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Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

Should de Blasio have Attended Officer Ramos Funeral?

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Obviously he wasn't welcome. Wasn't he specifically requested to stay away from police officers funerals? Shouldn't he have respected that?

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Sure he should have attended it.

I thought it was tacky for the cops to turn their backs, but at this point I think we all need a lot more tolerance and a lot less criticism, so I won't blast them for it. They did what they needed to do. de Blasio did what he needed to do.

Emotions are high on all sides; let's be kind to each other and not judge too harshly.
 
As justifiably unwelcome as he is right now, he is the Mayor and should show up.
 
It's fine that he attended. It's unfortunate that the officers who turned their backs on him made Officer Ramos' funeral about them. If any place should be absent of that sort of behavior, it's a damn funeral.
 
Firstly, it's my understanding from the comments made by the wife of the Asian officer that she and Mrs. Ramos wanted the community to heal and all the protesting to stop.

Secondly, the funeral was for the family, primarily, and if the Ramos family asked the Mayor to attend and to speak then that's perfectly fine with me and should be with everyone else as well.

Finally, I understand that some of the police in attendance outside refused to face the Mayor on the big screen as he spoke. That's fine - but eventually, everyone is going to have to get back to work and do their jobs - that will include involvement of the Mayor and city council. The NYPD is, after all, a civilian force under the command and control of the City and its agents/representatives.

The point's been made - move on - hopefully the Mayor and others have learned a valuable lesson.
 
X Factor said:
Obviously he wasn't welcome. Wasn't he specifically requested to stay away from police officers funerals? Shouldn't he have respected that?

Thoughts?
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I do not know what Officer Ramos felt about De Blasio.So I can not answer one way or another how he felt about him showing up at his funeral.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Firstly, it's my understanding from the comments made by the wife of the Asian officer that she and Mrs. Ramos wanted the community to heal and all the protesting to stop.

Secondly, the funeral was for the family, primarily, and if the Ramos family asked the Mayor to attend and to speak then that's perfectly fine with me and should be with everyone else as well.

Finally, I understand that some of the police in attendance outside refused to face the Mayor on the big screen as he spoke. That's fine - but eventually, everyone is going to have to get back to work and do their jobs - that will include involvement of the Mayor and city council. The NYPD is, after all, a civilian force under the command and control of the City and its agents/representatives.

The point's been made - move on - hopefully the Mayor and others have learned a valuable lesson.
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Thanks a lot. Your well reasoned post killed my thread. You're right though, unless the slain officer had let his wishes be known in such an event (which is extremely unlikely) the families wishes should prevail. Now, if NYPD had some special memorial for the officers and de Blasio was requested to not attend then he should respect that.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
It's fine that he attended. It's unfortunate that the officers who turned their backs on him made Officer Ramos' funeral about them. If any place should be absent of that sort of behavior, it's a damn funeral.
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I don't see their actions as being any worse than any of the Ferguson protests. They had a statement they wanted to make, they made it and it was peaceful. All things were supposed to respect when those who are protesting police are doing their thing.
 
Since the NYPD is dominated by petulant children trapped in adult bodies it's no surprise that they decided to make a statement at a funeral the family requested. If the family asked de Blasio to attend then the cops had no right to attempt to make any statement.
 
I would expect nothing more from the self centered pricks of the NYPD. If you aren't going to respect the wishes of the family then don't attend.
 
New York's time has come. Like Constantinople or Rome before it the city has become a breeding ground for suffering and injustice. It is beyond saving and must be allowed to die. The NYPD... must be destroyed and rebuilt from the ground up. The citizens have fought the decadence and corruption of the NYPD for years with all their strength, all their resources, all their moral authority and the only victory they achieved was union thugs thumbing their nose at the mayor. Now people understand the NYPD is beyond saving and must be allowed to die and be reborn anew.
 
It's funny. If you look at the poll results it looks like someone flipping the bird. I also notice an extreme jump in participants. I'm flattered that someone thought enough of my poll to actually spam it.
 
X Factor said:
Thanks a lot. Your well reasoned post killed my thread. You're right though, unless the slain officer had let his wishes be known in such an event (which is extremely unlikely) the families wishes should prevail. Now, if NYPD had some special memorial for the officers and de Blasio was requested to not attend then he should respect that.
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You're correct - the NYPD union had issued a statement after De Blasio had spoken negatively about police, prior to the officers being killed, that he was not welcomed at any future funeral of a police officer. It was angry rhetoric that we all engage in from time to time and who knew it was actually going to happen days later. But the police union doesn't speak for the family. I had a young friend who died as a police officer and the police service and union paid for the entire funeral and arranged all the details 100% according to the wishes of his parents and girlfriend and asked on behalf of various members of the police community and political community if certain people could participate and the family agreed - the police didn't force the issue, just expressed that they wanted to participate and the family was delighted that their son was so loved and respected by those who wanted to join the service that they readily agreed.

I don't know the details here but I have to believe that the Mayor or his office asked and the family agreed. It might actually have happened the day of the officers deaths when De Blasio visited the homes of both families to express his condolences. He may have asked then and the families agreed.

All that said, none of it changes my view of De Blasio and his use of police bashing for political gain over the past few years. It was disgraceful. Hopefully he learned something from this tragedy.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Sure he should have attended it.

I thought it was tacky for the cops to turn their backs, but at this point I think we all need a lot more tolerance and a lot less criticism, so I won't blast them for it. They did what they needed to do. de Blasio did what he needed to do.

Emotions are high on all sides; let's be kind to each other and not judge too harshly.
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I've heard of family members fighting at funerals or acting straight up crazy. Not respecting the dead or their families. Watching them turn their back while he offered up the eulogy was like watching a dysfunctional family who couldn't put aside their differences for a funeral.
 
herenow1 said:
I've heard of family members fighting at funerals or acting straight up crazy. Not respecting the dead or their families. Watching them turn their back while he offered up the eulogy was like watching a dysfunctional family who couldn't put aside their differences for a funeral.
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Perhaps it was DeBlasio's admission that he fears the police will kill his son because of his skin color that caused them to believe anything he might say at a police officers funeral was nothing but butt covering political blather from a hack who has no respect for them.
 
herenow1 said:
I've heard of family members fighting at funerals or acting straight up crazy. Not respecting the dead or their families. Watching them turn their back while he offered up the eulogy was like watching a dysfunctional family who couldn't put aside their differences for a funeral.
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Great analogy.

A friend gave me the book "The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying" when my mom was dying. I admit I read little of it; but the section I read that has stuck with me ever since is something along the lines of - everyone reacts to death differently. And some of those reactions might seem "wrong" to you. But give everyone space to grieve, space to act in the way that they do; don't judge.

Death is so stressful, so hard on people; it really does reveal dysfunctions, but don't get upset at them - just let them pass. That thought has helped me over the years. So whether or not someone thinks the mayor did right or wrong or the cops did right or wrong - let's not fight about it, just accept that everyone reacts differently and move forward.
 
X Factor said:
I don't see their actions as being any worse than any of the Ferguson protests. They had a statement they wanted to make, they made it and it was peaceful. All things were supposed to respect when those who are protesting police are doing their thing.
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If you can point me to Ferguson protesters demonstrating at a funeral, then I'll condemn them as well.
 
ocean515 said:
Perhaps it was DeBlasio's admission that he fears the police will kill his son because of his skin color that caused them to believe anything he might say at a police officers funeral was nothing but butt covering political blather from a hack who has no respect for them.
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Whether or not they have valid grievances is not the issue. The issue is whether or not a funeral is the appropriate place to act on those grievances.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
If you can point me to Ferguson protesters demonstrating at a funeral, then I'll condemn them as well.
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Meh, it's not like your stance on this is any surprise any more than mine is. That's no flame at all. Whether someone is sympathetic to the statement the cops were making will pretty much reflect their overal attitude about law enforcement officers. Just, at least, recognize that you're not being, in anyway objective. If the cops marched on city hall holding signs blasting the mayor, would you support that (or would you say it's inappropriate for officers to act like that)?
 
This was supposed to be a funeral, not a place to make a political statement, IMO, another low for the already low NYPD. No respect for the dead or living. Just for themselves. How egotistical.
 
The Mayor was in a no-win situation. If he had not gone he would have been criticized for not caring, and that criticism would have followed him around far longer.
 
X Factor said:
Meh, it's not like your stance on this is any surprise any more than mine is. That's no flame at all. Whether someone is sympathetic to the statement the cops were making will pretty much reflect their overal attitude about law enforcement officers. Just, at least, recognize that you're not being, in anyway objective.
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I'm still trying to figure out what you think I said. I wonder if you have a computer program that erases what people actually said and then replaces the text with random words that will enable you to criticize them.

If the cops marched on city hall holding signs blasting the mayor, would you support that (or would you say it's inappropriate for officers to act like that)?
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If I said that I would support it, would you believe me?
 
Does the mayor typically speak at funerals of fallen police officers? And does anyone know of his comments? Biden also spoke at the funeral...does the Vice President often speak at police funerals? Talk about making a funeral 'political'. Doe sit bother those that are upset with the cops turning their backs (people directly impacted by all of this) that politics is the rule of the day at this funeral? And during Bidens comments anyone care to hazard a guess at the over and under on how many times he made personal comments or comments about Obama's time in New York?

de Blasio has some mending to do. That should be obvious to anyone...even him. If he does nothing and continues to think he is blameless then he will continue to have problems.
 
I assume it is expected for the mayor of a city to attend the funeral of a fallen police officer, perhaps even say a few words. I also assume that the mayor was invited by the family.
Fellow police officers attend a funeral to honor a fallen comrade and to show respect to the family. The funeral isn't about them. Time and place for everything.
That doesn't mean I don't feel for the officers, and I most certainly wouldn't want to be in Deblasio's shoes either.
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
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