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Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?

  • Jeb Bush's family

    Votes: 11 50.0%

  • Clinton's family

    Votes: 11 50.0%
  • Total voters
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Helix said:
gerrymandering should be eliminated federally by redrawing all districts using only census data. that's the way to fix the problem.
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Again, they do not have that grant of power.
 
Ryan5 said:
Which family looks more "Americana"? The Clinton's or Jeb Bush's?



Clinton family:

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Jeb Bush's family:
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No offense, but you are demonstrating what is wrong with American voters...they care far more about style then substance.


Who gives a crap which family looks more 'Americana'?

This is a POTUS race, not the Miss America pageant.


Are you seriously suggesting this matters?

Are you that shallow and superficial or racist?
 
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clownboy said:
Again, they do not have that grant of power.
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what, to pass a law that says districts will be drawn by a computer using population data generated by the census?

ok. then enjoy the ****ed up status quo, and don't complain about it.
 
Declan said:
Article 1 Sect 4 Clause 1 gives the Congress the power to step in a legislate the manner of elections.
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It does not address drawing district lines, but rather times, places and manner of elections held for US senate in each state.
 
Hatuey said:
So many strawman arguments, so little time. What was stated is that this piece of information could be used against him, just like it was used against McCain. At no point was it stated that McCain lost because of it or any such nonsense. Now, if you have no more strawman arguments, you're welcome to move along.
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Context and the way you use your evidence matters... it shows you are being deceitful. That random crass polling that was done was not a significant part of the campaign that lead McCain to lose, and many other negative lies and polls were done as well, that was just one of them... but since it just so happened to be the racial one, LET MAKE THAT A BIG STORY to be used 14 YEAR LATER!!!!. Only people who want to make Southern republicans seem like racist would want to make that unwarranted argument.
 
Helix said:
what, to pass a law that says districts will be drawn by a computer using population data generated by the census?

ok. then enjoy the ****ed up status quo, and don't complain about it.
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I don't. I don't have any problem with gerrymandering. As I said, it's a part of our system that precedes the election of the first US congress. It's as it should be and most fairly represents states and their people in the People's House. It can be abused for reasons against constitution, but there is a remedy in place for that already, has been since the beginning. It's a vital part of our system of representation.

Just what evil do you see in it?
 
DA60 said:
No offense, but you are demonstrating what is wrong with American voters...they care far more about style then substance.


Who gives a crap which family looks more 'Americana'?

This is a POTUS race, not the Miss America pageant.


Are you seriously suggesting this matters?

Are you that shallow and superficial?
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Bumper sticker slogans. Get a good and you can win. Get a great one and you are the winner.
 
DA60 said:
No offense, but you are demonstrating what is wrong with American voters...they care far more about style then substance.


Who gives a crap which family looks more 'Americana'?

This is a POTUS race, not the Miss America pageant.


Are you seriously suggesting this matters?

Are you that shallow and superficial?
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Well... many people now days like to artificially place diversity. So the "diverse" family is more American, right?
it has nothing to do with the content of their character or achievements... jeez.
 
clownboy said:
It does not address drawing district lines, but rather times, places and manner of elections held for US senate in each state.
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You might want to reread it.
 
Perotista said:
Bumper sticker slogans. Get a good and you can win. Get a great one and you are the winner.
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Bumper stickers convince morons and/or sicko's.

I don't much care what they think (politically)...even if they swing a vote.

The low road is for losers.
 
celticwar17 said:
Context and the way you use your evidence matters... it shows you are being deceitful. That random crass polling that was done was not a significant part of the campaign that lead McCain to lose, and many other negative lies and polls were done as well, that was just one of them... but since it just so happened to be the racial one, LET MAKE THAT A BIG STORY to be used 14 YEAR LATER!!!!. Only people who want to make Southern republicans seem like racist would want to make that unwarranted argument.
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Agreed, and further the shocker announcement of McCain's supposed love child had nothing to do with color/race, but was about him having a love child. The character argument was huge in that election.
 
Declan said:
You might want to reread it.
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Oh, I did, and that's precisely what it says.

Section 4.

The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.
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Says nothing whatsoever about apportionment of districts.
 
celticwar17 said:
Well... many people now days like to artificially place diversity. So the "diverse" family is more American, right?
it has nothing to do with the content of their character or achievements... jeez.
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The diversity of a family is superficial and irrelevant as to how well someone can run a country.

Anyone who votes for a candidate because of the 'diversity' of their family is either stupid or racist or both.
 
DA60 said:
The diversity of a family is superficial and irrelevant as to how well someone can run a country.

Anyone who votes for a candidate because of the 'diversity' of their family is either stupid or racist or both.
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Well, isn't that all the black Caucus does?
Isn't that what people praise when the hear whatever candidate is black, a woman, native American, Cuban, Hispanic, Asian?
It seems to be absolutely a factor...
 
clownboy said:
I don't. I don't have any problem with gerrymandering. As I said, it's a part of our system that precedes the election of the first US congress. It's as it should be and most fairly represents states and their people in the People's House. It can be abused for reasons against constitution, but there is a remedy in place for that already, has been since the beginning. It's a vital part of our system of representation.

Just what evil do you see in it?
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are you ****ing kidding me? did you seriously just type that?
 
DA60 said:
No offense, but you are demonstrating what is wrong with American voters...they care far more about style then substance.


Who gives a crap which family looks more 'Americana'?

This is a POTUS race, not the Miss America pageant.


Are you seriously suggesting this matters?

Are you that shallow and superficial or racist?
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Sir you're throwing around a lot of wild assumptions.


This is just a thread with several pictures, a question and some responses on an internet forum. Try to control yourself sir with your rampant and crazed claims. It's just a thread on an internet forum. They're just publicly available pictures that anyone with access to google can easily attain.
 
Helix said:
are you ****ing kidding me? did you seriously just type that?
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Sure did. In fact:

States are allowed to draw their congressional districts, as outlined in Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution, which establishes that every 10 years a national census shall be taken. Based on the outcome of the shifts in populations, each state must redraw their congressional districts, but how this is done was never specified, leaving it up to the states. This has meant that the political party in power has an advantage and might try to redraw the districts in its favor, sometimes resulting in oddly shaped districts
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Annenberg Classroom - Speak Outs - Who should draw congressional districts?
 
celticwar17 said:
Well, isn't that all the black Caucus does?
Isn't that what people praise when the hear whatever candidate is black, a woman, native American, Cuban, Hispanic, Asian?
It seems to be absolutely a factor...
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The Black Caucus is probably one of the most racist organization that exists.
 
Helix said:
well, thanks for being honest, at least. enjoy your gerrymandered status quo, conflicts of interest, and artificially limited choices. didn't ever think i'd meet someone who thought gerrymandering was a good thing, but it is the internet, and all.
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Hah! My status quo? You mean the system of apportionment that we've used since the very beginning of our nation? And btw, if you want that to change in your state, go for it. Some states don't allow gerrymandering. Each does it slightly differently. Gerrymandering is for the People's House, the most representative body for the people in the federal system. Why shouldn't it be decided by the representatives closest to the people in each state? Have you even read the Federalist Papers? Gerrymandering is discussed.

Btw, no matter how you decide to draw those lines you're going to "artificially limit choices".
 
I met Jeb at a charity golf outing. Nice guy, seemed to be very genuine. He was a well respected governor in Florida and did what is generally considered to do a good job. Probably more capable than George.

Having said that, while I don't think he would be a bad president, there are several others I would prefer. I would take him over any democrat however.
 
clownboy said:
Oh, I did, and that's precisely what it says.



Says nothing whatsoever about apportionment of districts.
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what do you think manner means?
 
Why the **** is this a poll?
 
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