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Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?

Did the NYPD do the right thing by turning their backs on the mayor?


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Ask yourself why cops constantly violate a US citizen's first and fourth amendments to the United States Constitution, then get back to me with something which makes sense.

First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Freedom of speech and freedom of press. So how, exactly, are the cops violating this?

Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unreasonable search and seizure. So how, exactly, are the cops violating this?

Given the 'Activist' Attorney General Role that Holder sees as his, if there are such constitutional rights violations being committed by cops, you'd think that he'd be on top of it in a hot second. Having not seen or heard of these actions by the DOJ, it would seem reasonable that they aren't occurring, and if they are occurring, they are in such small numbers as to not have a DOJ enforcement priority under the basis of 'prosecutorial discretion', that we've heard so much about in recent months in the Immigration political / kabuki theater.

Making such bold claims puts the onus on you to prove that it is as you claim.
 
The targeting of cops is being fed by an irrational animus that is fed by self-serving political animals who use it for money, influence, and power. Mayor DeBlasio is one of those, and has absolutely thrown the people who have a right to expect his support under the bus, choosing to feed the animus rather than strengthen the system, with detrimental results both for the police force and the populace.

However, uniformed police officers have no business making political statements for or against. You're not going to find much love for the POTUS in the military, either, but that does not change the fact that they should avoid any public display of disrespect.

I agree. The NYPD leaders and de Blasio need to settle this and right quick, before something even worse explodes onto the scene, and makes the two sides even more intractable.

You can see how it's already getting worse, and quickly so.

‘Traitor’ de Blasio booed at Police Academy graduation | New York Post

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio Booed at Police Graduation Ceremony - ABC News
 
Unreasonable search and seizure. So how, exactly, are the cops violating this?

Given the 'Activist' Attorney General Role that Holder sees as his, if there are such constitutional rights violations being committed by cops, you'd think that he'd be on top of it in a hot second. Having not seen or heard of these actions by the DOJ, it would seem reasonable that they aren't occurring, and if they are occurring, they are in such small numbers as to not have a DOJ enforcement priority under the basis of 'prosecutorial discretion', that we've heard so much about in recent months in the Immigration political / kabuki theater.

Making such bold claims puts the onus on you to prove that it is as you claim.

Addressing that, I give you Dontre Hamilton as one example,
two police officers already checked the welfare of the person sleeping in Red Arrow Park, nothing became of their check, no problems, no troubles found.

Officer Manning goes to the bench where Dontre Hamilton was lying down, and Manning instigated and agitated a citizen, and tried to frisk him, for no apparent reason/s, Manning tried to use his club to make Hamilton comply, and was struck on his arm and his head with the club til Hamilton took it away from him. The next thing that happened was Manning shooting Hamilton numerous times,

what was the purpose of the frisk? ask yourself that in many, many cases where police officers beat people into submission or shoot people, they say, are resisting. Hamilton's basic constitutional right was violated, specifically the 4th. amendment,
Hamilton is dead, Manning was fired because he did not follow proper police procedure, had he followed proper procedure, Hamilton would be alive today.

This isn't rocker science, this is basic constitutional rights we're talking about here, and I see you're trying to insert blurs into the picture,

not all searches and seizures are legal, not all assemblies of people is illegal either.

Park ranger enters plea in fatal shooting at Elephant Butte (3:32 p.m.) - Las Cruces Sun-News

A few years ago, the state park ranger supervisor of Elephant Butte was stopped and arrested for drunk driving, or, DWI,
she was acquitted because the police department did an illegal search and seizure, this happens hundreds, if not thousands of times across the USA, some people (citizens) are lucky to escape unhurt, while others are beaten down with a night stick or even shot, some even die.
 
Addressing that, I give you Dontre Hamilton as one example,
two police officers already checked the welfare of the person sleeping in Red Arrow Park, nothing became of their check, no problems, no troubles found.

Officer Manning goes to the bench where Dontre Hamilton was lying down, and Manning instigated and agitated a citizen, and tried to frisk him, for no apparent reason/s, Manning tried to use his club to make Hamilton comply, and was struck on his arm and his head with the club til Hamilton took it away from him. The next thing that happened was Manning shooting Hamilton numerous times,

what was the purpose of the frisk? ask yourself that in many, many cases where police officers beat people into submission or shoot people, they say, are resisting. Hamilton's basic constitutional right was violated, specifically the 4th. amendment,
Hamilton is dead, Manning was fired because he did not follow proper police procedure, had he followed proper procedure, Hamilton would be alive today.

This isn't rocker science, this is basic constitutional rights we're talking about here, and I see you're trying to insert blurs into the picture,

not all searches and seizures are legal, not all assemblies of people is illegal either.

Park ranger enters plea in fatal shooting at Elephant Butte (3:32 p.m.) - Las Cruces Sun-News

A few years ago, the state park ranger supervisor of Elephant Butte was stopped and arrested for drunk driving, or, DWI,
she was acquitted because the police department did an illegal search and seizure, this happens hundreds, if not thousands of times across the USA, some people (citizens) are lucky to escape unhurt, while others are beaten down with a night stick or even shot, some even die.

OK. We knew that not all of the cops are all playing by the rules they should be, bell curve and all that, bound to be some rotten apples. What's their back story?

Christopher Manney who shot Dontre Hamilton 14 times, was fired, as he should have been.
Teschner had a history of mental problems and was intoxicated when he was shot.

Now, are you of the opinion that this is the case for ALL or even MOST cops? Or maybe just a FEW cops who shouldn't be in that job?

If you consider the millions of interactions between the civilians and the police, there are going to be a few that go bad, just as there are a number of cops who shouldn't be in that job.

Still, all in all, we are certainly NOT living in a police state here.
 
As to the topic, I don't have the right information to make a decent call...

If the family of the victim invited him to speak, then this was a rather immature move on the part of the police.

If he simply showed up because he always shows up to police funerals, and/or basically "influenced" his way up there by pushing the issue himself without being offered, then I can fully understand the cops action here and while I wouldn't think it's the most mature thing to do, it's a move I can't really blame them for.

If he normally doesn't show up to every police funeral, but showed up for this one and made a push to speak, then I actively support and applaud the cops as in such a case it's not an instance of them immaturily making a funeral into a political statement, but rather them denouncing the mayors attempt to utilize the funeral as a political tool.

You support the protesters for their chanting and calling for dead cops, yes?

Care to quote what foundation your accusational question is built upon? What exactly has the OP said that indicates he supports chanting for dead cops?

And while I don't agree with de Blasio being as unsupportive of the NYPD as he was amidst the protests, the idea that he bears any culpability in a lone nut driving up from Baltimore and plugging two officers holds no water.

Who in this thread prior to your post made that point? Who?
 
I'll say right off, I think it was a low class thing to do.

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I think it was a great thing to do. It shows that they united as one against a man who didn't stick up for law enforcement when he should have.
 
As to the topic, I don't have the right information to make a decent call...

If the family of the victim invited him to speak, then this was a rather immature move on the part of the police.

If he simply showed up because he always shows up to police funerals, and/or basically "influenced" his way up there by pushing the issue himself without being offered, then I can fully understand the cops action here and while I wouldn't think it's the most mature thing to do, it's a move I can't really blame them for.

If he normally doesn't show up to every police funeral, but showed up for this one and made a push to speak, then I actively support and applaud the cops as in such a case it's not an instance of them immaturily making a funeral into a political statement, but rather them denouncing the mayors attempt to utilize the funeral as a political tool.



Care to quote what foundation your accusational question is built upon? What exactly has the OP said that indicates he supports chanting for dead cops?



Who in this thread prior to your post made that point? Who?
It was suggested that the reasoning for VP Biden showing up was politically motivated, if not, why else would Mr. Biden have attended? Because of the Obama gaffe concerning what he said about police being held accountable for their actions?

Police chief rips Obama remarks | TheHill

If we can't hold police to a higher standard, then what?
 
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It was suggested that the reasoning for VP Biden showing up was politically motivated

Biden is entirely irrelevant to my thoughts here. Biden wasn't the one speaking, the mayor was. Biden wasn't the one who the cops turned their backs to, the Mayor was. What Biden was doing there is an entirely seperate discussin in my mind.
 
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If we can't hold police to a higher standard, then what?

hmmm, a higher standard .,...,. higher than what or whom ?

Might you be more specific in your proposal.

Thanks

Thom Paine
 
Well obviously that's not what they heard. Have you ever heard that good speaking skills also takes the audience into consideration? In this case, that'd be the police.

Clearly the mayor didn't do that, or at least not enough of that, 'cause the cops are pissed off.
Some people won't take yes for an answer. You can't rationalize with the insane. The fact that the turned their back on the mayor, who had a right to be there but not Biden whose only presence was political, shows that this was a disgusting stunt. They NYPD are spoiled children. It's remarkable how many conservatives are supporting a corrupt union. I thought they hated those:confused:
 
I was expecting a better response than equating LEO to criminals.

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Thom Paine

To me, a higher standard means being better than the people you're trying to catch, note that some (cops) not all, fail miserably at holding to a higher standard. Why expect a better response from someone you do not know and have never met, this is the internet you must realize.
 
They are held to a higher standard than any criminal. What an absurd rationale and flat out lie.

No, not really. I judge cops by which they treat people, speaking from experience, as a youngster growing up in Chicago, I know how bad, and good cops are and can be when I meet one, by their demeanor when they approach me, or another person.

The bad cops I have seen are the ones who ask questions like, what are you doing in this neighborhood, and bad cops would search the car w/o warrants or probable cause because of being in what they define is the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time of day. Probable cause back then (35 years ago) was having a tail light out, or driving a beater car.

The worst cop that I can think of these days is Joe Arpaio, the racial profiler himself.
 
No, not really. I judge cops by which they treat people, speaking from experience, as a youngster growing up in Chicago, I know how bad, and good cops are and can be when I meet one, by their demeanor when they approach me, or another person.

The bad cops I have seen are the ones who ask questions like, what are you doing in this neighborhood, and bad cops would search the car w/o warrants or probable cause because of being in what they define is the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time of day. Probable cause back then (35 years ago) was having a tail light out, or driving a beater car.

The worst cop that I can think of these days is Joe Arpaio, the racial profiler himself.

That's your decision to judge an entire body of people based on the actions of few. How do you know how the cops are in Marrietta Georgia? How are the cops in Foxboro Massachusetts?

Judging an entire body of people based on the actions of the few.... there's a word for that.....Al Sharpton uses it all the time......what's that word again?
 
That's your decision to judge an entire body of people based on the actions of few. How do you know how the cops are in Marrietta Georgia? How are the cops in Foxboro Massachusetts?

Judging an entire body of people based on the actions of the few.... there's a word for that.....Al Sharpton uses it all the time......what's that word again?

My last post in response to you went right over your head.

Fast.

 
That's your decision to judge an entire body of people based on the actions of few. How do you know how the cops are in Marrietta Georgia? How are the cops in Foxboro Massachusetts?

Judging an entire body of people based on the actions of the few.... there's a word for that.....Al Sharpton uses it all the time......what's that word again?

Perhaps you should read AJiveman's post more carefully. He clearly stated that he judged each officer upon his personal experience with that officer. He made no comments about police in general and pointed out Joe Arpaio specifically as an example of a "profiler". Rather than defending Joe Arpaio you decided to use a straw man argument that he was referring to all police that he had never met or had knowledge of their personal conduct. He clearly stated that there were both good and bad police officers - not that he expected either in advance of any evidence to the contrary.
 
My last post in response to you went right over your head.

Fast.



I see. I have re-read your posts and I better understand. My apologies.
 
I see. I have re-read your posts and I better understand. My apologies.

No problemo, that's why in this forum, a person is allowed to edit or delete their posts, which I do all the time after reading the responses. Some forums or blogs don't let you edit or delete, and the words typed are set in stone.
 
No problemo, that's why in this forum, a person is allowed to edit or delete their posts, which I do all the time after reading the responses. Some forums or blogs don't let you edit or delete, and the words typed are set in stone.

Yes that is a very useful feature.I am enjoying myself so far
 
I think it was a great thing to do. It shows that they united as one against a man who didn't stick up for law enforcement when he should have.

I disagree.

Officer Ramos' family invited the Mayor to the formalities.

The police had no business turning a solemn event into a political stunt.

Douchebags, every one who turned.
 
As to the topic, I don't have the right information to make a decent call...

If the family of the victim invited him to speak, then this was a rather immature move on the part of the police.

If he simply showed up because he always shows up to police funerals, and/or basically "influenced" his way up there by pushing the issue himself without being offered, then I can fully understand the cops action here and while I wouldn't think it's the most mature thing to do, it's a move I can't really blame them for.

If he normally doesn't show up to every police funeral, but showed up for this one and made a push to speak, then I actively support and applaud the cops as in such a case it's not an instance of them immaturily making a funeral into a political statement, but rather them denouncing the mayors attempt to utilize the funeral as a political tool.



Care to quote what foundation your accusational question is built upon? What exactly has the OP said that indicates he supports chanting for dead cops?



Who in this thread prior to your post made that point? Who?
I don't *know* this is the case, but I suspect the whole things got out of the family's control rather quickly. I'd bet many of the dignitaries invited themselves and/or each other and the family wasn't even consulted about it. Or, if they were, it was that they were more or less told what was going to happen, or "asked" in such a way that they had no choice but to accept.

Then again, it's also possible they were all for it.
 
I disagree.

Officer Ramos' family invited the Mayor to the formalities.

The police had no business turning a solemn event into a political stunt.

Douchebags, every one who turned.

Law Enforcement, like the military, is a certain brotherhood. They know how each other their fellow LEO's operates. They did what he would have done with them. If you think they are bad people for that, it's your opinion, but it's a disappointing one.
 
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