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Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

Should The Torture Report be Released Publicly?


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Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?
 
One of the last Leftist's final attempts to throw the Right under the bus.
 
An early Christmas gift for ISIS recruiters.
 
Mornin' WCH. :2wave: What does the title of this piece tell you?


Former CIA Director Braces for 'Torture Report'.....snip~

Former CIA Director Braces for 'Torture Report'

..."First of all, the CIA workforce will feel as if it has been tried and convicted in absentia since the Senate Democrats and their staff didn't talk to anyone actively involved in the program. Second, this will be used by our enemies to motivate people to attack Americans and American facilities overseas," said Hayden.

"There are countries out there who have cooperated with us on the war on terror at some political risk that are relying on American discretion," said Hayden. "I can't imagine anyone out there going forward in the future who would be willing to do anything that even smacks of political danger." ...

Pretty much this. Democrats are less interested in accuracy than they are interested in scoring points with their base against an administration that hasn't been in power for more than half a decade, and are willing to screw over US CT and foreign policy for years in order to do it.
 
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?

Good morning, MMC. :2wave:

What purpose will it serve to release these torture reports? It sure sounds like grasping at straws to make someone look bad, and with the international community saying it's a bad idea to do so, why are we proceeding? Why don't they instead release the reports on things that have been shoved under the carpet like why we hired escorts six months before thousands of illegal children suddenly showed up on our shores for us to babysit and which are costing us millions upon millions of dollars; or how certain groups were targeted by the administration to have their requests for tax exempt status delayed - said records supposedly destroyed along with the computers that contained them, but have suddenly been found; or why the thugs that killed Ambassador Stevens and others are still free to walk around wherever they wish, or why five terrorists from Guantanamo were released in return for one soldier who apparently deserted his post, yada yada yada, If we're going to have transparency, let's have it all around! :thumbdown:
 
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?

They should release the entire 6500 page report and not the CIA sanitized summary. This is an opportunity to make clear to the citizens of the USA just how far off track our government has gone. Time for citizens to learn what has been done in their name and it's not pretty or ethical. It's interesting to note that a "torture report" becomes a right (conservative) versus left (liberal) issue. It is a moral issue and speaks poorly of those that want to whitewash the issue. Do you think the release will get pardons for England and Graner, the two Abu Grabass flunkies that were imprisoned as a result of **** rolling downhill to the enlisted flunkies. They always said they assumed they were following standard operating procedures.
 
Pretty much this. Democrats are less interested in accuracy than they are interested in scoring points with their base against an administration that hasn't been in power for more than half a decade, and are willing to screw over US CT and foreign policy for years in order to do it.


Mornin' CPW. :2wave: It appears All Branches of government were informed that the release of this report more than likely will bring an armed response from extremists. It appears Feinstein and the Left are more concerned about the Humiliation part. Not to worried about any deaths of Americans overseas they will cause.

Do you think American kidnappings will go up?




House Intelligence chief: Report will spur attacks.....

Rep. Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican, is regularly briefed on intelligence assessments. He told CNN's "State of the Union" that U.S. intelligence agencies and foreign governments have said privately that the release of the report on CIA interrogations a decade ago will be used by extremists to incite violence that is likely to cost lives. The 480-page report, a summary of a still-classified 6,000 page study, is expected to be made public next week.

A U.S. intelligence official, who was not authorized to be quoted discussing classified intelligence assessments, said Congress had been warned "of the heightened potential that the release could stimulate a violent response."

On Friday, Secretary of State John Kerry urged the senator in charge of the report to consider the timing of the release, though Obama administration officials say they still support making it public. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat and chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has not responded to reports of the Kerry call, though she told the Los Angeles Times in a story published Sunday that "We have to get this report out.".....snip~

House Intelligence chief: Report will spur attacks
 
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?

Good morning MMC,

Personally, I'm all for as much transparency in government as possible. But let's leave no doubt that this is a last gasp at relevance for Dianne Feinstein and Senate Democrats before they lose their positions of power in less than a month.

Republicans and American security personnel have been tarred by Democrats for years as it relates to "torture" - it is condemnation by insinuation. Let the Democrats release their report, provided no individual, either American or friendly international is specifically named, and let the Republicans also release their report and their problems with the Democrat's findings. Nothing in such reports will be overly surprising and all the hand wringing about potential for harm is just ass covering defense of those who love to live in the dark.

America's enemies will be little affected and America's friends even less so. There might be some political posturing, but what's new about that? Get it out, get it discussed, and then get back to the important issues of the day.
 
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?

"Torture Report"?

Did we do something more than waterboarding and stress positions?
 
"Torture Report"?

Did we do something more than waterboarding and stress positions?

Mornin Luther. :2wave: Yeah, she mentioned something about Sleep deprivation and putting them into little spaces. Funny how none of the Democrats talk with any of those involved in the program. Yet Feinstein thinks this is the greatest work of oversight ever done by the Senate.


"First of all, the CIA workforce will feel as if it has been tried and convicted in absentia since the Senate Democrats and their staff didn't talk to anyone actively involved in the program. Second, this will be used by our enemies to motivate people to attack Americans and American facilities overseas," said Hayden.

The report, which has been delayed numerous times and has reportedly cost $40 million to produce over the course of five years is considered by Feinstein to be "one of the most significant oversight efforts in the history of the United States Senate, and by far the most important oversight activity ever conducted by this committee." ....snip~

Well.....by her and her Committee of Democrats. That is.
 
Mornin Luther. :2wave: Yeah, she mentioned something about Sleep deprivation and putting them into little spaces. Funny how none of the Democrats talk with any of those involved in the program. Yet Feinstein thinks this is the greatest work of oversight ever done by the Senate.


"First of all, the CIA workforce will feel as if it has been tried and convicted in absentia since the Senate Democrats and their staff didn't talk to anyone actively involved in the program. Second, this will be used by our enemies to motivate people to attack Americans and American facilities overseas," said Hayden.

The report, which has been delayed numerous times and has reportedly cost $40 million to produce over the course of five years is considered by Feinstein to be "one of the most significant oversight efforts in the history of the United States Senate, and by far the most important oversight activity ever conducted by this committee." ....snip~

Well.....by her and her Committee of Democrats. That is.

The idea that it will encourage violence by our enemies is ridiculous. Our enemies are head choppers. They thing "water board" is an amusement park ride.

I'm sick and tired of this "torture" talk. The information has been out there for years and the scope of what was done was piddling. This report is nothing more than the act of a desperate woman to create some kind of relevance for her party that just got thrashed in the elections.
 
The idea that it will encourage violence by our enemies is ridiculous. Our enemies are head choppers. They thing "water board" is an amusement park ride.

I'm sick and tired of this "torture" talk. The information has been out there for years and the scope of what was done was piddling. This report is nothing more than the act of a desperate woman to create some kind of relevance for her party that just got thrashed in the elections.

Greetings, Lutherf. :2wave:

:agree: ... :thumbs: Besides, if sleep deprivation is torture, my animals torture me regularly since they think it's okay to wake me up to investigate a noise they heard outside, which was probably just a coon or a mouse running from one place to another! Sheesh!
 
Good morning MMC,

Personally, I'm all for as much transparency in government as possible. But let's leave no doubt that this is a last gasp at relevance for Dianne Feinstein and Senate Democrats before they lose their positions of power in less than a month.

Republicans and American security personnel have been tarred by Democrats for years as it relates to "torture" - it is condemnation by insinuation. Let the Democrats release their report, provided no individual, either American or friendly international is specifically named, and let the Republicans also release their report and their problems with the Democrat's findings. Nothing in such reports will be overly surprising and all the hand wringing about potential for harm is just ass covering defense of those who love to live in the dark.

America's enemies will be little affected and America's friends even less so. There might be some political posturing, but what's new about that? Get it out, get it discussed, and then get back to the important issues of the day.


Mornin' CJ. :2wave: You don't think after this runs a new cycle that more attacks and kidnapping of Americans, will take place?

What about other Intel agencies that work with us? Or even their Law Enforcement?
 
BTW, for those claiming this is some Democratic ploy, the report was commissioned well before the midterms.
 
BTW, for those claiming this is some Democratic ploy, the report was commissioned well before the midterms.

What does that have to do with the Demos having a Report.....with no sign on with the Republicans and why the Republicans are releasing their own report?
 
What does that have to do with the Demos having a Report.....with no sign on with the Republicans and why the Republicans are releasing their own report?

I don't see why that's relevant.
 
if the preliminary reports of this study are correct, our nation, our citizens, have good reason to be ashamed of the abhorrent actions undertaken in our name
we should disclose the findings publicly with our sincerest apologies and a promise not to allow it to recur

kerry is concerned about the timing of the release. when exactly is the timing going to be better than now?
there was a time when kerry was the one protesting that our nation was not transparent about its wrongful activities in vietnam. now that he is one of those in power, his reasoning has flipped 180 degrees to oppose disclosure

and notice how this has become a left/right demo/GOP issue of conflict. those who only recently were chiding Obama for not being transparent are now chaffing that he is supportive of disclosing this report about our criminal wrongdoing

sometimes, we get it right. engaging in torture was not one of them. acknowledging such wrongdoing is
 
I don't see why that's relevant.

You don't see why it should be pointed out, that there will be two separate reports?

What about not one Demo talking to anyone in the program? Do you think that is irrelevant to?
 
Mornin' CPW. :2wave: It appears All Branches of government were informed that the release of this report more than likely will bring an armed response from extremists. It appears Feinstein and the Left are more concerned about the Humiliation part. Not to worried about any deaths of Americans overseas they will cause.

Do you think American kidnappings will go up?

House Intelligence chief: Report will spur attacks.....

Rep. Mike Rogers, a Michigan Republican, is regularly briefed on intelligence assessments. He told CNN's "State of the Union" that U.S. intelligence agencies and foreign governments have said privately that the release of the report on CIA interrogations a decade ago will be used by extremists to incite violence that is likely to cost lives. The 480-page report, a summary of a still-classified 6,000 page study, is expected to be made public next week.

A U.S. intelligence official, who was not authorized to be quoted discussing classified intelligence assessments, said Congress had been warned "of the heightened potential that the release could stimulate a violent response."

On Friday, Secretary of State John Kerry urged the senator in charge of the report to consider the timing of the release, though Obama administration officials say they still support making it public. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat and chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, has not responded to reports of the Kerry call, though she told the Los Angeles Times in a story published Sunday that "We have to get this report out.".....snip~

House Intelligence chief: Report will spur attacks

Well, what I'm wondering is, why they call it "the torture report" in the open press. Seems an intent to inflame it.
 
"Torture Report"?

Did we do something more than waterboarding and stress positions?

I've been waterboarded and a few other interrogation techniques, as were all guys that would be potentially put in that position to understand what it felt like and how to not let it break you. Now... it was not fun, but it was not torcher either.

This is nothing but a political attack on the GOP and BW Bush. Nothing more than that.

And by doing so, the Democrats in the Senate are putting our military, our civilians overseas, and even civilians here at home in grave danger.

This is as close to treason as I have seen in my lifetime done by any politician in any political party. If they think this will garner them power or prestige, they are mistaken. If they think this will garner support from the military, they are grossly mistaken. If they think that this will help them politically at home, they are mentally unbalanced. And, if they think this will help us overseas in our war against terrorism and provide protection from further attacks... well...

IF this report is released, charges should be brought against those that do. Just like they are wanting to do to Edward Snowden. Because this is worse. These Senators took an oath to protect and defend, not attack and endanger.
 
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