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Does racism still exist in USA ?

Does racism still exist in USA ?


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Is it your contention that racism and racial bigotry are the same thing? If not, what are the differences.

Racism:
1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2: racial prejudice or discrimination

Bigotry:
1: the state of mind of a bigot
2: acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot

Both from Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

Put them together and its about a person (note that it uses the singular form in bigotry definition, not plural) that believes or has the state of mind that race is the primary detriment of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race.

Also there are only two types of laws that is about race in the USA.

First one is Affirmative Action. In this one minorities are favored over the majority. However it includes ALL minorities and not just race. But race is a big part of it.

The other type of laws that is about race is Hate Crimes. Where people are charged with two crimes for committing one crime. It was supposed to be designed to prevent crimes based on race and other hateful actions. (but for this discussion we'll focus on the race part) In reality it perpetuates racism for the simple fact that it incenses people every time they see an instance (perceived or real) of a hate crime.

Every other law out there in todays day and age has nothing to do with racism in any degree of rational thought. Yet there are many who fully believe that certain laws were made specifically to target X race. Reality of it is that they don't target any race at all. This is not to say that racist cops won't target a specific race because they do and are doing so. That is not the fault of the system however. It is a fault with in individual human beings. This is why there is no such thing as "institutionalized racism" in the way that you try and explain it eco. The only institutionalized racism is AA and hate crime legislation. But even that is not really racism. Bad laws yes. But not really racism as they were meant to correct a problem but have failed miserably and only made things worse.

Now I know that you will continue to ignore the very real fact that only individuals can be racist and try to claim the whole is racist in the guise of institutionalism. But that is nothing more than a generality that is also based on willful ignorance. Willful ignorance because you don't want to admit that minorities have a very large say in how things go. You don't want to admit it because then that would bring in the very real fact that people are individually responsible for their actions. That they can't just blame everything that happens on something or someone other than themselves.

Racism exists and it is very real. Don't water it down by attempting to place the blame on everyone "not you". Place the blame on the individuals that perpetuate such garbage. There's a very real reason that people such as Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton and Rush Limbaugh are as "popular" as they are. I wonder if you know the answer to the why of that? I'll bet that you'll get the answer wrong though. Assuming that you'll even attempt to answer the question and not just try and side step it or spin it.
 
The other type of laws that is about race is Hate Crimes. Where people are charged with two crimes for committing one crime. It was supposed to be designed to prevent crimes based on race and other hateful actions. (but for this discussion we'll focus on the race part) In reality it perpetuates racism for the simple fact that it incenses people every time they see an instance (perceived or real) of a hate crime.

Gross ignorance.
 
And yet you can't come up with a single rebuttal that disproves anything that I said in that whole post of mine.

I think that paragraph of gross ignorance is enough to discredit your entire BS racist rant.

Hate crime legislation fights race, gender and other group-based terrorism. A random property or anger crime is not the same thing as randomly targeting a member of a group in order to instill fear in that group. There are no "protected groups" as hetero white males have been victims of hate crimes.

When you have a clue what hate crime legislation is and means, you'll see how backwards that paragraph is. You want to protect terrorists by treating them as common criminals. Specifically, you want to protect racist terrorists from being prosecuted for their intentions.
 
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I think that paragraph of gross ignorance is enough to discredit your entire BS rant.

Hate crime legislation fights race, gender and other group-based terrorism. A random property or anger crime is not the same thing as randomly targeting a member of a group in order to instill fear in that group. There are no "protected groups" as hetero white males have been victims of hate crimes.

When you have a clue what hate crime legislation is and means, you'll see how backwards that paragraph is. You want to protect terrorists by treating them as common criminals. Specifically, you want to protect racist terrorists from being prosecuted for their intentions.

1st Fail: Calling racists "terrorists" just throws more water into your arguments.

2nd fail: Re-read what I said in that part. Because no where in that quote did I say "groups".

Here it is again so that you don't have to scroll up.

The other type of laws that is about race is Hate Crimes. Where people are charged with two crimes for committing one crime. It was supposed to be designed to prevent crimes based on race and other hateful actions. (but for this discussion we'll focus on the race part) In reality it perpetuates racism for the simple fact that it incenses people every time they see an instance (perceived or real) of a hate crime.

Considering you've just proven that you don't even know what was said I think that you have shown that you don't care what is actually said. You will continue to ignore it in order to promote the idea of "institutionalized racism". And that is all that it is. An idea. Not based in reality.
 
Along the lines of indicators of continued racist thinking, would the jury have been racist if they found him guilty because he was black, or innocent because he was black?

martin is black, zimmer is Brown but the jury is composed of whites

l believe it is not justice
 
Who cares about racism in the USA? Why do we have to care about that? What about in Turkey where a black man can't even marry a white skinned woman easily?

:shock:

dont troll my thread with ignorance and hate

turkeys are all red ....
 
American racism has changed from the 60's where the majority used it to oppress minorities to minorities using it to terrorize the majority into submission today.
 
Socialist =/= Russian (which one wouldn't have much choice in) or Soviets.

I must be missing something.

Best you not get involved then.
 
martin is black, zimmer is Brown but the jury is composed of whites

l believe it is not justice

Medusa, that is the 'purest' form of racism, if ever there was one.

Paul
 
American racism has changed from the 60's where the majority used it to oppress minorities to minorities using it to terrorize the majority into submission today.

Yes, whites are being terrorized into submission, straight into being the vast majority of most positions of power in America, like organs of governments and corporations. lol.
 
Medusa, that is the 'purest' form of racism, if ever there was one.

Paul
l agree that people shouldnt be categorized according to their skin colors.but they call each other White ,black etcc.
 
So long as there's blood pumping in Calypso Louie's veins, so long as there is air in Brotha Jesse's lungs, so long as there is give in Al "Pin the yarmulke on the Jew" Sharpton's waistband, there will be racism in the USA.
 
martin is black, zimmer is Brown but the jury is composed of whites

l believe it is not justice

So you're demanding they both should have been found innocent because they were black or brown. Gee, that's not racist at all. :boom
 
So you're demanding they both should have been found innocent because they were black or brown. Gee, that's not racist at all. :boom

you know l am not.

you also know what l mean

lets be honest.............

please lets be honest
 
Racism will always exist in some people. I think a lot of folks today view racism as a hatred to someone of another skin color when it is actually feeling superior because of the color of your skin. One does not have to hate anyone to feel superior.
 
Sure it does, there are still individual racists in every country on the planet. Institutionalized racism? No.
 
Yet it exists independent of any individual's ideas.



All abstract objects are memes? Abstract objects are not real?



The only way to stop racism is for everyone to deny thinking of it? Hows does that end racism? You think ignoring a problem makes it go away?

You've had over 4 years on the forum to formula your solution to what you have claimed is a problem in hundreds, if not thousands, of messages.

So... let's hear your solution.

If there is no solution, it's not worth talking about or debating is there?
 
You've had over 4 years on the forum to formula your solution to what you have claimed is a problem in hundreds, if not thousands, of messages.

So... let's hear your solution.

If there is no solution, it's not worth talking about or debating is there?

The solution to ignorance is always the same: education. It seems stupid that I'd need to explain that to anyone.

Are you claiming racism is not a problem.
 
Yes, of course. It exists everywhere. The US is no different.
 
The solution to ignorance is always the same: education. It seems stupid that I'd need to explain that to anyone.

Are you claiming racism is not a problem.

In the scope of real problems not really, no. Cries of racism has become a self-pity excuse and a cheap political tactic that's worn thin and is more destructive than helpful.

I have nothing against a person getting an education. It's a good idea, particularly if a job marketable education, wouldn't you say so?
 
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