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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contr to the deaths of 2 Police officers? [W:68, W:433]

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


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Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It wouldn't have been an interesting trial. If he were captured after killing two cops, he would have gotten the death penalty. That's how the majority of Americans feel about crimes like this. Mentally ill or not, he would be sentenced to die in America, because we don't flinch at killing mentally ill scumbags.

Absolutely, totally wrong. There is no death penalty in New York, your ignorant blatherings notwithstanding.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

The sad thing here is that Media Matter's is ignoring the lefts on hypocrisy while pointing out the hypocrisy of those on the right.

Yes, Fox and many on the right focused on blaming the killer and just the killer and downplayed any role "rhetoric" may've been responsible for the killing in las vegas. Yet now many are gleefully going after Sharpton for his "rhetoric" being responsible here. Yet on the flip side of the hypocrisy coin, that Media Matters just happens to ignore, many on the left were gleefully attempting to tie the killing of the Vegas officer to the tea party and Bundy and placing blame on those groups for the killers actions...but now are quick to suggest Sharpton or these protesters aren't culpable and the blame should lie solely on the killer.

Hypocrites abound.

It's disingenuous to sit on your high horse and claim hypocrisy all around and then flat out ignore and try to dismiss the role anti-cop rhetoric may have played in the assassination of these two cops. Maybe there wasn't a specific call from Sharpton to murder cops - I never claimed that - but you'd have to be a fool to deny the "dog whistle" and cumulative effect of Sharpton and the left wing race baiting pimps who make the death of every two bit black hustler and criminal thug a cause celebre against police.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

What's saddest of all is that he uses the families of people like Garner to advance his own agenda (and collaterally, his image, his power, his agenda). Why they keep joining him is beyond me. He doesn't deserve a minute of serious attention and he deserves no respect. The man is a cancer in society. Eric Garner's wife seems so decent. She needs a better mouthpiece than him.

But why wouldn't blacks take Sharpton seriously? After all our president does. Sharpton has visited the White House over 80 times since President Obama was elected according to the visitor log at the White House and has been reported that Sharpton has become Obama's advisor on race relations. There have been multiple times on news casts where the president and Al Sharpton were photographed together. Stories of Al Sharpton attending the first lady's 50th birthday party to being invited to watch major sporting events in the private living quarters of the White House. It was also reported this year that President Obama was the guest speaker at Al Sharpton's activist group fund raiser. Do you remember the coverage of Al Sharpton vacationing at Martha's Vineyard staying in Valerie Jarrett's home that was just down the road from where the President and his family were vacationing? Al Sharpton was asked to speak at the last DNC convention. While most of us scratch our heads wondering how this clown can be taken seriously, others have raised him to a position that gives him validity. So while he goes around accusing cops, prosecuting attorneys and grand juries as being racists and we have a president and an Atty General fueling those same sentiments, the people believe him.

Sharpton is the provocateur that shows up at any event that will help further his comments that our justice system can't be trusted when it comes to blacks. He is a professional pot stirrer. Unfortunately, stirring the pot this time trying to make what happened in NYC out to be racist has resulted in two dead cops. It really is unfortunate because as he focuses on a white cop killing a black person he never focuses on the high crime rate in black communities and the high volume of black on black crimes and the reasons behind them nor does he recognize the need for a high presence of police in these communities.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Sure, it's possible. It's also possible that they were, in fact, not infiltrators from the right, but rather Nazi's who had been frozen in Carbonite a'la Han Solo for two-thirds of a century who were unfrozen by the flames from the 9/11 attack and have been seeking to discredit the leftists whom they feel enable terrorists ever since.

It's just not likely.

Strangely, it wasn't stated anything was infiltrated from the right. With that said, and since you brought up the topic, the media circus on this issue trying to spin this is in fact being done by the right wing media.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It wouldn't have been an interesting trial. If he were captured after killing two cops, he would have gotten the death penalty. That's how the majority of Americans feel about crimes like this. Mentally ill or not, he would be sentenced to die in America, because we don't flinch at killing mentally ill scumbags.

He would have gotten the death penalty in a state where the death penalty was ruled unconstitutional in 2004?

You should probably check your facts before making completely false posts in the future.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Keep dodging, lady. I was simply making a point that there is more productive conversation to be had about the issues surrounding the rally itself. Body cameras are relevant to that discussion, but I wasn't inviting you to debate body cams. It was a small side point I mentioned.

Fox News is relevant to the thread, because Fox News clips were posted in the OP portraying Al Sharpton as appearing in front of crowd cheering for cops to be killed.

I don't know what you believe is false or inaccurate about Fox's portrayal or how influenced you are by such coverage. However, media groups are powerful and should be criticized for misleading people with edited and spliced video. The OP was obviously influenced by the Fox report. My point was that Fox could be having a more productive conversation and use their power to improve the safety of our police officers and neighbors. It seems you want to dwell on the tragedy itself and let your fears run wild.

The poll question (which I understood, perhaps you didn't) was:

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It was not about body cameras. It was not about Fox News. It was exactly what the subject line said.

I didn't watch the clips at the beginning. I don't need Debate Politics to educate myself on who Al Sharpton is. I grew up outside of NYC and remember the first time I heard his name - the Tawana Brawley lies. And if you want to know what the OP is influenced by, take it up with him, not me.

If you didn't know who Al Sharpton was before this poll, then that's your issue.

If you would like to engage me in discussion, stick to the topic of the thread I'm posting on.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Which Sharpton had nothing to do with, so how would Sharpton to be responsible if he was motivated by people Sharpton had nothing to do with chanting support for a crime being performed.

If you want to talk about whether or not those individuals in that particular crowd "contributed" to those deaths, that's at least a more reasonable argument, as you have a legitimate argument in terms of "inciting" the murder when you're talking about people actually directly advocating for the illegal activity in question.

But that has nothing to do with Sharpton.

Perhaps, but Sharpton didn't do anything to tone anything down either. One could say he was a bit of a fan. Perhaps even guilt by inaction. But no one can see the future, besides in my reply I used the word possible and not the word was.

There are times and situation were one's inaction's can be as deadly or more than one's actions.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Strangely, it wasn't stated anything was infiltrated from the right.

:shrug: that seems the fairly obvious implication at the notion that "idiots would show up just to make the protest look bad with their behavior".
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

I recall when President Clinton tried to link Timothy McVeigh and his bombing in Oklahoma to Rush Limbaugh and talk radio. This kind of stuff is not new. In fact I still see arguments like that made today. I saw Rudy Juiliani trying to do the same thing Clinton did, but only aimed at the current occupant of the White House. I don't think any of this s**t is helping.

Good points. It seems anytime some nut does something and previously expressed an interest in something, that interest is always seen as the source to blame however crazy it seems. By moving the blame or saying a movie, music, rhetoric, or whatnot takes away from the actual person who committed the atrocities and does not help.

I mean could you imagine these thread if Sharpton had indeed said something crazy like, "Don't Retreat – Instead Reload” but the fact is he never called for any kind of violence and is still getting violent acts linked to him.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Unless Mr. Sharpton is dumber than a box of rocks, he must know that his words yield results. When racial tensions are at a tipping point, often brought right to the edge by race pimps like Sharpton, it takes very little to push them over.
What's more, showing the world how easily a group of people with grievances can be turned into a wild mob helps nothing to bridge racial divides. Feeding anger does that.
What we need is dialogue, calm and peaceful dialogue. Speak so that people will listen. Mr. Garner's daughter Emerald has accomplished that with a few sentences. When people speak intelligently and weigh their words carefully, people listen. We are being judged by our actions, by our character and yes, our words. Thus far, Mr. Sharpton has shown us that the black community is capable of what exactly?

Mr. Sharpton is nothing but a self serving narcissist with blood on his hands, and those who give him the time of day do so as well.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

Good points. It seems anytime some nut does something and previously expressed an interest in something, that interest is always seen as the source to blame however crazy it seems. By moving the blame or saying a movie, music, rhetoric, or whatnot takes away from the actual person who committed the atrocities and does not help.

I mean could you imagine these thread if Sharpton had indeed said something crazy like, "Don't Retreat – Instead Reload” but the fact is he never called for any kind of violence and is still getting violent acts linked to him.
Well I agree with your general stance. However, Sharpton is linked to violent acts from his past by his complicity and responsibility in them. So he won't ever be free from such links, nor should he be. You can still condemn his professional race baiting pimp career, without blaming him for calling for the violent acts of two days ago in NY. He certainly has responsibility in the racial atmosphere in the country today, following decades of demagoguery and race baiting for a living. But I doubt we will see him get up from his seat at the White House and change his ways, look where it got him?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

Well I agree with your general stance. However, Sharpton is linked to violent acts from his past by his complicity and responsibility in them. So he won't ever be free from such links, nor should he be. You can still condemn his professional race baiting pimp career, without blaming him for calling for the violent acts of two days ago in NY. He certainly has responsibility in the racial atmosphere in the country today, following decades of demagoguery and race baiting for a living. But I doubt we will see him get up from his seat at the White House and change his ways, look where it got him?

Yes but do you think there are no racial issues in this country that still need to be addressed and a good leader needs to be able to address those without being labeled a race baiter? Not that I think Sharpton is the best leader for the job or has a perfect history but it seems you can't address any kind of prejudice without being labeled.
 
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Yes but do you think there are no racial issues in this country that still need to be addressed and a good leader needs to be able to address those without being labeled a race baiter? Not that I think Sharpton is the best leader for the job or has a perfect history but it seems you can't address any kind of prejudice without being labeled.
I would hazard the guess that there will always be racial issues in the country. Just like I have found the same still exist outside of it too. Just not to the extent that we are obsessed with it in America. And I mean obsessed. I don't think the Rev is any kind of a leader much less a good one, but he sure has a big part in the currently racially charged air of the country. The Rev earned his stripes, KARMA is a bitch as they say.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Now you are cherry picking the poll over the OP... :lol:

The poll wasn't about body cameras. The poll wasn't about cops walking off the job either, but that was a point you made. In response to your point, I made the point of body cams and new training programs should be considered to better protect the safety and rights of our officers.

I wasn't expecting a debate on body cams with you. I was simply making a point and sharing my views... lol



The poll question (which I understood, perhaps you didn't) was:

Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

It was not about body cameras. It was not about Fox News. It was exactly what the subject line said.

I didn't watch the clips at the beginning. I don't need Debate Politics to educate myself on who Al Sharpton is. I grew up outside of NYC and remember the first time I heard his name - the Tawana Brawley lies. And if you want to know what the OP is influenced by, take it up with him, not me.

If you didn't know who Al Sharpton was before this poll, then that's your issue.

If you would like to engage me in discussion, stick to the topic of the thread I'm posting on.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Where is the anti-cop rhetoric you are talking about? The only anti-cop rhetoric I have seen is from a bunch crazy nut bags at a rally. That is hardly the same as Sharpton or left wing media personalities promoting violence towards our cops.


It's disingenuous to sit on your high horse and claim hypocrisy all around and then flat out ignore and try to dismiss the role anti-cop rhetoric may have played in the assassination of these two cops. Maybe there wasn't a specific call from Sharpton to murder cops - I never claimed that - but you'd have to be a fool to deny the "dog whistle" and cumulative effect of Sharpton and the left wing race baiting pimps who make the death of every two bit black hustler and criminal thug a cause celebre against police.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

:shrug: that seems the fairly obvious implication at the notion that "idiots would show up just to make the protest look bad with their behavior".

Not everything has to do with left vs right.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Where is the anti-cop rhetoric you are talking about? The only anti-cop rhetoric I have seen is from a bunch crazy nut bags at a rally. That is hardly the same as Sharpton or left wing media personalities promoting violence towards our cops.

Educate yourself, then maybe we can have a discussion. I'm not your research assistant.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

Not everything has to do with left vs right.

Sure. As I said, it could be Nazis. It's just not likely.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

To the OP. In your poll, "I'm" is spelled that way, not "Im".

Just here to help educate you! :) We want to make sure we don't look silly now don't we?
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers? [W

I voted "yes", but it isn't that simple.

I feel Sharpton on a moral level shares part of the blame for those murders, but not from a legal standpoint. The reason I say that is because he stoked the fires of racial anger and did so under false pretenses. He went to Ferguson and instead of being the voice of reason and telling the community to wait until all the facts were known, he willingly embraced the unsubstantiated, unproved (and ultimately false) "racist cop kills unarmed black teen" narrative and encouraged black people to take to the streets. Thanks to him, people across America falsely believe that the catch they've heard and seen from politicians, athletes and celebrities "Hand up, don't shoot" has some basis in fact, when it doesn't. It has led to a lot of racial animosity, hatred and anger toward police across the country for doing something that they never did.

What makes matters worse is, even after the facts were known, Sharpton never set the record straight and continued to encourage people to take to the streets and voice their anger.

He is a leader in the black community who for some unknown reason, is listened to and revered by black people across America. With leadership comes power, and with power comes responsibility. Al Sharpton acted irresponsibly and abused that power, and in my opinion that makes him partly responsible for not only the murder of those 2 policemen, but responsible for the millions of dollars in damages and lives that were ruined in Ferguson.
 
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Al Sharpton's race hustling and poverty pimping are long known and he's a frequent guest to the Obama whitehouse, but in recent days Sharpton led a rally in NYC where "What Do We Want?… Dead Cops!” was shouted. As we know, two of NYPD's finest were executed by a man who may be an islamist. The two cops weren't even white-just cops.
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Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?


Al Sharpton is a bottom feeder who's done nothing to improve any situation he bitches about.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

His rhetoric advocated dead cops, do you disagree?

Yes. Provide the quote from Sharpton or you are lying.
 
Re: Did Al Sharpton's rhetoric contribute to the deaths of 2 NYPD Police officers?

You mean the Sharpton-led protest he wasn't present at and wasn't organized by his group? Why continue to perpetuate that lie?

Repeat a lie often enough and some people will believe it.
 
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