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Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

  • Jeb Bush's family

    Votes: 11 50.0%
  • Clinton's family

    Votes: 11 50.0%

  • Total voters
    22
Hah! My status quo? You mean the system of apportionment that we've used since the very beginning of our nation? And btw, if you want that to change in your state, go for it. Some states don't allow gerrymandering. Each does it slightly differently. Gerrymandering is for the People's House, the most representative body for the people in the federal system. Why shouldn't it be decided by the representatives closest to the people in each state? Have you even read the Federalist Papers? Gerrymandering is discussed.

Btw, no matter how you decide to draw those lines you're going to "artificially limit choices".

i mean that letting politicians draw their own districts is the ultimate conflict of interest, as well as being completely ****ing stupid policy.
 
i mean that letting politicians draw their own districts is the ultimate conflict of interest, as well as being completely ****ing stupid policy.

Then have your state apportionment controlled by an "independent" body, some states do that you know.
 
Then have your state apportionment controlled by an "independent" body, some states do that you know.

i would be glad if a computer drew the districts instead of some partisan asshole trying to keep his seat.
 
Let me guess. You don't like Jeb Bush's wife because she's overweight.

Huh?

Hillary's a fat woman as well, what's it matter?



Christ. Are you people serious with "being offended on an internet forum" or is this some kind of forum-esq morality squad type stuff you all can't shake out of habit? Bleh. Get over yourselves already.
 
what do you think manner means?

Manner, the way the elections are held. Doesn't mean apportionment. Apportionment has nothing whatsoever to do with the time, place or manner elections are held. Perhaps you need to refresh yourself on what gerrymandering and apportionment mean.
 
Manner, the way the elections are held. Doesn't mean apportionment. Apportionment has nothing whatsoever to do with the time, place or manner elections are held. Perhaps you need to refresh yourself on what gerrymandering and apportionment mean.

Perhaps you should refresh yourself with what the supreme court has already decided it means.
 
i would be glad if a computer drew the districts instead of some partisan asshole trying to keep his seat.

Cool, contact your state representatives and/or your governor. Make the suggestion. Get the ball rolling.
 
Perhaps you should refresh yourself with what the supreme court has already decided it means.

I have, show me where you believe the SCOTUS has decided anything other than the state decides on apportionment. Look, you're demonstrating you don't have a clue what these terms mean or how our system of government works.

To repeat and already linked:

States are allowed to draw their congressional districts, as outlined in Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution, which establishes that every 10 years a national census shall be taken. Based on the outcome of the shifts in populations, each state must redraw their congressional districts, but how this is done was never specified, leaving it up to the states. This has meant that the political party in power has an advantage and might try to redraw the districts in its favor, sometimes resulting in oddly shaped districts
 
Huh?

Hillary's a fat woman as well, what's it matter?



Christ. Are you people serious with "being offended on an internet forum" or is this some kind of forum-esq morality squad type stuff you all can't shake out of habit? Bleh. Get over yourselves already.

You're the guy who repetitively starts threads complaining about people being fat. The habit is yours....not mine.
 
"That could hurt Jeb in the primaries."
As Jeb Bush is a Republican Candidate with a diverse family background... this comment leads me to assume it means that since the racial bigotry of republican voters , it would hurt Jeb in the primary.

Your reply to "How so?" suggested that you thought your example proved racial bigotry in the state of South Carolina. Which only confirms my first assumption.

If this is not your intention, then please clarify.... but seeing as how you replied to the conversation that is the only logical assumption. I'm reading between your lines.

I showed that that occurrence had little to no affect with McCain losing South Carolina.... so it wasn't effectively used against him, but it is an effective tool to slander Southern republicans.

My intention was to state that Bush's family could be used against in the same manner that McCain's family was used against him. Whether it had palpable effects is another matter. However, it's indisputable that his family was used to hurt him at least in NC. :shrug:
 
Wow, the Bush money and insiders is really pushing him hard now. A Clinton v. Bush general election would mean the money and power people won no matter how it turns out. They would get any war they wanted, and breaks for Wall Street they want, and even more federal government power, plus less citizen rights.

In a Clinton v Bush campaign you can both against yourself OR you can vote against yourself.
 
Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?



Clinton family:

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Jeb Bush's family:
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There aren't enough African, Native, Asian and South American Americans in those pictures to look American
 
Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?



Clinton family:

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Jeb Bush's family:
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Americans of Hispanic decent are not American?
 
There's something both splendid and wonderful watching supposed moral people storm into a thread throwing their every accusational insecurity in life out into the open.


Turns the notion of good and bad guys right on its head. ;)
 
There aren't enough African, Native, Asian and South American Americans in those pictures to look American

In total there are eight people pictured. Four of them are "South American Americans". That's half.
 
In total there are eight people pictured. Four of them are "South American Americans". That's half.

Is the little lady South American? Where from?
 
From my count, I count:

Three Amerindians and four Western Europeans.

See if you can guess who is who.



Try to remember, as painful as it may be for you, that nationality doesn't actually exist. Geopolitical states are a thought, not a reality. Biology is a reality.
 
Looks like a bunch of privileged richers if you ask me.

True, but the first one is self made. We are from the same home town (Hot Springs, Ar). I used to wait on his mother at the Majestic Hotel in Hot Springs when I was in High School. Clinton came from humble beginnings, his own hard work and intellect is why he because successful.
 
True, but the first one is self made. We are from the same home town (Hot Springs, Ar). I used to wait on his mother at the Majestic Hotel in Hot Springs when I was in High School. Clinton came from humble beginnings, his own hard work and intellect is why he because successful.

And a police force to pick up chicks for him when he was governor. Rich, privileged are all the same.
 
And a police force to pick up chicks for him when he was governor. Rich, privileged are all the same.

And the schizophrenic owner of Dooziers Bait Shop outside out off of Carpenter Dam Road that was the source of such rumors...
 
And a police force to pick up chicks for him when he was governor. Rich, privileged are all the same.

Jeb Bush's daughter does have a wild notion of what a pharmacy is used for apparently... And to think she's going to have access to White House Doctors....

Dear Jesus save us all..


USATODAY.com - Jeb Bush's daughter charged with prescription fraud


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01/29/2002 - Updated 09:42 PM ET

Jeb Bush's daughter charged with prescription fraud

By Deborah Sharp, USA TODAY


Tallahassee police via Reuters
Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's daughter, Noelle Bush, after her arrest early Tuesday.

The daughter of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was arrested Tuesday in Tallahassee on charges of trying to fill a fake prescription for the popular tranquilizer Xanax.

Bush and his wife, Columba, issued a statement that they were "deeply saddened" by the incident involving their middle child and only daughter, Noelle, 24.

They asked the media and the public to respect their privacy "during this difficult time so that we can help our daughter."

A Walgreens pharmacist suspicious about a call-in prescription notified police at 1:15 a.m. when Noelle Bush showed up at the drugstore's drive-through in her white Volkswagen to pick it up.

She was charged with prescription fraud, a felony that carries a maximum penalty of five years in jail and a $5,000 fine. Noelle Bush has no known criminal record and was released without having to post bond.

Experts say punishment for a first offense is usually drug treatment or probation.

Noelle Bush has been cited for about a dozen traffic violations and was involved in three automobile crashes since 1995, according to The Associated Press.

Xanax is legally prescribed for stress and anxiety. Noelle Bush reportedly told police that she was panicked about starting a new job on Tuesday.

Jeb Bush had said previously that one of his three children used illegal drugs during his first failed campaign for Florida governor in 1994. That episode prompted Jeb and Columba Bush to get involved in several drug-prevention groups, and Jeb Bush appointed a state drug czar after he was elected governor in 1998.

Police believe Noelle Bush called the pharmacy's voice mail system to issue herself the prescription, posing as a "Dr. Noelle Scidmore."

Police impounded the phone messages. The pharmacist told police that Bush called twice as Scidmore and twice as herself asking if the prescription was ready. The calls initially made him suspicious because the first call from "Scidmore" failed to specify the quantity of pills. The pharmacist called a colleague of the real Dr. Scidmore, who told him the doctor no longer practiced in Tallahassee. He "said it was a fake and to bust her," pharmacist Carlos Zimmerman told police.

In addition, the telephone number originally left as a call-back number turned out to be a second line at Noelle Bush's home, according to the police report.

She lives in Tallahassee, where she attended Florida State University last year but is not currently enrolled. She studied art and graduated from Tallahassee Community College in 2000.

The arrest echoed similar high-profile family struggles, from the recent marijuana abuse by England's Prince Harry to underage drinking by President Bush's twin daughters. In May, Jenna Bush was charged with using a fake ID to try to buy a margarita, and her sister Barbara was charged with underage drinking.

The twins performed community service, attended alcohol-awareness classes and paid $100 fines. The charges were dropped. A second drinking episode for Jenna Bush brought a $500 fine and a license suspension.

Illegal use of the sedative Xanax is popular among some young people, particularly in combination with the party drug Ecstasy. It can help prolong an Ecstasy high or soften the crash that often follows. The practice is known as "parachuting" among users, says Joe Kilmer, spokesman for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in Miami.

"I wouldn't say it's a 'hot drug,' but it is a drug we see with some regularity on the club scene," Kilmer says.

A survey by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found illicit use of Xanax-like drugs is more popular among young people than other groups: Only 2% of the general population reported misusing such prescription drugs, but 4% of those ages 18-25 did.
 
Jeb Bush's daughter does have a wild notion of what a pharmacy is used for apparently... And to think she's going to have access to White House Doctors....

Dear Jesus save us all..


USATODAY.com - Jeb Bush's daughter charged with prescription fraud


eT1LAKZ.jpg




01/29/2002 - Updated 09:42 PM ET

Jeb Bush's daughter charged with prescription fraud

By Deborah Sharp, USA TODAY


Tallahassee police via Reuters
Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's daughter, Noelle Bush, after her arrest early Tuesday.

The daughter of Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was arrested Tuesday in Tallahassee on charges of trying to fill a fake prescription for the popular tranquilizer Xanax.

Bush and his wife, Columba, issued a statement that they were "deeply saddened" by the incident involving their middle child and only daughter, Noelle, 24.

They asked the media and the public to respect their privacy "during this difficult time so that we can help our daughter."

A Walgreens pharmacist suspicious about a call-in prescription notified police at 1:15 a.m. when Noelle Bush showed up at the drugstore's drive-through in her white Volkswagen to pick it up.

She was charged with prescription fraud, a felony that carries a maximum penalty of five years in jail and a $5,000 fine. Noelle Bush has no known criminal record and was released without having to post bond.

Experts say punishment for a first offense is usually drug treatment or probation.

Noelle Bush has been cited for about a dozen traffic violations and was involved in three automobile crashes since 1995, according to The Associated Press.

Xanax is legally prescribed for stress and anxiety. Noelle Bush reportedly told police that she was panicked about starting a new job on Tuesday.

Jeb Bush had said previously that one of his three children used illegal drugs during his first failed campaign for Florida governor in 1994. That episode prompted Jeb and Columba Bush to get involved in several drug-prevention groups, and Jeb Bush appointed a state drug czar after he was elected governor in 1998.

Police believe Noelle Bush called the pharmacy's voice mail system to issue herself the prescription, posing as a "Dr. Noelle Scidmore."

Police impounded the phone messages. The pharmacist told police that Bush called twice as Scidmore and twice as herself asking if the prescription was ready. The calls initially made him suspicious because the first call from "Scidmore" failed to specify the quantity of pills. The pharmacist called a colleague of the real Dr. Scidmore, who told him the doctor no longer practiced in Tallahassee. He "said it was a fake and to bust her," pharmacist Carlos Zimmerman told police.

In addition, the telephone number originally left as a call-back number turned out to be a second line at Noelle Bush's home, according to the police report.

She lives in Tallahassee, where she attended Florida State University last year but is not currently enrolled. She studied art and graduated from Tallahassee Community College in 2000.

The arrest echoed similar high-profile family struggles, from the recent marijuana abuse by England's Prince Harry to underage drinking by President Bush's twin daughters. In May, Jenna Bush was charged with using a fake ID to try to buy a margarita, and her sister Barbara was charged with underage drinking.

The twins performed community service, attended alcohol-awareness classes and paid $100 fines. The charges were dropped. A second drinking episode for Jenna Bush brought a $500 fine and a license suspension.

Illegal use of the sedative Xanax is popular among some young people, particularly in combination with the party drug Ecstasy. It can help prolong an Ecstasy high or soften the crash that often follows. The practice is known as "parachuting" among users, says Joe Kilmer, spokesman for the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration in Miami.

"I wouldn't say it's a 'hot drug,' but it is a drug we see with some regularity on the club scene," Kilmer says.

A survey by the federal Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration found illicit use of Xanax-like drugs is more popular among young people than other groups: Only 2% of the general population reported misusing such prescription drugs, but 4% of those ages 18-25 did.

Well cocaine and prescription drugs are the choice for the privileged richers. No surprise.
 
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