Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

ocean515 · Dec 24, 2014

Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Hatuey said:
First line:

Hey and here I am:

It's fun to make people look really silly. Again, trying to sue Black Lives Matter is literally like trying to sue Flower Power. Not only is it completely laughable as there is no organization called Black Lives Matter, it would be like trying to sue The Beatnicks or Beatlemania.

Well, with a website and names, clearly you are wrong. The organization responsible for the website didn't click it's Ruby Red slippers and cause it to appear out of thin air from the grand vapors of the internet. MOA simply identifies the individuals behind the group and buries them with multi-million dollar lawsuits. Doesn't matter if they are responsible or not.

Suit after suit. After all, millions of dollars in damages were suffered from small business owners just trying to keep their children fed. So they start with Janisha R. Gabriel, and Tanya Lucia Bernard. They will cave under the onslaught after having to lawyer up, and the rest of the group will be hit with the same effort. Of course, it might be that they get some sympathetic attorneys to step in to help them. But it will get complicated and costly. Pretty easy to do with a platoon of lawyers a business like MOA has available to them.

You're crushed here Hat. Reality, as predicted, has steam rolled your argument into the pavement.

vesper · Dec 24, 2014

Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Hatuey said:
Lmao, omfg. The rallies took place one the same day. So no, the rallies couldn't have been made up of the same protestors. The fact that the activists groups who organized them are entirely different people debunks you claim even further. I really wish you'd have a clue what it is you're discussing.

False. The activist organizations were already actively organizing protests in NYC prior to the announcement of the Grand Jury verdict on the Garner case. We know from the police that the cop killer had videotaped a protest rally on Dec 1 in NYC. The Grand Jury decision was issued on Dec. 3. These activist groups work as a network and were organizing protests across the country.

Lmao, what does that have to do with anything? Yes, this is the 21st century, people protesting the same cause can print similar signs. That doesn't make them part of the same organization or part of the same groups. Your arguments are really getting bizarre.

Ignorance is not bliss. Activist organizations print up posters then disperse them. When you find the same professional signs showing up in rallies all over the place, it's obvious that the same organization is responsible for them.

And still that is irrelevant to whether or not Black Lives Matter can be sued like you previously claimed they were going to be. As I've stated, Black Lives Matter is not going to get sued. Why? Because they're not a legal entity of any sort. This really is a pretty simple point.

The fact that you're hiding behind MRC just shows how little interest you have in informing yourself. However, even by using their link you still don't understand just what black lives matter is. He said it was the blacklivesmatter rally promoted by his National Action Network. In simpler words, it's an event organized under the movement of #blacklivesmatter. Now, as per the name of the actual rally:

From the makers of your videos:

'Justice For All,' 'Millions March' draw tens of thousands of protesters

Thousands join Al Sharpton in

Why would Sharpton give the name of another organization to his organization's rally? Again, you just proved how little information you actually have on what Black Lives Matter is. Not only do you not understand it, you really don't know who is leading these protests, how they are connected or for that matter just how they're coming about. Again, the makes of your video acknowledge that it's called the Justice for All protest. Furthermore, your video establishes that it is a #blacklivesmatter protest, and that it is organized by ... wait... National Action Network? Why the hell would Sharpton organize an event for something other than his organization? Wait... I know:

Black Lives Matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bingo! Because Black Lives Matter is not an organization. It is actually a movement and a hashtag. A movement representing a common cause by multiple unaffiliated rally organizers, activists, etc. A movement which, I'll remind you for the last time: Can't be sued.

Black Lives Matters is a movement involving protests/rallies/marches organized by several different activist groups networking together. There is also a group going by "Black Lives Matters".

Whoever the organizers of the protest at Mall of America under a Black Lives Matter event will be the ones that will be sued.

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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ocean515 said:
Well, with a website and names, clearly you are wrong.

A website and names is all it takes to be an organization? Lmao. elvis.com is a website with names. Does that make it an organization? No. Get serious. Your arguments really are getting desperate.

The organization responsible for the website didn't click it's Ruby Red slippers and cause it to appear out of thin air from the grand vapors of the internet.

What organization? I've already asked all those who keep claiming it is one to find a single legal entity registered under such a name. Hell, I even did the legwork for you guys and you still can't admit that there is no such thing as the Black Lives Matter organization.

MOA simply identifies the individuals behind the group and buries them with multi-million dollar lawsuits. Doesn't matter if they are responsible or not.

Try making some sense.

Suit after suit. After all, millions of dollars in damages were suffered from small business owners just trying to keep their children fed. So they start with Janisha R. Gabriel, and Tanya Lucia Bernard.

Oh good grief, those are the names you were discussing? These ones?

Graphics and Webdesign by Janisha R. Gabriel of Haki Creative with Contributions from Tanya Lucia Bernard

Lmao. Are you seriously trying to argue that people who created a website where they purposely stated they were a movement/hashtag and made no mention of being an organization is going to be held responsible for the actions of people in all 50 states? You're new at this, aren't you?

They will cave under the onslaught after having to lawyer up, and the rest of the group will be hit with the same effort. Of course, it might be that they get some sympathetic attorneys to step in to help them. But it will get complicated and costly. Pretty easy to do with a platoon of lawyers a business like MOA has available to them.

You're crushed here Hat. Reality, as predicted, has steam rolled your argument into the pavement.

Lmao, they're going to have to lawyer up for running a website then what? Are the thousands of people running twitter accounts and using the hashtag going to have to lawyer up too? Who had to lawyer up in the 60s for being a member of the counterculture movement? Lmao. You're seriously out of your league here ocean. When your first attempt didn't fly, you went into a long diatribe about what will happen in this magical future where political movements are sued out of existence.

ocean515 · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
A website and names is all it takes to be an organization? Lmao. elvis.com is a website with names. Does that make it an organization? No. Get serious. Your arguments really are getting desperate.

What organization? I've already asked all those who keep claiming it is one to find a single legal entity registered under such a name. Hell, I even did the legwork for you guys and you still can't admit that there is no such thing as the Black Lives Matter organization.

Try making some sense.

Oh good grief, those are the names you were discussing? These ones?

Lmao. Are you seriously trying to argue that people who created a website where they purposely stated they were a movement/hashtag and made no mention of being an organization is going to be held responsible for the actions of people in all 50 states? You're new at this, aren't you?

Lmao, they're going to have to lawyer up for running a website then what? Are the thousands of people running twitter accounts and using the hashtag going to have to lawyer up too? Who had to lawyer up in the 60s for being a member of the counterculture movement? Lmao. You're seriously out of your league here ocean. When your first attempt didn't fly, you went into a long diatribe about what will happen in this magical future where political movements are sued out of existence.

Keep dreaming Hat. I know it's important to hold to your meme no matter what. The issue will always be, follow the money. Easy to do when a group has a website and ongoing content.

Keep dreaming and posting what appears in your mind. Reality on the other hand, will always trump that approach.

Think about it for a moment if you can wake up long enough. Do you think a multibillion dollar operation like MOA isn't prepared to take all necessary action? They warned the group to stay outside. The group didn't follow this advice. Do you honestly think the MOA is going to allow other groups to take similar damaging action without inflicting a world of legal hurt on those who decide to do so?

Knock, knock, reality is at the door Hat. You might want to let it in every once in awhile. Does wonders for credibility.

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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vesper said:
False. The activist organizations were already actively organizing protests in NYC prior to the announcement of the Grand Jury verdict on the Garner case. We know from the police that the cop killer had videotaped a protest rally on Dec 1 in NYC. The Grand Jury decision was issued on Dec. 3. These activist groups work as a network and were organizing protests across the country.

Are you seriously this ignorant of the facts? Here are the two rallies in question:

From coast to coast, tens of thousands of people marched – and were still marching, as night came on - in solidarity with the families of those killed by law enforcement officers. The protesters, who were black, white, Latino, Asian, young and elderly, streamed through the city streets in Washington, New York, Boston, Chicago and Oakland. They carried protest signs that read “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” and banners that read “Black Lives Matter”.

Here’s a look back at the day’s key events:

Reverend Al Sharpton was joined at the march in Washington by the relatives of men killed by police officers
Gwen Carr, the mother of Eric Garner, called the DC protests “a history making moment”
In Boston, Massachusetts State Police arrested 23 protesters, mostly for disorderly conduct
As day turned to night, New York protesters halted traffic on Brooklyn Bridge
In Oakland, the mother of Oscar Grant told protesters: “We want officers to be held accountable for their actions… [to] feel that pain just as we have to feel it.”
Estimates of the size of the New York crowd varied widely, between 10,000 and 50,000
Before evening, there were no arrests reported in New York and Washington
Protests are still ongoing

Again, two different rallies, Sharpton was at the one in DC. It was called the Justice for All Rally. The one in NYC was called Millions March NYC. Both were organized using the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter. People have been trying to tell you since the start that these are two different events. People have been trying to explain to you that these events were not coordinated by the same people. People have been trying to tell you that Black Lives Matter can't be sued, because it's not an actual organization legally or otherwise.

Ignorance is not bliss. Activist organizations print up posters then disperse them. When you find the same professional signs showing up in rallies all over the place, it's obvious that the same organization is responsible for them.

Do you know what irrelevance means? Yes, activists are printing similar posters for a common cause. So what? Connect the dots? :lol:

Black Lives Matters is a movement involving protests/rallies/marches organized by several different activist groups networking together.

Well, it's some progress. Now how do you sue Black Lives Matter which doesn't exist on paper and is not incorporated anywhere?

There is also a group going by "Black Lives Matters". Whoever the organizers of the protest at Mall of America under a Black Lives Matter event will be the ones that will be sued.

It's like... 1 step forward... 3 steps back... with you. Do you understand that they won't actually sue Black Lives Matter because no such group exists legally or otherwise?

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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ocean515 said:
Keep dreaming Hat. I know it's important to hold to your meme no matter what.

Says the guy who tried to prove me wrong by posting a link that did the opposite of what he was trying to do. Remember when I stated they were a hashtag and a movement, then you posted saying I was a pretender by posting a link to a page where the website's creators established that the page was representative of a movement and not an organization? Then you pretended that webmasters could be sued for what people in the 50 states could do? Good grief, you failed on your first post. Walk away with some dignity and save yourself the process of avoiding my questions. It would have made you look worse than your first post did.

US Conservative · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
What are you even talking about? She claimed Black Lives Matter was a group and that it was going to be sued. I've already demonstrated that it can't be because it doesn't exist on paper. The fact that in this same page she admitted that it was some organizers that were going to be sued, after trying to argue endlessly that it was "Black Lives Matter" that was going to be sued is pretty indicative that she was in fact: wrong.

I hope you are being satirical.

Serenity · Dec 24, 2014

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vesper · Dec 24, 2014

Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Hatuey said:
Are you seriously this ignorant? Here are the two rallies in question:

Again, two different rallies, Sharpton was at the one in DC. It was called the Justice for All Rally. The one in NYC was called Millions March NYC. Both were organized using the hashtag #BlackLivesMatter. People have been trying to tell you since the start that these are two different events. People have been trying to explain to you that these events were not coordinated by the same people. People have been trying to tell you that Black Lives Matter can't be sued, because it's not an actual organization legally or otherwise.

Do you know what irrelevance means? Yes, activists are printing similar posters for a common cause. So what? Connect the dots? :lol:

Well, it's some progress. Now how do you sue Black Lives Matter which doesn't exist on paper and is not incorporated anywhere?

It's like... 1 step forward... 3 steps back... with you. Do you understand that they won't actually sue Black Lives Matter because no such group exists legally or otherwise?

Those operating under the banner Black Lives Matter have many names. They are all networking together. That is why no matter what protest is being organized, Urban League Inc. ( No Justice No Peace), or Fruit of Islam, or Hands up Don't Shoot Coalition know where to show up for the next big event. Many of these groups have chapters in large cities across the country such as the New York chapter of the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee, or TMOC where evidence is mounting that they were the group responsible for chanting for dead cops.

"Evidence from photos, videos, social-media posts and interviews suggest that a group—the New York chapter of the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee, or TMOC—might have been involved. There is no definitive proof that TMOC led the call for dead cops, but there is a web of circumstantial ties with the group at its center."

The Monsters Who Screamed for Dead Cops - The Daily Beast

The are a number of instances where the media is referring to this network of activists organizers as Black Lives Matter because they use the title for their events.

An Instagram can display a number of hashtags associated with different groups. i#turnuptheanger, is a hashtag associated with TMOC. (The first mention of #turnuptheanger on Twitter, for example, directs to a Facebook page hosted by the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee NYC.)

reinoe · Dec 24, 2014

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The answer to how Al Sharpton can be in Washington D.C. while also in New York is simple...Al Sharpton is a Magical Negro.

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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vesper said:
Those operating under the banner Black Lives Matter have many names. They are all networking together. That is why no matter what protest is being organized, Urban League Inc. ( No Justice No Peace), or Fruit of Islam, or Hands up Don't Shoot Coalition know where to show up for the next big event. Many of these groups have chapters in large cities across the country such as the New York chapter of the Trayvon Martin Organizing Committee, or TMOC where evidence is mounting that they were the group responsible for chanting for dead cops.

Well, by gosh, you finally got it. Now that you've admitted that Black Lives Matter is simply a banner used by various community organizers, groups, individuals, etc. We can move on to the actual question I asked you: How do you sue Black Lives Matter? That's what you originally stated was happening. You stated Black Lives Matter was getting sued. Will they (MOA) sue the people who created the hashtag? Will they sue the website? There is no legal entity called "Black Lives Matter", so how do you sue a conglomerate that isn't incorporated and is unified by a hashtag and a common cause? You sue everyone you believe is a member in that conglomerate?

Zyphlin · Dec 24, 2014

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Yes, many activists groups are taking up the hashtag of #Blacklivesmatter and one could say that "Black Lives Matter" could be the name of the movement.

That doesn't mean that everyone making reference to or supporting said hashtag are the same group or are all directly working together on each and everything they do.

Many activist groups took up the notion of the "Tea Party", giving rise to the "Tea Party" movement.

Many of those various groups at times worked together, or people who belonged to one group may've showed up at a different groups rally if they were near by. However....an event hosted by FreedomWorks, which Tea Party Express had no hand in organizing/promoting/leading, could not rightfully and honestly be claimed to have been led by "The tea party express".

Al Sharptons NAN making reference to, using the hashtag of, or supporting the movement "Black Lives Matter" does not mean Al Sharpton and NAN are involved in every single protest, part of every single group, and responsble for every single act of others who also reference/use/support the "Black Lives Matter" movement.

For someone to push such a ridiculous and illogical argument would be to suggest that the leaders of the various Tea Party groups are responsible for calls to lynch President Obama because a protester at a tea party event at some time made such a call, and apparently any leader of any group that ever did anything related to the "tea party" is thereby "leading" or "responsible" or "supporting" that action.

vesper · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
Well, by gosh, you finally got it. Now that you've admitted that Black Lives Matter is simply a banner used by various community organizers, groups, individuals, etc. We can move on to the actual question I asked you: How do you sue Black Lives Matter? That's what you originally stated was happening. You stated Black Lives Matter was getting sued. Will they (MOA) sue the people who created the hashtag? Will they sue the website? There is no legal entity called "Black Lives Matter", so how do you sue a conglomerate that isn't incorporated and is unified by a hashtag and a common cause? You sue everyone you believe is a member in that conglomerate?

I used BLack Lives Matter in the same way CBS did, and many other local news agencies covering these protests occurring in their cities across the nation because that is how they promote them.
Whoever the organizers were for the protest that happened at MOA, the owners of the mall know who they are because they personally informed them not to do their protest inside the mall. They informed them personally it would be illegal to do so on private property where it is not wanted. They did not listen. These individual activist groups who organized the protest will be sued. We don't know their names yet, but I'm sure they will be forthcoming.

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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vesper said:
I used BLack Lives Matter in the same way CBS did, and many other local news agencies covering these protests occurring in their cities across the nation because that is how they promote them.

Yes and both you and CBS are wrong. The fact that you used it wrongly like CBS did does not make you right. All it shows is that there are a lot of people who don't have a clue regarding just what these protests are about or how they come about or how they're organized. For pete's sake, you spent 2-3 posts arguing that the NYC/DC protests had been organized by the same people. That was easily disproven with a simple search on google and who organized the protests. The reason you argued this was because you actually believed that #blacklivesmatter was some sort of organization when it really is just a bunch of people using a label to define where they stand on an issue.

Whoever the organizers were for the protest that happened at MOA, the owners of the mall know who they are because they personally informed them not to do their protest inside the mall. They informed them personally it would be illegal to do so in private property where it is not wanted. They did not listen. These individual activist groups who organized the protest will be sued. We don't know their names yet, but I'm sure they will be forthcoming.

So you can't tell us how #blacklivesmatter or the movement will be sued? Good. If all you have is that some people may be sued personally, that's great. However, it won't mean much. Next week, a new protest will rise and then another, and then another, and then another. It's how political movements work. It happened during the OWS, it happened during the Tea Party campaigns of 2008. The political movements themselves will not be sued. That's just nonsensical and downright impossible. :shrug:

ocean515 · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
Says the guy who tried to prove me wrong by posting a link that did the opposite of what he was trying to do. Remember when I stated they were a hashtag and a movement, then you posted saying I was a pretender by posting a link to a page where the website's creators established that the page was representative of a movement and not an organization? Then you pretended that webmasters could be sued for what people in the 50 states could do? Good grief, you failed on your first post. Walk away with some dignity and save yourself the process of avoiding my questions. It would have made you look worse than your first post did.

Yes I remember all that. I remember how you failed miserably to avoid the obvious. Perhaps you could buy a clue and get further down the road. Clearly you've been owned on this, as it's quite obvious there is some form of organization behind the website and the people coordinating it's activities. I guess there are some who think such things just magically appear out of the vapors of space and materialize out of thin air.

You have much to learn.

Merry Christmas!

eace

vesper · Dec 24, 2014

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Zyphlin said:
Yes, many activists groups are taking up the hashtag of #Blacklivesmatter and one could say that "Black Lives Matter" could be the name of the movement.

That doesn't mean that everyone making reference to or supporting said hashtag are the same group or are all directly working together on each and everything they do.

Many activist groups took up the notion of the "Tea Party", giving rise to the "Tea Party" movement.

Many of those various groups at times worked together, or people who belonged to one group may've showed up at a different groups rally if they were near by. However....an event hosted by FreedomWorks, which Tea Party Express had no hand in organizing/promoting/leading, could not rightfully and honestly be claimed to have been led by "The tea party express".

Al Sharptons NAN making reference to, using the hashtag of, or supporting the movement "Black Lives Matter" does not mean Al Sharpton and NAN are involved in every single protest, part of every single group, and responsble for every single act of others who also reference/use/support the "Black Lives Matter" movement.

For someone to push such a ridiculous and illogical argument would be to suggest that the leaders of the various Tea Party groups are responsible for calls to lynch President Obama because a protester at a tea party event at some time made such a call, and apparently any leader of any group that ever did anything related to the "tea party" is thereby "leading" or "responsible" or "supporting" that action.

You have grass roots tea party groups and you have national groups like Tea Party Express. You have grass roots activist groups involved in Brown/Garner protests and you have national activist groups like the Urban League Inc. NAACP and National Action Network, The New Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Rainbow Coalition, etc. who are networking with all the grass roots groups such as Ferguson Action. Whoever the leaders of this movement are, they are very well funded to give assistance to many grass roots organizations to show up where they need them often on a work day for many.

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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ocean515 said:
Yes I remember all that. I remember how you failed miserably to avoid the obvious. Perhaps you could buy a clue and get further down the road. Clearly you've been owned on this, as it's quite obvious there is some form of organization behind the website and the people coordinating it's activities. I guess there are some who think such things just magically appear out of the vapors of space and materialize out of thin air.

So little understanding of how social networking works, so little understanding of how modern activism works. It literally costs less than 100 dollars for people to put together a website and even less to host it for a year. The work that actually went into the website was donated. The fact that 3-4 people organized to build the website does not make them an organization in the legal sense or otherwise. Hell, the fact that your first post showed that #blacklivesmatter is and always has been considered a movement is pretty indicative of just how wrong you are. Now, if you've got nothing else to contribute other than the same old routine proclaiming you won an argument when you completely destroyed your own assertions about what I knew/didn't know, my suggestion is you move along.

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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vesper said:
You have grass roots tea party groups and you have national groups like Tea Party Express. You have grass roots activist groups involved in Brown/Garner protests and you have national activist groups like the Urban League Inc. NAACP and National Action Network, The New Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Rainbow Coalition, etc. who are networking with all the grass roots groups such as Ferguson Action. Whoever the leaders of this movement are, they are very well funded to give assistance to many grass roots organizations to show up where they need them often on a work day for many.

Question: Can Al Sharpton be sued for what happened in Mall of America?

vesper · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
Question: Can Al Sharpton be sued for what happened in Mall of America?

I don't know, was his organizers on behalf of NAN those who organized the event and were told not to do so inside the mall?

Zyphlin · Dec 24, 2014

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vesper said:
You have grass roots tea party groups and you have national groups like Tea Party Express. You have grass roots activist groups involved in Brown/Garner protests and you have national activist groups like the Urban League Inc. NAACP and National Action Network, The New Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, Rainbow Coalition, etc. who are networking with all the grass roots groups such as Ferguson Action.

Correct. And the Tea Party Patriots. And FreedomWorks. And Americans for Prosperity (not sure why you decided to name just ONE national group for the tea party but rattled off half a dozen for Black Lives Matter.

And you like the Black Lives Matters movement groups, both local and nationally, you had national and local tea party groups ALSO networking.

All you're doing at this point is repeating what I've already said.

Yes, there are many groups involved in the Black Lives Matter movement (similar to the tea party). Every leader of every group involved in the black lives matter movement is not responsible for the events hosted by, the things said by, or the actions taken by every other group that's part of the movement...they're responsible for things the group they lead does.

If The Millions March NYC coalition (A local level black lives matter group) hosts an event under the auspices of the Black Lives Matter movement, that does not mean that Al Sharpton or the NAN are ALSO hosting THAT EVENT simply because they themselves are hosting an entirely different event completely seperate from the MMNYC that also happens to be under teh auspices of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Just like if the South Colorado Patriots Club (A local level Tea Party group) hosts a rally under the auspices of the Tea Party, that does not mean that Howard Kaloogian or the Tea Party express are ALSO hosting THAT EVENT simply because they themselves are hosting a different event in a different location completely seperate from the SCPC's event that happens to also be under the auspices of the Tea Party movement.

ocean515 · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
So little understanding of how social networking works, so little understanding of how modern activism works. It literally costs less than 100 dollars for people to put together a website and even less to host it for a year. The work that actually went into the website was donated. The fact that 3-4 people organized to build the website does not make them an organization in the legal sense or otherwise. Hell, the fact that your first post showed that #blacklivesmatter is and always has been considered a movement is pretty indicative of just how wrong you are. Now, if you've got nothing else to contribute other than the same old routine proclaiming you won an argument when you completely destroyed your own assertions about what I knew/didn't know, my suggestion is you move along.

I'm not wrong. I guess the group organizing the marches, and maintaining content had better get some more donations flowing, because they just might get a world of legal hurt raining down on them as they encourage more to join their group and inflict economic harm on innocent people just trying to keep their children fed and clothed. Amazing you don't hold the same values toward innocent children.

Regardless, it's your choice to remain uninformed. I guess it's difficult to admit your had it wrong when it's so critical to appearances to think you have it right.

Again, Merry Christmas! May the spirit of the season bring all that you deserve in life.

eace

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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ocean515 said:
I'm not wrong.

Your first post addressing me shows different. Remember how you claimed it was a group, and then the link said it was a movement?

I guess the group organizing the marches, and maintaining content had better get some more donations flowing, because they just might get a world of legal hurt raining down on them as they encourage more to join their group and inflict economic harm on innocent people just trying to keep their children fed and clothed.

I think my bunny slippers just ran for cover.

ocean515 · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
Your first post addressing me shows different. Remember how you claimed it was a group, and then the link said it was a movement?

I think my bunny slippers just ran for cover.

Come now Hat. You don't need to get so desperate in your attempt to avoid having to admit you're wrong that your clutching at straws now. It's a group/organization with marketing, communication, coordination, and infrastructure sufficient to maintain and coordinate activities. Exactly the type of thing a posse of lawyers would attack and bury.

No need to continue standing behind this line in the sand in the sand you've drawn Hat. You're wrong on this. It happens to all of us.

Peace be unto you in this glorious season.

eace

Hatuey · Dec 24, 2014

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ocean515 said:
Come now Hat. You don't need to get so desperate in your attempt to avoid having to admit you're wrong

Sigh, first post you addressed me, you got it wrong. Remember the first line, first paragraph thing? What did it say? My memory is hazy.

ocean515 · Dec 24, 2014

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Hatuey said:
Sigh, first post you addressed me, you got it wrong. Remember the first line, first paragraph thing? What did it say? My memory is hazy.

It says what it says. Sorry, I'm too lazy to go back and rehash you're errors in judgment again.

eace

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

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Im not American, no.

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