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Does racism still exist in USA ?

Does racism still exist in USA ?

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TurtleDude said:
claiming one race cannot be racist is racist
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My claim is not based on race, it's based on social power dynamics. Could be blacks or otherwise, depending on circumstance. For example: blacks in eastern Africa can be racist against Arabs, perpetuating systemic privilege. But Arabs in eastern Africa cannot be racist against blacks, except on a global scale, as they lack the national/regional power to perpetuate systemic privilege or oppression.
 
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Ryan5 said:
Who cares about racism in the USA? Why do we have to care about that? What about in Turkey where a black man can't even marry a white skinned woman easily?
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Why should I care what Turkey does? And why should I care about interacial marriage?
 
ecofarm said:
It's a simple thing, TD. Equating racism and racial bigotry is stupid. Do you honestly believe there is nothing more to racism than racial bigotry? Can you really equate the two?
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It's just another excuse for violance. Humans are good at rationalizing bad behavior.
 
Jerry said:
It's just another excuse for violance. Humans are good at rationalizing bad behavior.
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What's another excuse for violence?
 
ecofarm said:
My claim is not based on race, it's based on social power dynamics. Could be black or otherwise, depending on circumstance. For example: blacks in eastern Africa can be racist against Arabs, perpetuating systemic privilege.

You're claiming noting race, at all, even in a sociological context, is racist? Your definition has narrowed to "racism = noting race"?
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"Nigger" does not note race in it's most common usage.

To believe it does is to have a race-centered view, and to then avoid the word is to give special treatment because of race.

And giving special treatment based on race is racism.
 
Jerry said:
Make a thread on the general topic of violence and we can go into detail. Meanwhile, this topic is racism.
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You made the claim. You mentioned violence, not me. I'm just asking wtf you're on about.
 
Jerry said:
giving special treatment based on race is racism.
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Umm... no. Racism is about oppression and the subjugation of supposedly inferior people. It's about social power. Measures to correct injustice and systemic privilege are not racism, even if you personally cannot understand how the measure is corrective and otherwise beneficial.
 
ecofarm said:
Umm... no. Racism is about oppression and the subjugation of supposedly inferior people. It's about social power. Measures to correct injustice are not racism, even if you personally cannot understand how the measure is corrective and otherwise beneficial.
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:bs :bs
 
Jerry said:
"Nigger" does not note race in it's most common usage.
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I believe you're confusing 'nigger' with 'nigga'. You do understand one is a racial slur and the other is not, right?
 
TurtleDude said:
:bs :bs
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So, if a society notes that blue people (for example) are being treated unfairly and takes corrective action, that corrective action is racist?
 
ecofarm said:
So, if a society notes that blue people (for example) are being treated unfairly and takes corrective action, that corrective action is racist?
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if straw people are treated badly is it fair to make bricks out of them?
 
ecofarm said:
Umm... no. Racism is about oppression and the subjugation of supposedly inferior people. It's about social power. Measures to correct injustice and systemic privilege are not racism, even if you personally cannot understand how the measure is corrective and otherwise beneficial.
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Any action based on race, is racism.

If you deni collage entrance because the applicant is black, that's racist. If you accept collage entrance because the applicant is black, that's racist.
 
ecofarm said:
I believe you're confusing 'nigger' with 'nigga'. You do understand one is a racial slur and the other is not, right?
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I've been called both and I'm as white as paper.
 
Jerry said:
Racism is just another excuse for bad behavior, yes.
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So racism doesn't really exist, it's just a myth used to rile people up?
 
ecofarm said:
So racism doesn't really exist, it's just a myth used to rile people up?
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Racism is a meme: "an idea, behavior, or style that spreads from person to person within a culture." The memes that spread furthest, fastest, and live the longest are memes that help us vent our passions; that's why Rush Limbaugh is so successful even after his death.

Racism only exists as an idea in our heads. It's not a real thing in it's own right. Racism exists in so far as ideas exist. Racism is not a myth. Racism is used to rile people up but that is not the only thing it's used for.
 
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Only against conservative white males
 
Jerry said:
Racism only exists as an idea in our heads.
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No, it exists as an influence on society independent of any individual's thoughts.

It's not a real thing in it's own right. Racism exists in so far as ideas exist.
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Abstract objects are real and not equivalent to individual ideas. Do you also claim math isn't "a real thing in its own right"?

You mean it's not a physical object? Yes, obviously racism is not a physical object. I think everyone understands that. Were you under the impression some people believe racism is a physical object; I've never met any such person, have you?
 
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