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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

My thoughts are that anybody who would take anything Sharpton says to heart is an idiot anyways. Idiots will be idiots. Being an idiot doesn't necessarily make one a cop killer. There are idiots all around everyday.

I don't think Sharpton is that respected or influential among the killing fringe of our society.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

The big one that marched up and down Broadway and then gathered outside the NYPD building. The one you're talking about. Not a one of us were talking to or about Al Sharpton, nor were any of us calling for violence against police.[/qujote]

the dudes in the video were marching towards one police plaza, you do know that right? because you in your section of a large protest were not, does not excuse the part that did.


Does it bother you to have to rely on lies to make your point? Like, if you had a good point to make, the truth would bear it out. But that's not what's happening here. Does that do anything to dissuade you?


What did I lie about? Is there really a need to make this personal?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

This is not the same thing at all. I believe most of the protesters are good, fine people, and I agree with alot of what is being said, there is some I don't agree with. What I am saying is that some of the rhetoric by the race hustlers does indeed incite this type of behavior.

No, this IS absolutely the same thing. I'm not dealing with the asinine "race hustlers" school yard terms. If you want to reference someone reference them by name. This thread is talking about Sharpton. Nothing sharpton has said can in any way, shape, or form reasonable be suggested a "inciting" a murder. NOTHING. There is not a SHRED of evidence presented thus far of Sharpton suggesting, encouraging, supporting, or even doing a Sharon Angle "hypothesising" of violence. NONE. Nadda. I've asked for it and not a single person has been able to provide.

At best they point to a random youtube video of protesters that might be participating in a a protest that might be linked to a civil rights group that is tied to Sharpton....as some kind of proof that Sharpton's "rhetoric" had "contributed" to the death of these police officeres.

The NAN has an active stance denouncing violence, and yet for some reason you seem to think that if Sharpton isn't proactively coming out and...what? making a press release? Doing the rounds on talk shows? Writing an editorial? Send out a tweet? What exactly..."denouncing" any craziness by anyone participating at any point in any protest connected to the NAN at all then it's somehow his fault?

Please, how is that any different than suggesting the head of various tea party groups needs to proactively run around denouncing things every time a Tea Partier at a rally suggests some matter of violence? Or says something retarded about revolution? Or says something racists?

It's ludicrous. Especially as it relates to the topic of this thread.
 
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By Katie Pavlich? Because she's a right wing shill.

But still. There seems to be something to it.

keep in mind that just one week ago protestors at his march in New York City were chanting, "What do we want? Dead cops! When do what them? Now!"
The protesters were part of Al Sharpton’s “Million Marchers” protest against police violence. The protesters chanted “What do we want?… Dead cops!” as they marched in New York City.​



Meanwhile, former NYPD Commissioner Bernie Kerik is accusing Sharpton and NYC Mayor Bill De Blasio of having blood on their hands.

"In this circumstance I believe, I personally feel, that Mayor de Blasio, Sharpton and others like them, they actually have blood on their hands,” Kerik said. “They encouraged this behavior. They encouraged protests. These so-called peaceful protests that, where people are standing out there saying ‘kill the cops.’”

“Well, I hope they’re happy, because they got what they wanted,” Kerik added.​

H/T Gateway Pundit
FLASHBACK: Al Sharpton's Marchers in New York City Chant "What Do We Want? Dead Cops!" - Katie Pavlich

I'll grant you that it's an unconfirmed report, and along with FALs earlier post which stated that 'reports' is equal to 'I made some **** up', makes it suspect.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. But ask yourself, why is it wherever Al Sharpton shows up bad things happen?

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Really?

AL SHARPTON DIDN'T SHOW UP THERE! He was in DC

But god forbid logic, facts, or common sense interfere with your desperate attempt to throw out ridiculous rhetorical questions :roll:
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

****ing beyond digusting when partisan hacks here and elsewhere used the death of a little girl and the injury to multiple poeple to push their pathetic political agendas in the past, and it's beyond disgusting when the same kind of thing is happening here as well.

Al Sharpton did not call for Cops to be killed. Al Sharpton did not give any encouragement for cops to being killed. Al Sharpton did not advocate for any violence ot be done. Al Sharpton did not encourage for any illegal activity to be engaged in. Al Sharpton did not lead any chants calling for violence. Al Sharpton did not organize any protest aimed at spurring criminality.

If you want to say Al Sharpton used irresponsible language and needlessly enflamed a situation via his comments and his support for significant protests, that's completely reasonable.

If you want to suggest Al Sharpton specifically contributed to the death of two police officers you're being absolutely unreasonable and foolish, using horrible logic and guilt by association tactics at best, and outright falsehoods and dishonesty at worst.

Sickening, disgusting, and sadly not surprising from those who must toe follow their political agendas at all costs, principles, logic, consistency, decency, or reasonableness be damned.



That is my opinion, even if I could show sharpton said those words, at the end of the day we are responsible for our own actions.
 
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FLASHBACK: Al Sharpton's Marchers in New York City Chant "What Do We Want? Dead Cops!" - Katie Pavlich[/qoute]

Because an unsourced claim by Town Hall is clearly fact :roll:

Let's ignore that Sharpton, on the day the youtube video was proported to have been video taped, was involved in a protest in DC....clearly, he was leading that group chanting because a random townhall report says so without any factual evidence backing it up.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I don't believe that was said.

Yeah - the argument by "Hard Truth" was that people had infiltrated the anti-cop protests in order to embarrass them by instigating or participating in violence.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

No, this IS absolutely the same thing. I'm not dealing with the asinine "race hustlers" school yard terms. If you want to reference someone reference them by name. This thread is talking about Sharpton. Nothing sharpton has said can in any way, shape, or form reasonable be suggested a "inciting" a murder. NOTHING. There is not a SHRED of evidence presented thus far of Sharpton suggesting, encouraging, supporting, or even doing a Sharon Angle "hypothesising" of violence. NONE. Nadda. I've asked for it and not a single person has been able to provide.

At best they point to a random youtube video of protesters that might be participating in a a protest that might be linked to a civil rights group that is tied to Sharpton....as some kind of proof that Sharpton's "rhetoric" had "contributed" to the death of these police officeres.

The NAN has an active stance denouncing violence, and yet for some reason you seem to think that if Sharpton isn't proactively coming out and...what? making a press release? Doing the rounds on talk shows? Writing an editorial? Send out a tweet? What exactly..."denouncing" any craziness by anyone participating at any point in any protest connected to the NAN at all then it's somehow his fault?

Please, how is that any different than suggesting the head of various tea party groups needs to proactively run around denouncing things every time a Tea Partier at a rally suggests some matter of violence? Or says something retarded about revolution? Or says something racists?

It's ludicrous. Especially as it relates to the topic of this thread.
I agree with you in general Zyphlin. However it does bear noting that last week, it was in fact at the Al Sharpton lead "Million Marchers" protest that the “What do we want?… Dead cops!” chant originated. The Rev has learned some harsh lessons since the days of the Fashion Mart. To his credit he has quickly and publicly distanced himself from these cries for cop murder as rightly he should IMO. In fact he has denounced the murders, but it is fair to point out where the call for cop murders came from. Maybe the Rev will learn a new set of lessons about what the impact of the protest he sponsors can be. It does not take much for a protest to morph into a MOB these days. Sadly Mr. Sharpton and his constant race pimping for decades now, does have some part in all of this repugnant s**t.
 
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That is my opinion, even if I could show sharpton said those words, at the end of the day we are responsible for our own actions.

Okay.

That's not what's being discussed in this thread. It's not being asked in this thread whether or not he was being irresponsible or if he was inflaming the situation. The words and videos in the op? Those weren't suggesting that he was accint irresponsible, those were suggesting he was contributing to their deaths. Those people in this thread, like Kobie for instance, criticising things...they're criticising the notion that's the topic of this thread which is that the OP suggest he's contributing to their deaths.

What you're in here arguing is not what is being asked, and it's why you've got people disagreeing with you and having issues with you, because you're coming in and stating things and disagreeing with people who are saying he's not responsible for contributing to their death.

When people are saying he wasn't there, he wasn't leading any chant, he wasn't calling for peoples death, this question is ridiculous, the answer is no...and then you come in talking about how the killer acted "at least partially" on sharpton's "rabble rousing" and demanding proof that he denounced those protesters...how exactly are people supposed to respond it it OTHER than you seemingly defending the notion that he contributed to those cops death?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I agree with you in general Zyphlin. However it does bear noting that last week, it was in fact at the Al Sharpton lead "Million Marchers" protest that the “What do we want?… Dead cops!” chant originated. The Rev has learned some harsh lesson since the days of the Fashion Mart, so to his credit he has quickly and publicly distanced himself from these cries for cop murder as rightly he should IMO. In fact he has denounced the murders, but it is fair to point out where the call for those cop murders came from. Maybe the Rev will learn a new set of lessons about what the impact of the protest he sponsors can be. It does not take much for a protest to morph into a MOB these days. Sadly.

Show the chant originated in the million march and not in the protest in NYC, come on back your "in fact" up.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I agree with you in general Zyphlin. However it does bear noting that last week, it was in fact at the Al Sharpton lead "Million Marchers" protest that the “What do we want?… Dead cops!” chant originated.

Again, there is NO PROOF OF THIS. None.

There's a bunch of right wing news sites making the claim, without ANY sourced verification what so ever, that Sharpton was actively there, participating, or leading said protest. NONE. I've asked for it time and time again, nothing has been provided. NOTHING.

At BEST, it may be a set of protesters that were part of a larger overall protest that was organized initially by a civil rights group founded by Sharpton...which is ENTIRELY different than suggesting SHARPTON made such statements, which is what was originally suggested.

And even that isn't verified.

Sharpton was in DC, an entirely different city, actively stating openly at the protest an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT message that was intrinsically against killing police (by suggesting they are not anti-police). To hold him responsible for rhetoric, or worse to suggest it originated or came from him, that he did not say, did not lead, and did not participate in...simply because the people saying it MAY have been part of a larger event that was originally organized by a civil rights group he's a founder of is ridiculously dishonest and illogical.
 
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Yeah - the argument by "Hard Truth" was that people had infiltrated the anti-cop protests in order to embarrass them by instigating or participating in violence.

...and I stated it could be plausible. Any loon could show up to a protest or it could be provocateurs that show up.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

the dudes in the video were marching towards one police plaza, you do know that right? because you in your section of a large protest were not, does not excuse the part that did.

The people in that video were not part of the group going to the police plaza. We were all there shortly after the sun set. The people in the video were around 34th street and farther east than our march went, and it was already dark. No one from the march was that far north or east that late. As I said, I don't know who the people in that video are or even if the video is real, but the location they're stated to be in is not one where the organized protesters were at any time the video could be taking place. Whoever they are, they were not part of the large march. And the march had nothing to do with Al Sharpton. No one who was actually part of the march called for violence against police. We called for them to be tried in an open court of law so that a jury of their peers could evaluate their guilt or innocence, rather than leave it to closed grand juries, which almost never indict police when they kill someone.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

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Really?

AL SHARPTON DIDN'T SHOW UP THERE! He was in DC

But god forbid logic, facts, or common sense interfere with your desperate attempt to throw out ridiculous rhetorical questions :roll:

What part don't you get, Sharpton was in NYC and holding rallies and press conferences. He had the crowd fired up. The day he announced the DC march he did so with Garner's widow, mother and children on the stage with him in NYC. His rhetoric was one that black people can't trust the police or grand juries.

From REUTERS posted at Huffo Puffo

"Rev. Al Sharpton (L), President of the National Action Network, Esaw Garner (R), widow of Eric Garner, and son Emory Garner (C) hold a press conference December 3, 2014 in New York, after a grand jury decided not to charge a white police officer in the choking death of Eric Garner, a black man, days after a similar decision sparked renewed unrest in Missouri."


"NEW YORK, Dec 3 (Reuters) - Civil rights activist Al Sharpton on Wednesday called for a protest march in Washington following a New York grand jury decision not to indict a white policeman in the chokehold death of an unarmed black man.

"We have no confidence in local state prosecutions because state prosecutors work hand in hand with the local police," the veteran civil rights activist told a news conference in Harlem to announce the Dec. 13 march.

Appearing with Sharpton were the mother and widow of Eric Garner, 43, a father of six who died in July after police used a banned chokehold while arresting him for selling loose cigarettes.

"This thing is just breaking my heart, just pulling me apart," said Gwen Carr, Garner's mother.

Esaw Garner, his widow, said: "Who's gonna play Santa Claus for my kids this year?" (Writing by Ellen Wulfhorst, Reporting by Frank McGurty; Editing by Sandra Maler)"

Al Sharpton Calls For March In Washington After Eric Garner Ruling

Just like he did in Ferguson. Plans a news conference parading the victims family with him declaring the same rhetoric that the cop was guilty, the grand jury can't be trusted, all before one damn bit of Grand Jury evidence had been released. He used the victims family as sympathy pawns while he made unfounded accusations that fired up the crowd in NYC that later protested, assaulted police and chanted some pretty ugly hatred.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Okay.

That's not what's being discussed in this thread. It's not being asked in this thread whether or not he was being irresponsible or if he was inflaming the situation. The words and videos in the op? Those weren't suggesting that he was accint irresponsible, those were suggesting he was contributing to their deaths. Those people in this thread, like Kobie for instance, criticising things...they're criticising the notion that's the topic of this thread which is that the OP suggest he's contributing to their deaths.

What you're in here arguing is not what is being asked, and it's why you've got people disagreeing with you and having issues with you, because you're coming in and stating things and disagreeing with people who are saying he's not responsible for contributing to their death.

When people are saying he wasn't there, he wasn't leading any chant, he wasn't calling for peoples death, this question is ridiculous, the answer is no...and then you come in talking about how the killer acted "at least partially" on sharpton's "rabble rousing" and demanding proof that he denounced those protesters...how exactly are people supposed to respond it it OTHER than you seemingly defending the notion that he contributed to those cops death?




I am not my brothers keeper. I simply speak my mind on the topic. who it agrees with and who it doesn't is not my concern. I think sharpton should be irrellevant except we have a media and a president who gives him counsel. so now we are stuck with the huckster. I would have respected him more had he come out and called out the protestors on the "national day of resistance", and the "million marchers",) who called for dead cops and denounced it, there would be no thread like this today.

I also believe that had this gourp of protestors chanted as such at the one police plaza gathering point, they would not have been met with boos but perhaps even maybe some cheers, from present posters included.


look, we now have all sides acting like idiots. you have th NYPD guy talking about "war policing" which actually sums up the problem nicely. They are police not soldiers no matter how hard they try to be the latter, the fact he would even say "War policing" shows the problem with thier mindset, then you have the other side who make mike brown out to be this poor victim, and tying him to an actual victim eric garner.

top that off with all these well to do limousine liberal rich kids pretending to be down with the struggle of the black race and you have this whole circus we have today. It's insane on all sides and amazing I am arguing against actions of both police and protestor in numerous threads and basically get the same treatment from thier respective sycophants.

It's all good, but my opinions are my own, not based on what others may or may not have said.

And I did have a flyer that had who was the organizer was, and I really believe it was NAN.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Again, there is NO PROOF OF THIS. None.

There's a bunch of right wing news sites making the claim, without ANY sourced verification what so ever, that Sharpton was actively there, participating, or leading said protest. NONE. I've asked for it time and time again, nothing has been provided. NOTHING.

At BEST, it may be a set of protesters that were part of a larger overall protest that was organized initially by a civil rights group founded by Sharpton...which is ENTIRELY different than suggesting SHARPTON made such statements, which is what was originally suggested.

And even that isn't verified.

Sharpton was in DC, an entirely different city, actively stating openly at the protest an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT message that was intrinsically against killing police (by suggesting they are not anti-police). To hold him responsible for rhetoric, or worse to suggest it originated or came from him, that he did not say, did not lead, and did not participate in...simply because the people saying it MAY have been part of a larger event that was originally organized by a civil rights group he's a founder of is ridiculously dishonest and illogical.
I was pretty specific that I did not think Sharpton made any "murder" comments at all. Though of course he did call for people to go to the streets and protest. But you make a good point, as it has only been two days I suspect that if the protest in NY was part of Sharpton's "Million Marches" we will know the answer eventually. But I'm prepared to say right now that I have to agree with you, aside from Town Hall I don't see that assertion being reported anywhere else. I did some checking too. I can't even find a good link for the "Million Marches" protest and everything I am seeing seems to indicate that it was as you say, a DC related event. I'm going to keep my eyes peeled for more developments on this.

By the way, here is a very thorough reporting on the events in NY last week. I'm short on time and have to step away, so have not been able to really look at it yet to see if there is anything there. Is it possible that he protest in NY was called "Justice for All" not MM? No idea if that was associated or sponsored by Sharpton, like I said I'm literally out of time for this right now and will have to come back to it later.
Justice for All and Million March NYC police brutality protests
 
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The people in that video were not part of the group going to the police plaza. We were all there shortly after the sun set. The people in the video were around 34th street and farther east than our march went, and it was already dark. No one from the march was that far north or east that late.

Nonsense, after you all dispersed, you went as far as blocking the west side highway, and other places.


As I said, I don't know who the people in that video are or even if the video is real, but the location they're stated to be in is not one where the organized protesters were at any time the video could be taking place. Whoever they are, they were not part of the large march. And the march had nothing to do with Al Sharpton. No one who was actually part of the march called for violence against police. We called for them to be tried in an open court of law so that a jury of their peers could evaluate their guilt or innocence, rather than leave it to closed grand juries, which almost never indict police when they kill someone.

wait, so now you think it was all a setup and fake? tell me how that would come about. lol


the protest that day was large, you are speaking for all of it?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Nonsense, after you all dispersed, you went as far as blocking the west side highway, and other places.

Which would then be long after the video takes place. And you know, the march was over when it dispersed, so nothing that took place then would be part of it. What some people decided to do on their own has nothing to do with the organized march.

wait, so now you think it was all a setup and fake? tell me how that would come about. lol

I have no idea. I just know that the organized march was somewhere else when that was taking place, so those people aren't associated with it. I don't know if they were genuine, or a fake group trying to smear the protest, or if the video itself is fake with altered audio. I'm not even suggesting that it is fake. I honestly don't know. I'm just telling you what I do know. Whoever those people are, they were not associated with the organized march.

the protest that day was large, you are speaking for all of it?

Nope. Just speaking the facts.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Which would then be long after the video takes place. And you know, the march was over when it dispersed, so nothing that took place then would be part of it. What some people decided to do on their own has nothing to do with the organized march.

You are hair splitting, of course the same people who were at your march would be the same people they were when they were blocking highways and chanting death to cops.


I have no idea. I just know that the organized march was somewhere else when that was taking place, so those people aren't associated with it. I don't know if they were genuine, or a fake group trying to smear the protest, or if the video itself is fake with altered audio. I'm not even suggesting that it is fake. I honestly don't know. I'm just telling you what I do know. Whoever those people are, they were not associated with the organized march.

To even suggest it was someone else, fake, is folly. They were part of the national day of outrage, etc. they were protesting like you. now what you can say, is that the organizers condemned what those other protesters were doing, but that never happened. Or hel even come out that day and say "they ain't us". but they didn't.

They were at your march that day and dispersed into smaller groups like the rest of them.


Nope. Just speaking the facts.


That is non responsive to my question. you seem to believe you are the sole voice for the mindset of all the protestors in your midst.
 
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Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


Sharpton inflamed a volatile situation. It's part of the way he makes money. He tries to get in front of a large crowd or movement, makes lots of noise giving him power, and then when a situation comes up like Sony, he extorts money from them, becomes a spokesman for them and promises them he'll make their race problem go away.
 
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Sharpton inflamed a volatile situation. It's part of the way he makes money. He tries to get in front of a large crowd or movement, makes lots of noise giving him power, and then when a situation comes up like Sony, he extorts money from them, becomes a spokesman for them and promises them he'll make their race problem go away.
Sawdust who is funding Sharpton? Got any ideas?
 
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Sawdust who is funding Sharpton? Got any ideas?

Why is THAT relevant?
 
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