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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Not a word you just posted addresses anything I said. You are reinforcing your own rank hypocrisy.

All I've asked is for one quote that encourages this sort of violence in any way. Crickets.

There is a long history of Sharpton inciting violence, and he slinks away like the slimy poverty pimp he is. These two cops are just the latest in a long list.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Sharpton wasn't even in NYC,

So he had to be there? Serious?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I'm right leaning (but rational) and voted no. I'll copy paste from another thread I just posted on.

Sharpton is a tool, a hustler, a joke. Having said that, I don't know why NY is yelling at Blasio and blaming him!? A man getting in front of the mic and saying that cops need to be accountable or have higher standards( in general) is not a man disparaging cops or calling for their murder. People need to get a grip!!
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Oh so now we've discovered your standard. I'd also like to point out that you, a supposed conservative, are dismissing personal responsibility in order to throw accusations at someone whom you don't like politically.

By your own metrics you believe Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and a lot of other people who advocated "2nd amendment solutions" were responsible for the 2011 Tucson shooting which left 6 people dead and 14 people injured.


And thus we see why I despise conservatives. They advocate things as long as it's convenient and then when called on their hypocrisy they walk it all back.

Can you remind me when Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck led protests where chants of "What do we want? Dead Congressmen!" "When do we want them?" "Now!"? were being made?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

There is a long history of Sharpton inciting violence, and he slinks away like the slimy poverty pimp he is. These two cops are just the latest in a long list.

There sure is. Al Sharpton
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Can you remind me when Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck led protests where chants of "What do we want? Dead Congressmen!" "When do we want them?" "Now!"? were being made?
Sharpton didn't lead those chants either :shrug:
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Oh so now we've discovered your standard. I'd also like to point out that you, a supposed conservative, are dismissing personal responsibility in order to throw accusations at someone whom you don't like politically.

By your own metrics you believe Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, and a lot of other people who advocated "2nd amendment solutions" were responsible for the 2011 Tucson shooting which left 6 people dead and 14 people injured.


And thus we see why I despise conservatives. They advocate things as long as it's convenient and then when called on their hypocrisy they walk it all back.

Can you please explain how support for the 2A is calling for criminal violence? Is support for the auto industry calling for deaths and injuries caused by vehicles?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

The guy who shot the cops is the one who is reponsible.

While the Sharpton and others may've acted unwisely in ways that helped enflame the population, that is not actively "contributing" to a murder as they have no hand in that act.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

And thus we see why I despise conservatives. They advocate things as long as it's convenient and then when called on their hypocrisy they walk it all back.

Seems like a pretty laughably dumb reason to "despite conservatives" since that trait is completely visible on both sides, unless your bigotry towards conservatives have caused you to forget that many liberals were blaming Rush and Palin and others very actively and very vocally then but largely have remained silent (if not outright defensive) of people in this given situation.

Nothing like hypocritically despising hypocrisy.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Can you remind me when Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck led protests where chants of "What do we want? Dead Congressmen!" "When do we want them?" "Now!"? were being made?

They never did. Then again, i've seen no evidence Sharpton did in terms of the cop version of said statement...so I'm not sure really what the point of either example is relevant to the situation. Sadly, that reality hasn't really stopped either side
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Only 61 times! Man how could people ever get the idea Obama's a huge fan when Sharpton's only visited 61 times? I just dont know.

Indeed. Normally, people with such, err, 'colored' past aren't welcomed at the White House.

Sharpton Owes $4M in taxes, Still hasn't paid his legal obligations for damages from the Tawana Brawley case.

The guy is a real piece of work. You know he started out as a drug hustler for a street gang until he turned on them as an informant, right?

Such a (*cough*) trustworthy (*cough*) fellow, and welcomed at Obama's White House, frequently. Just goes to show you, this is far from any sort of 'post racial' president, as he once claimed of himself.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Can you please explain how support for the 2A is calling for criminal violence? Is support for the auto industry calling for deaths and injuries caused by vehicles?

Oh give me a break with this kind of transparent non-argument. If you have to be so intellectually dishonest regarding a statement just to defend your position then you need to reaccess your argument, stance, and ability to actually defend your view. I can't believe for a second you honestly believe that if someone is talking about "second amendment solutions" (even though that exact phrase is incorrect) to tyranny that they're meaning "support for the 2nd amendment".

The quote in question...that reinoe stupidly 1) misquotes and 2) misattributes...is about "second amendment remedies". Said quote was:

Angle: I feel that the Second Amendment is the right to keep and bear arms for our citizenry. This not for someone who's in the military. This not for law enforcement. This is for us. And in fact when you read that Constitution and the founding fathers, they intended this to stop tyranny. This is for us when our government becomes tyrannical...

Manders: If we needed it at any time in history, it might be right now.

Angle: Well it's to defend ourselves. And you know, I'm hoping that we're not getting to Second Amendment remedies. I hope the vote will be the cure for the Harry Reid problems.

(SOURCE)

Angle was not talking for "support for the 2nd amendment". She was not saying that "When the government becomes tyranical [the 2nd amendment] is to defend ourselves. And I hope we're not getting to the point of supporting the 2nd amendment" :roll:

Angle's comments was suggesting that she was hoping we weren't getting to the point as a country where people felt they needed to "defend" themselves" from "tyrany" b using "remedies" provided by the second amendment (arms).

When talking about "second amendment rememdies" she most certaintly wasn't talking about "support for the 2nd amendment".

It's far easier to blow up reinoe's ridiculous prejudice based bellowing by pointing out she doesn't even get the quote right, she misattributes who actually said it, and the quote itself was not "advocating" for but specifically suggested a hope that people DON'T feel such a thing is needed.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

"Race hustler" is the new conservative term for "black guy we don't like."

The original post is ridiculously dishonest. There was one picture, followed by two videos. The first of the two videos is protesters saying "dead cops." Not cool, not acceptable. The second video is of Sharpton speaking at a rally, tastefully narrated by Fox News. They were not the same rally. Yet the obvious intent was to portray them as the same rally.

US Conservative, lying again.

And I'm speaking as someone who doesn't even LIKE Al Sharpton. It's funny that conservatives fancy themselves the ones who are all about personal responsibility ... until some "lib" says something you don't like, and then his Professor X mind control powers kick in and it's all his fault. Pathetic.

It takes a lot of nerve to accuse Al Sharpton of "Race hustling" when you're doing it in SPADES. Pun ****ing intended.

Considering it likely went over your head, conservatives believe that being responsible for your own actions also includes responsibility for your own words. Liberals, even the fake Libertarian kind, believe they can spew whatever hate they want and then step back and wash their hands of the havoc they may cause.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Since so many conservatives are deseperately attempting to suggest that blaming Al Sharpton is legitimate here...

It shouldn't be hard for one of them to provide me a quote from Al Sharpton encouraging, or calling for, any criminal act in regards to these recent killings.

So there you go. Provide me with a link of Sharpton advocating for an illegal action to be done. If tha can be provided I'll get right on board with the accusation that Sharpton is guilty of inciting this crime.

Note...showing a youtube video of one random protest that is advocating for a crime, and then showing a youtube video of an entirely seperate protest that Sharpton is a part of that isn't advocating for a crime, and then trying to equate them as being the exact same thing and thus Sharpton is guilty is NOT a legitiamte argument.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


I think the perception among quite a lot of whites that Sharpton and the protests had a lot to do with the death of the 2 NYPD officers. But perceptions may not be real and may have little or no facts, truths to back them up. But how people perceive things leads them to their conclusions of what is happening and going on.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

No. Not at all. Calling for peaceful protest is not calling for violence and calling for murder. If you think they somehow did contribute to this murder, then you are just a flat out idiot and a hack.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Just because Al Sharpton is a convicted felon, a racist pig and a tax dodger and he did incite riots in past years that does not make him responsible for the two LEO's death.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

I do not think Al Sharpton helped the matter but it would be foolish to assign him blame. It sets us up for a discussion that takes us even further away from what we need to be talking about when it comes to race relations, law enforcement, system of justice, economics, representation, and a dozen other subjects that all involve a social cohesion that few (including Al Sharpton) seem interested in.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Considering it likely went over your head, conservatives believe that being responsible for your own actions also includes responsibility for your own words. Liberals, even the fake Libertarian kind, believe they can spew whatever hate they want and then step back and wash their hands of the havoc they may cause.
Let me get this straight.

People are responsible for their own actions. However, a man with a record of arrests, no indication of joining any protests, and may be mentally unstable, shoots his girlfriend in Baltimore and then travels to New York to shoot a pair of police officers, is not responsible. The blame lies with a political grandstander

Or: Leftists duck responsibility by blaming problems on larger social structures and externalities. Conservatives obviously don't do that when they, uh... try to portray the shooter as not actually responsible for his own actions, because he was just doing what other people told him to do. Even though no one, including Sharpton, actually told anyone to gun down police officers in broad daylight, or endorsed the use of violence against the NYPD.

Huh?

Blaming this on Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or protestors is not about proper attribution of responsibility. The murder of officers Ramos and Liu is not a result of anything Sharpton, or Di Blasio, or any protests. If Sharpton did not exist, if Lhota or Quinn had been elected instead of Di Blasio, then citizens would still be livid about police abuse; there would still be national protests over the Brown and Garner grand jury debacles; and Brinsley almost certainly would have shot someone.

If you really want someone to "take responsibility," then perhaps you should support holding the handful of abusive NYPD officers accountable for their actions, and support revisions of police policies that make them less antagonistic to the communities they are supposed to protect.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

maybe the media contributed more than everyone put together i guess al Sharpton and holder should just shut up and let the cops keep killing people at will.. a lot of certain people would be so happy.....i am surprised all the evil things said about Obama by the right that he is still alive.....remember him hanging from a noose.. he is a hitler a dictator how many politicians called Obama that......ooooohhhh but i am sure that's different
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Didn't he lead the same march in 3 cities? And the rhetoric was the same, now cops are dead.

My understanding is that Sharpton was leading a march in Washington D.C. at the time the protesters in NYC were chanting about killing cops.

I've heard nothing at all that indicated Sharpton supported the idea of killing cops, either tacitly or implicitly.

It's also my understanding that both Sharpton and Gwen Carr (Eric Garner's mother) have condemned the police killings in NYC.

I think Sharpton is a race hustling douchebag, but I don't see how he can be tied to the execution of police officers.

I didn't vote in the poll because I don't really lean one way or the other in general (though I do lean given particular issues).
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

i did not hear al Sharpton say kill or hurt police or disobey any orders given by the police so quit blaming him....in fact he said have only a peaceful demonstration or march he repeated this over and over and you know this...the problem is you feel he has no right to talk about police making mistakes....in fact no one has the right to talk about police making mistakes or using bad procedures with citizens...they are not gods.....a citizen has no rights when it comes to how a police treats us and they can do whatever they want to us in the streets period now after saying that all police are not bad at all.. most use good judgement and care about human life this also goes for black people to
 
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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Naw, I think the mass media's crap coverage did.
 
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