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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

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ocean515 said:
It says what it says. Sorry, I'm too lazy to go back and rehash you're errors in judgment again.

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Lmao, yeah, that's what I thought. You got it wrong from the first post in which addressed me and now you won't even try and prove me wrong. ;)
 
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ocean515 said:
I'm not wrong. I guess the group organizing the marches, and maintaining content had better get some more donations flowing, because they just might get a world of legal hurt raining down on them as they encourage more to join their group and inflict economic harm on innocent people just trying to keep their children fed and clothed. Amazing you don't hold the same values toward innocent children.

Regardless, it's your choice to remain uninformed. I guess it's difficult to admit your had it wrong when it's so critical to appearances to think you have it right.

Again, Merry Christmas! May the spirit of the season bring all that you deserve in life. :peace
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It may have already been mentioned, but have you noticed there are an awful lot of white faces in these demonstrations now.
More than can be accounted for by a natural concern for civil rights.
Makes you wonder that maybe the motivations of the influences aren't so pure.
That, coupled with reports of the organizations(s) actually leading and paying for these demonstrations, brings things into clearer focus.
 
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bubbabgone said:
It may have already been mentioned, but have you noticed there are an awful lot of white faces in these demonstrations now.
More than can be accounted for by a natural concern for civil rights.
Makes you wonder that maybe the motivations of the influences aren't so pure.
That, coupled with reports of the organizations(s) actually leading and paying for these demonstrations, brings things into clearer focus.
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Not wanting to dip too far into CT waters, I think it is becoming quite obvious there is more than meets the eye. Rather handy to have racial issues taking headlines, as opposed to increased unemployment in minority neighborhoods caused by illegal aliens who are winning the lottery under the Obama Administration.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Correct. And the Tea Party Patriots. And FreedomWorks. And Americans for Prosperity (not sure why you decided to name just ONE national group for the tea party but rattled off half a dozen for Black Lives Matter.

And you like the Black Lives Matters movement groups, both local and nationally, you had national and local tea party groups ALSO networking.

All you're doing at this point is repeating what I've already said.

Yes, there are many groups involved in the Black Lives Matter movement (similar to the tea party). Every leader of every group involved in the black lives matter movement is not responsible for the events hosted by, the things said by, or the actions taken by every other group that's part of the movement...they're responsible for things the group they lead does.

If The Millions March NYC coalition (A local level black lives matter group) hosts an event under the auspices of the Black Lives Matter movement, that does not mean that Al Sharpton or the NAN are ALSO hosting THAT EVENT simply because they themselves are hosting an entirely different event completely seperate from the MMNYC that also happens to be under teh auspices of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Just like if the South Colorado Patriots Club (A local level Tea Party group) hosts a rally under the auspices of the Tea Party, that does not mean that Howard Kaloogian or the Tea Party express are ALSO hosting THAT EVENT simply because they themselves are hosting a different event in a different location completely seperate from the SCPC's event that happens to also be under the auspices of the Tea Party movement.
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Maybe you know all the National Tea Party organizations. I don't. So what? I gave an example.
Yes you keep claiming because what one organization does Al Sharpton can't be held responsible. Got it. But have you ever gave it much thought into the name of his organization? National Action Network.

I think when Al Sharpton gave a press conference that he was returning to Missouri to await the announcement of the Grand Jury verdict was telling and at the same time he made it known that he had organized and deployed demonstrators to 25 cities at Federal buildings. Kevin Jackson nailed the reason why.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/al-sharpton-really-concerned-justice-144027099.html

Of course the dear Rev. called for peaceful demonstrations but he knew tensions were already high. What an ass.
 
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vesper said:
Yes you keep claiming because what one organization does Al Sharpton can't be held responsible.
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Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying, and would seem to be common sense.

You can't blame a person, or more specifically claim that a person was running/leading/organizing/owning, for an event the person had nothing to do with that was organized/ran by a group he has nothing to do with.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying, and would seem to be common sense.

You can't blame a person, or more specifically claim that a person was running/leading/organizing/owning, for an event the person had nothing to do with that was organized/ran by a group he has nothing to do with.
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And you want me to drink the kool-aid that somehow poor Al, after ratcheting up the tensions in Ferguson making claims that Michael Brown was innocent and a victim of police brutality, and racial profiling, BEFORE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY was released that proved contrary...... seeing all the anarchists groups pour into the town to feed off the frenzy somehow thought any demonstration he called for would be a peaceful one? Yah right!

Today it is being reported and on video of protestors taking to the streets in NYC by the thousands today shutting down 5th Avenue chanting NYPD equal to KKK. Others show protestors chanting "How do you spell murderers... NYPD" and others chanting a slogan of Joanne Chesimar, aka Assata Shakur, a convicted cop killer living in Cuba to avoid prison since 1984. While back in Missouri two miles from Ferguson today a white officer shot and killed an armed black man who was pointing a loaded gun at him that resulted in a riot with officers being hurt from bricks to explosives thrown at them. Wonder how soon Sharpton can break himself away from NYC to head back to Misssouri? Jesus
 
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vesper said:
And you want me to drink the kool-aid that somehow poor Al, after ratcheting up the tensions in Ferguson making claims that Michael Brown was innocent and a victim of police brutality, and racial profiling, BEFORE EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY was released that proved contrary...... seeing all the anarchists groups pour into the town to feed off the frenzy somehow thought any demonstration he called for would be a peaceful one? Yah right!
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Could you provide me where I said anything about what he thought would happen at demonstrations he "called for"?

Nice attempt at distorting what I've been saying and trying to move the goal posts, but that doesn't work when there's a clear record of what I've been saying.

What "kool-aid" I want people to drink is that it's an outright falsehood to claim that Al Sharpton:

1. Said that he wants "dead cops"
2. Led the chant shouting for "dead cops" in the OPs video
3. Organized/hosted the event where the crowd chanted for "dead cops" in the OP's video

You can keep trying to distort what I'm saying all you want...but your misrepresentation of my comments aren't ACTUALLY my comments.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Could you provide me where I said anything about what he thought would happen at demonstrations he "called for"?

Nice attempt at distorting what I've been saying and trying to move the goal posts, but that doesn't work when there's a clear record of what I've been saying.

What "kool-aid" I want people to drink is that it's an outright falsehood to claim that Al Sharpton:

1. Said that he wants "dead cops"
2. Led the chant shouting for "dead cops" in the OPs video
3. Organized/hosted the event where the crowd chanted for "dead cops" in the OP's video

You can keep trying to distort what I'm saying all you want...but your misrepresentation of my comments aren't ACTUALLY my comments.
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And the title of this thread isn't about accusing Al Sharpton calling for dead cops nor lead the chant shouting for dead cops.
It's about his rhetoric that fueled tensions and hatred that some groups are now chanting a lot more than dead cops. The same anarchist activist groups who fly under the banner of Black lives Matter events. Sharpton knows they are going to show up. They always do.
 
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rocket88 said:
Probably so, but that doesn't make him responsible for everything bad that happens.
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It does not mean he should be arrested and charged with murder....however he does have blood on his hands. Without Sharpton inciting all the race baiting, it's not likely the two cops would have been killed.
 
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vesper said:
And the title of this thread isn't about accusing Al Sharpton calling for dead cops nor lead the chant shouting for dead cops.
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But the argument for it in the first post was about that, as was the videos in the original post, as have been multiple people's continued posts on the topic....thus why I've responded to those claims.

I figured you would've understood this since you confusedly keep trying to suggest I'm wrong, as it would be rather curious and laughable if you were trying to say I'm wrong without even knowing what it is my posts were talking about.
 
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US Conservative said:
Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
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How could anyone ever prove-'Beyond a shadow of doubt'- that it did or didn't? :roll:

Fill us in.



This thread is all about trying to point fingers.

With zero evidence to back that finger-pointing up.
 
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vesper said:
There may be lefties on this forum who are buying it but the Daily Beast is hardly a conservative website and they aren't buying it. Neither are other left leaning news groups. Heck even Bob Beckle on the Five today called for the Black Caucus to stand up against these radical groups because they do not represent the views of the majority of Democrats.
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But according to the Right Wing knuckledraggers on here, they do represent the views of Democrats. So which is it?
 
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As I read the poll results this morning, it looks like 170 no's and 43 yes's. Wow.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Zyphlin said:
But the argument for it in the first post was about that, as was the videos in the original post, as have been multiple people's continued posts on the topic....thus why I've responded to those claims.

I figured you would've understood this since you confusedly keep trying to suggest I'm wrong, as it would be rather curious and laughable if you were trying to say I'm wrong without even knowing what it is my posts were talking about.
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I understood your reasoning but what I didn't understand is no matter where Sharpton was or when, both marches were being promoted as Black Lives Matter events in social media. Both marches/rallies/protests had protestors representing the same national activist groups where they have chapters in every major city not making it difficult to rally the troops to make a statement. What I have observed about Sharpton, he is never in the place when the anarchists move into action. They wait till he leaves town as the case in NYC as in the case in Ferguson. He first shows up on the scene with the victims family around him making his claims of injustice, racist cops etc. raising tensions. Then he books it out of there and the anarchists take over. Even with Brown's family around Sharpton calling for calm in a media interview after the verdict was read, after Sharpton left town, we catch Brown's stepfather later on video inciting "burn this bitch down" at a rally. But Sharpton he was long gone. He was back in NYC enjoying fine dining while those he incited to anger were being arrested and thrown into jail. Same MO in NYC with the Garner case. He surrounds himself with the family of the victim at a press conference/rally. At which point he announces he will be in Washington DC for a march for Garner and Brown. Even after all the Grand Jury testimony released proving Wilson's innocence Sharpton keeps ratcheting up the tension by keeping Brown a victim of racist police, a racist prosecutor, and a racist Grand Jury. I posted a video that showed how ignorant these protestors are of the facts that were present at the D.C. rally. The anarchists know not to incite trouble where Sharpton will be. He wasn't in NYC when a group chanted "dead cops". He wasn't there when cops were being spit on, trash thrown at them, and the march shutting down bridges and main arteries by design keeping people from even getting an ambulance if needed and cops being assaulted by protesters the same day. Nope, Sharpton was in DC. When de Blasio called for a halt to protest until the funerals were over of the fallen police officers, Sharpton had a problem with that because he had already planned events. Today NYC is a mess just like Ferguson. But then again whenever Sharpton shows up nothing good happens.

Merry Christmas
 
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vesper said:
I understood your reasoning but what I didn't understand is no matter where Sharpton was or when, both marches were being promoted as Black Lives Matter events in social media. Both marches/rallies/protests had protestors representing the same national activist groups where they have chapters in every major city not making it difficult to rally the troops to make a statement. What I have observed about Sharpton, he is never in the place when the anarchists move into action. They wait till he leaves town as the case in NYC as in the case in Ferguson. He first shows up on the scene with the victims family around him making his claims of injustice, racist cops etc. raising tensions. Then he books it out of there and the anarchists take over. Even with Brown's family around Sharpton calling for calm in a media interview after the verdict was read, after Sharpton left town, we catch Brown's stepfather later on video inciting "burn this bitch down" at a rally. But Sharpton he was long gone. He was back in NYC enjoying fine dining while those he incited to anger were being arrested and thrown into jail. Same MO in NYC with the Garner case. He surrounds himself with the family of the victim at a press conference/rally. At which point he announces he will be in Washington DC for a march for Garner and Brown. Even after all the Grand Jury testimony released proving Wilson's innocence Sharpton keeps ratcheting up the tension by keeping Brown a victim of racist police, a racist prosecutor, and a racist Grand Jury. I posted a video that showed how ignorant these protestors are of the facts that were present at the D.C. rally. The anarchists know not to incite trouble where Sharpton will be. He wasn't in NYC when a group chanted "dead cops". He wasn't there when cops were being spit on, trash thrown at them, and the march shutting down bridges and main arteries by design keeping people from even getting an ambulance if needed and cops being assaulted by protesters the same day. Nope, Sharpton was in DC. When de Blasio called for a halt to protest until the funerals were over of the fallen police officers, Sharpton had a problem with that because he had already planned events. Today NYC is a mess just like Ferguson. But then again whenever Sharpton shows up nothing good happens.

Merry Christmas
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Greetings, Vesper. :2wave:

As in the Kent State shootings many years ago, the agitators came in, stirred up trouble and violence, and left before the police arrived. Students died, not the agitators! :thumbdown:

Merry Christmas to you and yours, Vesper. *hug*
 
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US Conservative said:
Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
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Actually the dead cops thing was shouted hours after the protest was over, by a group fairly far away from the protestors, by a few dozen people, and all the Ferguson protest groups condemned it immediately.

But, ya no, what are minor details like that to the mass media?
 
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Wiggen said:
As I read the poll results this morning, it looks like 170 no's and 43 yes's. Wow.
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You dont know how to read poll results. This was a public vote, and lefties outside of the forum (or anyone who can change their ISP) voted in a completely nonsensical manner. I suspect it was the same person or persons who somehow blamed the TEA party for JFK's implementation of the Cuban embargo.:doh

Look only at forum members and you will have a much better idea of the poll results. Maybe a light bulb will go off.
 
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b_dubz said:
Actually the dead cops thing was shouted hours after the protest was over, by a group fairly far away from the protestors, by a few dozen people, and all the Ferguson protest groups condemned it immediately.

But, ya no, what are minor details like that to the mass media?
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Same protestors, just more open about it is all.
 
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ocean515 said:
Not wanting to dip too far into CT waters, I think it is becoming quite obvious there is more than meets the eye. Rather handy to have racial issues taking headlines, as opposed to increased unemployment in minority neighborhoods caused by illegal aliens who are winning the lottery under the Obama Administration.
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who's jobs are the taking? Are you going to go pick Strawberry's for a buck or two a hr? Are you going to pay ten or twenty bucks for a pint of Strawberry's? Alright then...

Without illegals food prices would be way higher than they already are...
 
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GreatNews2night said:
No. It's hard to believe that anybody would take Al Sharpton seriously.
Anyway, I believe the cop killer was mentally deranged. This factor in my opinion is likely to have played a much bigger role than anything Al Sharpton might have said or done.
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Of course Sharpton has helped contribute to their deaths. He is a race baiting piece of crap that, unfortunately, many people take very seriously. He rouses emotion, calls for disunity and sets the spark.
 
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b_dubz said:
who's jobs are the taking? Are you going to go pick Strawberry's for a buck or two a hr? Are you going to pay ten or twenty bucks for a pint of Strawberry's? Alright then...

Without illegals food prices would be way higher than they already are...
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This is long discredited. You aren't even using the most up to date (but equally discredited) liberal talking points.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Of course Sharpton has helped contribute to their deaths. He is a race baiting piece of crap that, unfortunately, many people take very seriously. He rouses emotion, calls for disunity and sets the spark.
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Of course he is, yet there are many here claiming he is a disinterested spectator, flying high above with his angel wings. :doh
 
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b_dubz said:
who's jobs are the taking? Are you going to go pick Strawberry's for a buck or two a hr? Are you going to pay ten or twenty bucks for a pint of Strawberry's? Alright then...

Without illegals food prices would be way higher than they already are...
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illegals get the same wages that Americans get... nobody gets a buck an hour.
 
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US Conservative said:
Of course he is, yet there are many here claiming he is a disinterested spectator, flying high above with his angel wings. :doh
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...and they are loony tunes. Admitting the truth is very scary for some because then they would actually have to think instead of just react.
 
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US Conservative said:
This is long discredited. You aren't even using the most up to date (but equally discredited) liberal talking points.
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You sure? If these illegal immigrants are not going to pick the crops then who will? The US unemployed? Not really, even in situations of higher unemployment a lot of farmers would not be able to harvest what the planted without illegal immigrants.
 
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