision.
 
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Because police officers have said that's what they are doing - and because it is obvious by the statistics.

Now that, I've not heard. If they declare it, then yeah, it's a work stoppage, and if it can be considered as a strike, then I believe it would be an illegal strike, as I recall that PD and FD can't strike, due to their public safety function.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

This seems much like what happens when budget cuts occur - the executive stops providing the most visible services but all gov't employees still get paid. The odd thing, in this case, is that the mayor has little recourse to correct what is happening on his watch short of admitting that he was moronic to make this into a political (racial?) issue from day one. It will be interesting to see how long this lasts. Meanwhile the prosecutors can now actually try the cases that they do get, which should reduce the use of plea deals to greatly reduced charges.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

I wonder what would happen if law abiding, pro-police people held their own march down MLK Blvd., protesting black violence/crime?

Naw.....

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Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

I wonder what would happen if law abiding, pro-police people held their own march down MLK Blvd., protesting black violence/crime?

There would be law abiding, pro-police black people joining them
 
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There would be law abiding, pro-police black people joining them

I think you're right. I see more and more black folks speaking out about the problems they face created by their own race. But not enough.

Their people would call them "Uncle Tom's" for stepping up and taking responsibility. It's easier to just blame Whitey.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Given that the NYPD has adopted 'wartime policing' in which they are dispatching double the man power for every call out, is this really any sort of surprise?

A work stoppage?
Has the NYPD declared a strike? Don't think so.
Have there been reports of large numbers calling in sick? The blue flu? Don't think so.

Is it really a work stoppage? Doesn't seem to be to me. Why does it seem to be to you?

The reason police are required to have back up while conducting things like traffic stops or small searches, is because of the frequency of them being killed in routine traffic stops when backup wasn't present. It happens so frequently they have to have back up. That's how ridiculous people are. Killing cops at frigging traffic stops.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for more serious offenses have dropped by 2/3rds.


NYPD traffic tickets and summonses for minor offenses have dropped off by a staggering 94 percent following the execution of two cops — as officers feel betrayed by the mayor and fear for their safety, The Post has learned.


[h=1]Arrests plummet 66% with NYPD in virtual work stoppage
http://nypost.com/2014/12/29/arrests-plummet-following-execution-of-two-cops/[/h]
[h=1]The NYPD's Insubordination—and Why the Right Should Oppose It[/h]http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/why-the-right-should-oppose-the-nypds-flagrant-insubordination/384140/


[h=1]NYPD Reportedly in ‘Virtual Work Stoppage’ Over de Blasio Rift
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/12/nypd-in-work-stoppage-over-de-blasio-rift.html[/h]


Do you support the NYPD work stoppage?

Where do they say that they are doing a slowdown for the sake of a slowdown?

From the article you linked:

Angry union leaders have ordered drastic measures for their members since the Dec. 20 assassination of two NYPD cops in a patrol car, including that two units respond to every call.

It has helped contribute to a nose dive in low-level policing, with overall arrests down 66 percent for the week starting Dec. 22 compared with the same period in 2013, stats show.

...“This is not a slowdown for slowdown’s sake. Cops are concerned, after the reaction from City Hall on the Garner case, about de Blasio not backing them.”

Would I support a police strike or a slowdown as a protest? No, not ever.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Makes perfect sense to me. Given the situation in NYC, why risk a major confrontation or worse over a misdemeanor offense?
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Makes perfect sense to me. Given the situation in NYC, why risk a major confrontation or worse over a misdemeanor offense?

Why let some thugs intimidate police? That's ridiculous.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

I couldn't respond positively to the poll because every option seemed to have a bias or condition that I didn't support.

Anyone who's lived in North America in the last century has been inconvenienced by a collective "work to rule" initiated by one union group or another who has a beef with their employer. Why should the police be any less "entitled" to such action?

It does create an interesting dynamic, however. Those who most oppose police using such tactics are likely also those who most support collective bargaining and unions in general. Those who most support the police action in this situation are likely to have little use for unions in a general sense.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Why let some thugs intimidate police? That's ridiculous.

Asking police to enforce tax laws in NYC is pretty ridiculous, too. Remember, it's not either of us who's tasked with taking the flak that might arise for writing a parking ticket for someone with a chip on his or her shoulder, and looking for an incident to exploit. Once a police officer initiates enforcement of such a minor offense, the reaction of the apprehended citizen is largely beyond the police officer's control, as in the Garner case. It's better to focus on the real dangerous offenders in which the enforcement effort is more appreciated.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

I wonder what would happen if law abiding, pro-police people held their own march down MLK Blvd., protesting black violence/crime?

Naw.....

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They could carry signs and chant "Black lives matter! Black lives matter!"
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Asking police to enforce tax laws in NYC is pretty ridiculous, too. Remember, it's not either of us who's tasked with taking the flak that might arise for writing a parking ticket for someone with a chip on his or her shoulder, and looking for an incident to exploit. Once a police officer initiates enforcement of such a minor offense, the reaction of the apprehended citizen is largely beyond the police officer's control, as in the Garner case. It's better to focus on the real dangerous offenders in which the enforcement effort is more appreciated.

You may be right, not claiming you're wrong. However, in my opinion, a law is a law. I think an officer has every right, and SHOULD, enforce any laws they witness being broken. However, the officers want to lax up a bit and just enforce bigger laws, I'll support it. I just don't want them doing it in fear of the savages that murder cops. I want them to do it for the citizens of their district.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

Given that the NYPD has adopted 'wartime policing' in which they are dispatching double the man power for every call out, is this really any sort of surprise?
The "wartime policing" is, in fact, their slowdown tactics.

Go read it again. Not doing the small stuff, requiring lots of officers to respond, etc etc.


A work stoppage? Has the NYPD declared a strike? Don't think so.
Think again. They're engaged in a work slowdown.

By the way, the police union is also actively engaged in, yes, collective bargaining with the city over their contracts and pay.


Is it really a work stoppage? Doesn't seem to be to me. Why does it seem to be to you?
Because the union sent out a memo basically telling officers to slow down, in order to gum up the works.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

The reason police are required to have back up while conducting things like traffic stops or small searches, is because of the frequency of them being killed in routine traffic stops when backup wasn't present.
I'm sorry, but that's insanely wrong.

The NYPD hasn't lost an officer in a traffic stop since 2007. In fact, the NYPD hadn't lost an officer since 2011, until this month.

It's a work slowdown. There's really no doubt about it.

By the way, policing is not actually that dangerous. It's difficult and stressful, but doesn't even crack the top 10 most dangerous professions in the US.
 
Re: The NYPD has essentially stopped writing traffic and parking tickets. Arrests for

You may be right, not claiming you're wrong. However, in my opinion, a law is a law. I think an officer has every right, and SHOULD, enforce any laws they witness being broken. However, the officers want to lax up a bit and just enforce bigger laws, I'll support it. I just don't want them doing it in fear of the savages that murder cops. I want them to do it for the citizens of their district.

True, the laws are there for a reason. However, why should the NYC police force risk turning the city upside down with more protests which place police officers in higher danger all for the sake of writing minor traffic tickets and such in light of the reaction to the Garner incident? It's not a matter of fear. It's all about police protecting themselves from further racial tensions so that they can do their most essential jobs with necessary assets to get it done. If Joe Blow doesn't get a traffic ticket for going 40 in a 25 mph zone, no real harm is done - except that the city doesn't get the revenue and the courts aren't clogged up with junk. Besides, you and I both know that even if Joe Blow gets that ticket, two weeks from now he'll be doing 40 in the 25 mile zone again anyway - just like Garner had already been convicted 9 times for the very same thing that did him in.
 
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