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Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

Should The Torture Report be Released Publicly?

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twixie1 said:
They haven't spread to Pakistan...they were always there..India..not so much..Now Syria..is another piece of cake.we all watched the gassings of women and children...why didn't we intervene?..No oil?..until Putin spoke up..Leave Syria alone..I will deal with it..Shades of WW3...so it was poopy pants time..
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Not followers of ISIS......AQ was always there. Thats both Afghanistan and Pakistan. So yes they have spread to both.

Now they have supporters in India.

Libya is the real treat.....3 major terrorist networks and all can move west at will.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I fixed your post for you. This is the entirety of my point. Until they are convicted in court it is simply the assumption of a fallible human being that they're guilty. You seem to think that government workers should have the ability to waive someone's right to trial and right to not be tortured, I don't.

If it were Americans would you think differently? What if an NSA agent thought you were a threat to America? Should he be able to permanently detain and torture you without trial? He thinks you're guilty so that's enough right?

I would also get off your high horse. If they're being tortured they're already imprisoned and aren't endangering anyone. The examples of where torture has prevented future attacks are extremely few and far between.
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It's not for you to decide who is sitting on a high horse. I would apply the same words to you. Your High Horse is causing you to project and theorize that which is not in evidence. I have great concern for almighty governments. For example, I reject the current effort by the Administration in the White House, and in Congress to govern through super agencies like the EPA and others.

When it comes to methods used in combat/conflict, I am less inclined to be concerned. Frankly, I would even consider using exactly the same methods used by our enemies, but then again, we are not holdouts from the evolutionary process, as many people in these areas of conflict clearly are.
 
MMC said:
Not followers of ISIS......AQ was always there. Thats both Afghanistan and Pakistan. So yes they have spread to both.

Now they have supporters in India.

Libya is the real treat.....3 major terrorist networks and all can move west at will.
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These places are 3rd world countries..who do you think is financing them?

Half of them have no shoes..

I think it is Saudi..
 
radioman said:
I think ISIS is/was an overblown threat.
Whatever happened to those refugees on that mountain, awaiting certain death, anyhow?
Yeah, they're a nasty group---one of many in the ME---what with all their beheadings, but they're also Assad's implacable foe.
The ME is a bad neighborhood, best to avoid it.
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I think ISIS is a far greater threat than people know.

As to what happened to those refugees?

I think something like what is shown in this video taken from a targeting sight on an Apache Longbow attack helicopter.

WARNING - The video is from FLIR and is explicit.

http://t.co/7y4mTryb7d
 
MMC said:
They have spread to Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, they have had Sudan and Benghazi Pledging support and giving them whole cities.
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I'm certain that all these countries also entertain Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and various other terrorist gangs.

Libya has 3 of the major Terrorist players out there.....all able to move Westward at anytime they choose.
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Move westward and accomplish what exactly?

How is this threat overblown?
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The fact that there are multiple terrorist gangs vying for power undermines their ability to do much damage.
Their internecine battles will keep them weak.
 
twixie1 said:
These places are 3rd world countries..who do you think is financing them?

Half of them have no shoes..

I think it is Saudi..
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It does not matter that they are 3rd World Countries. Which Libya was not.....it was a gateway for both East and West.

The Saud, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain.....the Sunni back Sunni. Then there is the Muslim Brotherhood. The Sunni Clerics out of Egypt. Just to name a few.
 
ocean515 said:
I think ISIS is a far greater threat than people know.
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More of a threat than Al Qaeda?
More of a threat than Iran?
More of a threat than the Taliban?
I'm not trying to minimize ISIS' brutality, but in this particular neck of the woods, they blend in with the rest of the trees.
 
radioman said:
I'm certain that all these countries also entertain Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and various other terrorist gangs.


Move westward and accomplish what exactly?


The fact that there are multiple terrorist gangs vying for power undermines their ability to do much damage.
Their internecine battles will keep them weak.
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Accomplish what they say they are trying to do. What they believe in.


If you haven't noticed in Libya.....they are not fighting each other. As they are not in most other places. That's the MS Media playing with that BS propaganda put out by the terrorists and their backers.

In fact we know they are working together in Syria. In Yemen.

More Americans have been kidnapped and killed. Plus now they have called on the lone wolves that have the same common ground. A Hatred for Americans.
 
MMC said:
It does not matter that they are 3rd World Countries. Which Libya was not.....it was a gateway for both East and West.

The Saud, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain.....the Sunni back Sunni. Then there is the Muslim Brotherhood. The Sunni Clerics out of Egypt. Just to name a few.
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And all this time there have been public beheadings/stonings/removal of limbs in Saudi..no one bats an eye...
 
MMC said:
It does not matter that they are 3rd World Countries. Which Libya was not.....it was a gateway for both East and West.

The Saud, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain.....the Sunni back Sunni. Then there is the Muslim Brotherhood. The Sunni Clerics out of Egypt. Just to name a few.
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So many bad actors, so little time, who should we attack?
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.:shrug:
My next vacation destination will not be in the ME.
 
radioman said:
More of a threat than Al Qaeda?
More of a threat than Iran?
More of a threat than the Taliban?
I'm not trying to minimize ISIS' brutality, but in this particular neck of the woods, they blend in with the rest of the trees.
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Al Qaeda has joined them, not the other way around. The Taliban appears to have faded away and infused into ISIS.

IS, according to the latest information I've seen, has militarily taken control of an area of land half the size of Iraq. They are threatening to take control of large parts of Syria. I am not up to speed on the latest, but I believe this is fairly accurate information.

Given their brutal tactics, and evil actions, I believe they are a significant threat to the ME and far beyond that area.
 
MMC said:
More Americans have been kidnapped and killed. Plus now they have called on the lone wolves that have the same common ground. A Hatred for Americans.
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The one unifying force in the ME....hatred for America.
Sunni and Shiite will both set aside their differences to attack us.
Minimize their chances to hurt us as best we can.
Let them decimate each other.
 
twixie1 said:
And all this time there have been public beheadings/stonings/removal of limbs in Saudi..no one bats an eye...
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Yes there has.....but how many have been from other countries? How many Westerners?
 
Hard Truth said:
The people of USA need to know the truth about our government's spending and activities or (representational) democracy is a farce. If the USA is honest, assumes responsibility for past mistakes and takes immediate corrective action to end the use of torture it will be better for international relations in the long run compared to just lying and covering up the practices that everybody already knows we did.

For those who didn't know, although it appears that Obama has ended the use of torture by our government, the USA still uses renditions to have people tortured by others.
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So what do you think the impact of that would be, were it in the report?
 
radioman said:
More of a threat than Al Qaeda?
More of a threat than Iran?
More of a threat than the Taliban?
I'm not trying to minimize ISIS' brutality, but in this particular neck of the woods, they blend in with the rest of the trees.
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Yes ISIS is more of a threat than all but Iran.....as ISIS doesn't have the means to produce ballistic missiles.
 
radioman said:
More of a threat than Al Qaeda?
More of a threat than Iran?
More of a threat than the Taliban?
I'm not trying to minimize ISIS' brutality, but in this particular neck of the woods, they blend in with the rest of the trees.
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"Threat" defined as "Ability Plus Intent", I would say:

more of a threat than Iran (who has greater ability, but less intent)
more of a threat than the Taliban (narrow intent, less ability)
less (possibly) of a threat than Al Qaeda (equal intent, ability is the question)
 
cpwill said:
So what do you think the impact of that would be, were it in the report?
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No impact.
It's not as if this info. is a secret.
I think gov't agencies just oppose any releases of information.
Possibly for legitimate reasons, but mostly to avoid embarrassment.
 
MMC said:
Yes there has.....but how many have been from other countries? How many Westerners?
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Oh right..as long as it is not Westerners..it doesn't concern you..even though you must realise that it is a murderous regime.that respects no-one..

Same as China..

''You got the money?...we got the blindfolds..''
 
radioman said:
So many bad actors, so little time, who should we attack?
Damned if we do, damned if we don't.:shrug:
My next vacation destination will not be in the ME.
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All of them.....where - Everywhere. When - Saturday. What time - 3am the Witching Hour.

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no sense in helping out their economies; so they can keep doing, what it is they do.
 
MMC said:
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?
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There was an investigation. No charges were filed against anyone. Release the report and let the American people decide.

We can't let our government become like the enemy we fear. And, perhaps, some charges will be filed.
 
twixie1 said:
Oh right..as long as it is not Westerners..it doesn't concern you..even though you must realise that it is a murderous regime.that respects no-one..

Same as China..

''You got the money?...we got the blindfolds..''
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I didn't say it wasn't happening nor that it wasn't a concern.....I meant for all that great coverage.

Also, I am sure you will discover I have no sympathy for the Saud.
 
cpwill said:
"Threat" defined as "Ability Plus Intent", I would say:

more of a threat than Iran (who has greater ability, but less intent)
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I remember when Iran's Ahmadinejad was considered the new Hitler.
Now, Iran is helping against ISIS.

more of a threat than the Taliban (narrow intent, less ability)
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True for now.
But if the bad guys ahead of them in line, are beaten down, the Taliban will be targeted again.

less (possibly) of a threat than Al Qaeda (equal intent, ability is the question)
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But as we focus on ISIS, Al Qaeda will be said to have reconstituted and, therefore, will resume being the current bad guy du jour in the ME.

My point is, this ME snakepit will always produce a new bad guy which is a recipe for endless war.
Not worth it IMHO.
 
MMC said:
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no sense in helping out their economies; so they can keep doing, what it is they do.
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There are no terrorists on Maui.....although those sea turtles look a little suspicious.
 
radioman said:
There are no terrorists on Maui.....although those sea turtles look a little suspicious.
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Whatever you do.....don't get surrounded by the Clownfish. Just sayin. :2razz:
 
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