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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

tres borrachos said:
I know of one cop from California doing that earlier this month. Where else was it happening? And are you suggesting that the people in NY calling for the deaths of cops in a march were doing it because of him?

But what does it have to do with nobody taking ownership of their words and trying to restore calm in a time of great chaos?
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Well, yes. The reason why people are chanting for dead cops is because of spreading perception among the public (stimulated by a media crusade against police departments and the cops own natures besting them on social media) that cops don't value the lives of the public. Such a perception takes root in particular among the ethnically marginalized poor, whose collective experience maintains that they are on the receiving end of police brutality.

Even in communities where departments have relatively peaceful relations with such neighborhoods, there is a problem where crimes against certain demographics (colloquially referred to as "taxpayers", usually but not always whites) receive more attention and concern from the police than the ethnically marginalized poor. Generally, "taxpayers" have the know-how, connections, and resources to make the police pay for perceived sloppy or indifferent service more than the ethnically marginalized poor do; they have a better understanding of their rights, tighter finances, and a more developed comprehension of how to use the media to their advantage. In a world where police departments have limited resources and personnel, that means the interests of such persons (say a disappeared 19-year old white female from an upper middle class family) will be consistently rated above say, the disappearance of a 15-Latino male from a poor neighborhood.

And that's the good relations.
 
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Rev. Al Sharpton ?
 
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Utility Man said:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Rev. Al Sharpton ?
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Nope. Jefferson.
 
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APACHERAT said:
Whats being said is that Obama ignores his military advisers, they are out of the loop just like the Secretary of Defense is nothing more than a figure head under the Obama administration. The real Secretary of defense, those who are making the national security decisions and who are behind the social engineering of the military are Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice.
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What's being said is nice and all but I'd rather have some actual evidence to that before I jump to conclusions, can you or can you not back up your claims?
 
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CMPancake said:
What's being said is nice and all but I'd rather have some actual evidence to that before I jump to conclusions, can you or can you not back up your claims?
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Chuck Todd spoke about this in a less slanted way in an interview with Charlie Rose. His interpretation of it is that Obama does not have a good relationship with the military because the brass at the military refuses to consider anything new. The example he gave as best as I can recall was that from early on they would recommend a course of action. Obama would ask them to come up with other scenarios for him to consider and then they would come back and recommend the same thing they did the first time without proposing any alternatives so eventually the President became so frustrated with them trying to force him to do what they wanted him to do, that he sought out alternatives outside of military circles. Obviously the military circles do not like that. My take away was not the Obama dislikes the military so much as he likes to have lots of discussions and things to think about rather than just being told by someone else what to do.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
Why is it that "progressives" encourage the censorship in the mainstream media, but cry, falsely, "second amendment" at the first sign one of their own may be a monster?

This guy is, no doubt. But no, you cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, you cannot incite others to violence [cleverly done here] and you cannot, in sane countries, single out an "identifiable group" for any form of disrepute. Here, you may not get jail for robbery, but you will for what this prick is doing.

There is no "right" in anything he's doing, in fact the opposite made even more disgusting because he clearly doesn't even believe his own rhetoric, HE isn't going to march with the people he's stirred to action.

Martin Luther King weeps in his grave.
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Because its politically convenient, and they think nobody else notices. But they are right.

God damn right mlk is spinning.
 
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Perotista said:
I agree that Sharpton has feed the flames of racial tensions. He is a lightning rod. But If I read right the one who shot the police officers was an mental case. Although with mental cases Shapton could have been what tipped him to act. We will never know.
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You are right we wont know-but Sharpton is a mental case as well. And we can't pretend he's had no impact, and he's benefitted politically. We know...
 
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Fearandloathing said:
How insightful.

Words. The friends of the least of president's have to learn to use words in full sentences with verbs and predicates, you can leave the confusing part, adjectives and participles for later.

I guess you're cool with a call to kill people. How about this? "What do we want? Dead Democrats!"

That's all right in your book.

Don't ever try to tell anyone outside the Excited States that Obama's crowd aren't the biggest racists to come along since the KKK.
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I like to keep my words sweet and straight to the point. Sharpton never called for violence in his speech. Because of that, I don't see how his rhetoric incited some mad man into killing to cops.

Or in other words, nope.
 
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Fearandloathing said:
How insightful.

Words. The friends of the least of president's have to learn to use words in full sentences with verbs and predicates, you can leave the confusing part, adjectives and participles for later.

I guess you're cool with a call to kill people. How about this? "What do we want? Dead Democrats!"

That's all right in your book.

Don't ever try to tell anyone outside the Excited States that Obama's crowd aren't the biggest racists to come along since the KKK.
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Please provide the quote of Al Sharpton calling for dead cops.
 
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APACHERAT said:
It's being reported that it's now 84 times that Sharpton has visited the Obama White House and it's being reported that Sharpton is advising Obama.

It's also being reported that Rachele Maddow is also showing up at the White House. Not being reported if Maddow is advising Obama or if Obama is advising Maddow.
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(Citation needed)
 
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The dishonesty on display from the "Pin The Blame On The Liberal" crowd here is STAGGERING. They are going to continue to claim that Sharpton led the call for dead cops despite irrefutable evidence that he did not. Because they don't care. Demonization trumps honesty. These "calls to violence" are fantasy words that these conservatives are weaving out of whole cloth.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Who is saying he hasn't been inflaming the situation or helping to whip up the anger that's out there?

People disagreeing with the OP and the question asked in the poll is not the same as disagreeing that Sharpton hasn't been working people up.

This thread's original post and poll weren't asking if he "fanned the flames" of anger over the issue...it asked if he contributed to the death of these cops. Those are ENTIRELY seperate things.
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Not really-its in plain english (the liberals worst enemy)-if you think Sharpton had any effect towards the death of these innocent hispanic and asian American officers, you should have voted yes. Its fascinating you as a "conservative" voted no, though.
 
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Zyphlin said:
Oh really? Nice try.

You're seriously suggesting that in answer to the question of "Why did he drive to New York to kill cops instead of Baltimore" that "Because NYC cops are who killed Garner" isn't a legitimate possability?

Give me a ****ing break.
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Who asked that?
 
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APACHERAT said:
It's being reported that it's now 84 times that Sharpton has visited the Obama White House and it's being reported that Sharpton is advising Obama.

It's also being reported that Rachele Maddow is also showing up at the White House. Not being reported if Maddow is advising Obama or if Obama is advising Maddow.
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With that dude Maddow we can't be sure. But 84 times? yeah, sharpton and bama are well acquainted.
 
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US Conservative said:
You are right we wont know-but Sharpton is a mental case as well. And we can't pretend he's had no impact, and he's benefitted politically. We know...
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It is very possible Sharpton and the protests are what tipped the scales for this man to kill the two policemen. He could have seen the march in NYC which was chanting, "What do you want, dead cops, when do we want it, we want it now."

That could have been the catalyst that sent him from Baltimore to NYC. He's not around to let us know. So it is a guess. Some say yes, some say no. Being he was a career criminal, he probably felt prosecuted by the police. He may have planned something like this for a long time or it could have been spontaneous. We do not know.
 
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Declan said:
And you will continue to have these kinds of incidents when you pretend that the cops can do no wrong and can trample all over everybody else's right.
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YOU? You mean we? or do you support the deaths of these two young NYPD police officers?
 
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rabbitcaebannog said:
...and I stated it could be plausible. Any loon could show up to a protest or it could be provocateurs that show up.
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Sure, it's possible. It's also possible that they were, in fact, not infiltrators from the right, but rather Nazi's who had been frozen in Carbonite a'la Han Solo for two-thirds of a century who were unfrozen by the flames from the 9/11 attack and have been seeking to discredit the leftists whom they feel enable terrorists ever since.

It's just not likely.
 
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US Conservative said:
Not really-its in plain english (the liberals worst enemy)-if you think Sharpton had any effect towards the death of these innocent hispanic and asian American officers, you should have voted yes. Its fascinating you as a "conservative" voted no, though.
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Because he's not a hack who feels the need to play "Pin The Blame On The Liberal" every time something bad happens.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Without thug Al Sharpton's rhetoric.....I don't see this mess as ever getting to the point where any police officers were killed.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Without thug Al Sharpton's rhetoric.....I don't see this mess as ever getting to the point where any police officers were killed.
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Worst part about it is he makes his living off of doing **** like this....
 
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Interesting poll results, note that leftists voted as conservatives (its a public poll, meaning people outside of the forum can vote) at 10X their numbers. Those libs are watching. :2wave: But nobodies buying it.
 
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ObamacareFail said:
Without thug Al Sharpton's rhetoric.....I don't see this mess as ever getting to the point where any police officers were killed.
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Of course! Because, as we know, no police officer has ever been killed without Al Sharpton's say-so.
 
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