Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

ReverendHellh0und said:

Well, it is a debate forum, If you want to debate your position, you should do so. Blaming the Good Reverend for your inability or refusal to put forth an opinion is transparent at best.

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I gave mine. You mischarachterized what was happening in a way that makes the conservative side come out smelling like roses. Go ahead and drink the red Kool-Aid if you want to, but don't blame me for it.

Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Boo Radley said:

Don't know and don't care. It has nothing to do with what I said.

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So Obama called him into the WH dozens of times because he's devoid of influence?
Hell, he could have gotten you too, given you have that same qualification.

Sorry, but you're waaaay off base with this one.

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rocket88 said:

The deserts he brings to the potluck?

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Maybe the Rev from the old days.

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bubbabgone said:

Has he always been so squeaky clean?

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No he was a informant and probably largely falsely accused of tax evasion.

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humbolt said:

Uh huh. Facts be damned.

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Haha but that is a fact. People would be pissed about that regardless of sharpton or jackson talking on TV.

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rocket88 said:

The deserts he brings to the potluck?

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I don't think they have "potluck" at the WH. No doubt Al is consulting with the cleaning help, though.

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b_dubz said:

Haha but that is a fact. People would be pissed about that regardless of sharpton or jackson talking on TV.

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"That" is a relative pronoun.

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humbolt said:

Uh huh. Facts be damned.

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No, the facts are the acts in Ferguson led to the trouble there. You're just looking for a scape goat.

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bubbabgone said:

So Obama called him into the WH dozens of times because he's devoid of influence?
Hell, he could have gotten you too, given you have that same qualification.

Sorry, but you're waaaay off base with this one.

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I have no idea why he called him. Neither do you. But factually speaking, few take him seriously.

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b_dubz said:

Son, if you don't have a social, you ain't getting a good job. Love how you totally gloss over that...

No I'm really not. Your the one spouting random fallacy with no supporting evidence whatsoever.

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I'll ignore the fact you haven't provided a single bit of evidence to support your absurd claims yourself.

To your point, I didn't gloss over the Social issue, I just ignored it because the fraudulent use of SSN's by Illegal Alien theives is so wide spread and well understood, a person would have to be living in a cave to think otherwise. Is yours a single room cave, or does it have little rooms spread around?


You've now become entertainment. Please keep posting. Oh, and add a link or two with your claims, so you don't appear to be hypocritical as well.

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Boo Radley said:

No, the facts are the acts in Ferguson led to the trouble there. You're just looking for a scape goat.

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The facts are recorded, as I showed in the article, and Sharpton is certainly no scape goat. He didn't reach his current status by accepting unwarranted blame.

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ocean515 said:

I'll ignore the fact you haven't provided a single bit of evidence to support your absurd claims yourself.

To your point, I didn't gloss over the Social issue, I just ignored it because the fraudulent use of SSN's by Illegal Alien theives is so wide spread and well understood, a person would have to be living in a cave to think otherwise. Is yours a single room cave, or does it have little rooms spread around?

Illegal, but Not Undocumented | Center for Immigration Studies

The findings include:

•Illegal immigrants are not “undocumented.” They have fraudulent documents such as counterfeit Social Security cards, forged drivers licenses, fake “green cards,” and phony birth certificates. Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/04/world/americas/04iht-id.2688618.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Camber Lybbert thought it was a mistake when her bank told her that her daughter's Social Security number, issued by the U.S. government, was on their files for two credit cards and two auto loans, with an outstanding balance of more than $25,000.

Her daughter is 3 years old.

Though most people think of identity theft as a financial crime, one of the most common forms in the United States involves illegal immigrants using fraudulent Social Security numbers to conduct their daily lives.

With tacit acceptance from some employers and poor coordination among government agencies, this practice provides the backbone of some low- wage businesses and a boon to the Social Security trust fund.​

You've now become entertainment. Please keep posting. Oh, and add a link or two with your claims, so you don't appear to be hypocritical as well.

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Your the hypocritical one is you. You posted a obviously biased link which was cis.... http://www.splcenter.org/publicatio...of-intolerance/cis-the-independent-think-tank

And now for something actually factual....

In terms of overall numbers, The Department of Labor reports that of the 2.5 million farm workers in the U.S., over half (53 percent) are illegal immigrants. Growers and labor unions put this figure at 70 percent.

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http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...984-illegal-immigrants-benefit-the-us-economy

2 seconds of googling backs up what I said, and debunks what you said... Funny how easy it was...

So your saying that there are 2.5 million people That can't figure out how to buy or steal a ss card, and the other whopping 8.5 million do? Man I wanna sell you the golden gate if you believe that load...

What about the guys at home depot? Or the construction day laborers? Or food service jobs? Maids? That's at least a few million more people doing jobs Americans simply won't do for the astoundingly low pay, and why would they do these crappy jobs if they have a fraudulent ss number? They wouldn't..

I have met over ten illegals in my life. None had social security numbers, fake or otherwise. They are almost all kids involved in crime. You would think they could get fake socials if they wanted them (and they do) 3 are now deported for various reasons, and all where brought over very young by their parents, making it illegal to deport them.

Got any more propaganda?

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b_dubz said:

Your the hypocritical one is you. You posted a obviously biased link which was cis.... CIS: The "Independent" Think Tank | Southern Poverty Law Center

And now for something actually factual....



Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy | TheHill

2 seconds of googling backs up what I said, and debunks what you said... Funny how easy it was...

So your saying that there are 2.5 million people That can't figure out how to buy or steal a ss card, and the other whopping 8.5 million do? Man I wanna sell you the golden gate if you believe that load...

What about the guys at home depot? Or the construction day laborers? Or food service jobs? Maids? That's at least a few million more people doing jobs Americans simply won't do for the astoundingly low pay, and why would they do these crappy jobs if they have a fraudulent ss number? They wouldn't..

I have met over ten illegals in my life. None had social security numbers, fake or otherwise. They are almost all kids involved in crime. You would think they could get fake socials if they wanted them (and they do) 3 are now deported for various reasons, and all where brought over very young by their parents, making it illegal to deport them.

Got any more propaganda?

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:lamo

You really should run along, you have established zero credibility and your assumptions are absurd.

Let's try a bleeding heart, Progressive Machine website which instantly debunks your 2.5 million joke.



Of course, these are only the ones who have been caught.

So, farm jobs, or toilet cleaners? You're suggesting there are millions of farm workers and toilet cleaners?

Thanks for the entertainment. It's remarkable there are those who are so willing to admit to such talent.

Happy New Year!

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Boo Radley said:

I have no idea why he called him. Neither do you. But factually speaking, few take him seriously.

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Factually speaking, Al sure gets a lot of attention from the POTUS, the Press, and the People in the streets for a guy not being taken seriously.
You have no idea about that uncomfortable fact?

Here's another uncomfortable piece of news you probably had no idea about. Look at this picture ...



See what it says at the bottom of those signs? "revcom.us"
Check 'em out.
They're not the only ones either.
It explains why there are so many young white faces in these demonstrations and what's really driving this whole thing ... also explains some other connections you had no idea about.

See ya later.

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bubbabgone said:

Factually speaking, Al sure gets a lot of attention from the POTUS, the Press, and the People in the streets for a guy not being taken seriously.
You have no idea about that uncomfortable fact?

Here's another uncomfortable piece of news you probably had no idea about. Look at this picture ...

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See what it says at the bottom of those signs? "revcom.us"
Check 'em out.
They're not the only ones either.
It explains why there are so many young white faces in these demonstrations and what's really driving this whole thing ... also explains some other connections you had no idea about.

See ya later.

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What got attention was what was happening. Not AL.

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Boo Radley said:

What got attention was what was happening. Not AL.

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But why Al if he isn't influential?

You want to address anything about the various groups encouraging the demonstrations?

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bubbabgone said:

But why Al if he isn't influential?

You want to address anything about the various groups encouraging the demonstrations?

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Because there was protesting and such, but Al. And people protested due to what happened and not Al.

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ocean515 said:

:lamo

You really should run along, you have established zero credibility and your assumptions are absurd.

Let's try a bleeding heart, Progressive Machine website which instantly debunks your 2.5 million joke.

Illegal Immigrants Give Billions to Medicare, Social Security With No Hope of Benefit | Reporting on Health

Experts say illegal immigrants make up a majority—possibly up to 75 percent—of SSA’s “earnings suspense file,” which is a record it keeps on W-2s where the names and Social Security numbers don’t match up in their system.

In 2010, the last year for which figures are available, employers reported wages of $70.3 billion from 7.3 million workers whose records were placed in the earnings suspense file, according to data provided by the SSA to The Medicare NewsGroup.​

Of course, these are only the ones who have been caught.

So, farm jobs, or toilet cleaners? You're suggesting there are millions of farm workers and toilet cleaners?

Thanks for the entertainment. It's remarkable there are those who are so willing to admit to such talent.

Happy New Year!

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Ha I have zero credibility right... Says the guy that quoted cis... And apparently can't read...

How do illegals not support the economy? What would food prices be without them? I love how you RUN from these questions...

You really need to read better.... You debunked nothing, and actually added to my point...

I said (and the the article I posted) said there are 2.5 million FARM WORKERS. that does not include construction workers, or maids, or janitors, or any other job category illegals take. JUST FARM WORKERS.

Also the people on that list obviously have not stolen anybody's identity to the person with the identity's detriment. because in order to get a credit card, or take out a loan, you MUST HAVE A ID AND SS THAT MATCH!! these are obviously people who just put a random name and ss number on a app in the hopes the jobs would not check them. This would be the employers problem.

Also it is likely a decent portion of these people actually are not using anyone else's ss number, as you conveniently ignored...

The mother of two moved to her current job just as her permit was set to expire 5 years ago. Today, she works as a kitchen manager, using her now-invalid Social Security number and different name to deter immigration officials.

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from the article you posted...

So you see she us using a invalid ss number, not someone else's.

the Social Security Administration, told me that undocumented workers contribute about $15 billion a year to Social Security through payroll taxes. They only take out $1 billion (very few undocumented workers are eligible to receive benefits). Over the years, undocumented workers have contributed up to $300 billion, or nearly 10 percent, of the $2.7 trillion Social Security Trust Fund.

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/1...-hurt-the-us-economy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/quote]

So without illegals ss would have less money, not more. They put in far more than they are able to take. That's just a fact, as is them supporting the economy.

Nearly all economists, of all political persuasions, agree that immigrants — those here legally or not — benefit the overall economy. “That is not controversial,” Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute, told me. Shierholz also said that “there is a consensus that, on average, the incomes of families in this country are increased by a small, but clearly positive amount, because of immigration.”

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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/1...-hurt-the-us-economy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

And again the idea that they support the economy is fact. That's why you run from that point...

Also I question the authenticity of that blog. Like most blogs there is no citation of sources. For example they say "experts say the SSA is this" but do not say which experts...

Good job proving yourself biased and incredibly unfactual... That's all you have done this whole time...

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b_dubz said:

Ha I have zero credibility right... Says the guy that quoted cis... And apparently can't read...

How do illegals not support the economy? What would food prices be without them? I love how you RUN from these questions...

You really need to read better.... You debunked nothing, and actually added to my point...

I said (and the the article I posted) said there are 2.5 million FARM WORKERS. that does not include construction workers, or maids, or janitors, or any other job category illegals take. JUST FARM WORKERS.

Also the people on that list obviously have not stolen anybody's identity to the person with the identity's detriment. because in order to get a credit card, or take out a loan, you MUST HAVE A ID AND SS THAT MATCH!! these are obviously people who just put a random name and ss number on a app in the hopes the jobs would not check them. This would be the employers problem.

Also it is likely a decent portion of these people actually are not using anyone else's ss number, as you conveniently ignored...

from the article you posted...

So you see she us using a invalid ss number, not someone else's.


http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/1...-hurt-the-us-economy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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So without illegals ss would have less money, not more. They put in far more than they are able to take. That's just a fact, as is them supporting the economy.



http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/1...-hurt-the-us-economy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

And again the idea that they support the economy is fact. That's why you run from that point...

Also I question the authenticity of that blog. Like most blogs there is no citation of sources. For example they say "experts say the SSA is this" but do not say which experts...

Good job proving yourself biased and incredibly unfactual... That's all you have done this whole time...[/QUOTE]

And you use the failing leftist rag NY Times as a source?

When you get a clue, perhaps you could be taken seriously. I have strong doubts that will occur in the near future. Indoctrination will likely take a long time to overcome, if it's ever possible.

Happy New Year!

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Kobie said:

As far as the right-wing hacks are concerned, there are no peaceful protesters.

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I have peacefully and generally silently protested many times. Whether alone or with others, I haven't associated with/been anywhere near those out there for excitement or drama or opportunity.

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humbolt said:

The facts are recorded, as I showed in the article, and Sharpton is certainly no scape goat. He didn't reach his current status by accepting unwarranted blame.

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Here's a WaPo article on Sharpton's role as peacemaker. One group of young activists states:

“Al Sharpton doesn’t speak for us,” said Erika Maye, a spokeswoman for Freedom Side, an Atlanta-based group that has been involved in the protests. “His focus on respectability, pulling up your pants and getting an education — that doesn’t keep our brothers and sisters safe. You can do everything you’re supposed to do, but if a police officer sees you, they will see you as a suspect, so you can still be subject to police violence.” Sharpton faces criticism after NYC officers

I thought Sharpton had rehabilitated himself, but he's the same old self-promoting panderer and pot-stirrer he always has been.

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nota bene said:

Here's a WaPo article on Sharpton's role as peacemaker. One group of young activists states:

“Al Sharpton doesn’t speak for us,” said Erika Maye, a spokeswoman for Freedom Side, an Atlanta-based group that has been involved in the protests. “His focus on respectability, pulling up your pants and getting an education — that doesn’t keep our brothers and sisters safe. You can do everything you’re supposed to do, but if a police officer sees you, they will see you as a suspect, so you can still be subject to police violence.” Sharpton faces criticism after NYC officers

I thought Sharpton had rehabilitated himself, but he's the same old self-promoting panderer and pot-stirrer he always has been.

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The really sad thing about this is that Sharpton, Jackson, and even Holder exist as the only visible alternatives to the New Black Panther Party as leaders in the discussion of race relations in this country. There are more reasonable and less self-serving voices out there - they're just refused the media platform the above mentioned people enjoy.

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Boo Radley said:

Because there was protesting and such, but Al. And people protested due to what happened and not Al.

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Kobie said:

As far as the right-wing hacks are concerned, there are no peaceful protesters.

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And as far as left-wing hacks are concerned, there are no violent protesters. It could be that the truth is somewhere in between, but you didn't hear it from me.

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US Conservative said:

Firstly, Gabrielle Giffords was shot by a leftist with psych issues, secondly, what right wing rhetoric was calling for the deaths of congressional reps?

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I got to call you out US Conservative. Where does Al Sharpton go around directly calling for the deaths of police officers over this year of 2014? And you're incorrect about Jared Loughner being a leftist. As a matter of fact it appears that he leaned more to the right of political thinking. LINK

Views on politics

Records show that Loughner was registered as an Independent and voted in 2006 and 2008, but not in 2010.[39][40] A YouTube channel under an account called "Classitup10" was linked to Loughner. (There have been numerous copies of 'impostor accounts' such as 'JaredLoughner' and 'Classitup1O'.)[41][42]

Loughner's high school friend Zach Osler said, "He did not watch TV; he disliked the news; he didn't listen to political radio; he didn't take sides; he wasn't on the Left; he wasn't on the Right."[17] A former classmate, Caitie Parker, who attended high school and college with Loughner, described his political views prior to 2007, prior to his personality transformation, as "left wing, quite liberal,"[43] "radical."[44]

In the aftermath of the shooting, the Anti-Defamation League reviewed messages by Loughner, and concluded that there was a "disjointed theme that runs through Loughner's writings", which was a "distrust for and dislike of the government." It "manifested itself in various ways" – for instance, in the belief that the government used the control of language and grammar to brainwash people, the notion that the government was creating "infinite currency" without the backing of gold and silver, or the assertion that NASA was faking spaceflights.[45]

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