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Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

Should The Torture Report be Released Publicly?

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Lutherf said:
The idea that it will encourage violence by our enemies is ridiculous. Our enemies are head choppers. They thing "water board" is an amusement park ride.

I'm sick and tired of this "torture" talk. The information has been out there for years and the scope of what was done was piddling. This report is nothing more than the act of a desperate woman to create some kind of relevance for her party that just got thrashed in the elections.
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That's pretty much it.
 
MMC said:
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?
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I smell Obama's direct involvement in this, and if so. it is just about the only "achievement" that he can be proud of that he set out to do when he was elected. This is one of his key issues that I have always mentioned. He has been ralling against the CIA ever since he was a senator.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I think the full torture report should be published.

All 6000 pages
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Waterboarding and sleep deprivation is not torcher. I have endured it - it is not torcher. There are no long lasting effects, just short term discomfort to break down resistance to questioning.

Maybe you will change your mind when an attack happens that effects your own family and friends. I would hope you would.
 
Kobie said:
BTW, for those claiming this is some Democratic ploy, the report was commissioned well before the midterms.
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The announcement to release the report has nothing to do with the mid-terms, and everything to do with 2016 and attacking the GOP. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Good morning MMC,

Personally, I'm all for as much transparency in government as possible. But let's leave no doubt that this is a last gasp at relevance for Dianne Feinstein and Senate Democrats before they lose their positions of power in less than a month.

Republicans and American security personnel have been tarred by Democrats for years as it relates to "torture" - it is condemnation by insinuation. Let the Democrats release their report, provided no individual, either American or friendly international is specifically named, and let the Republicans also release their report and their problems with the Democrat's findings. Nothing in such reports will be overly surprising and all the hand wringing about potential for harm is just ass covering defense of those who love to live in the dark.

America's enemies will be little affected and America's friends even less so. There might be some political posturing, but what's new about that? Get it out, get it discussed, and then get back to the important issues of the day.
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Also.... this.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Waterboarding and sleep deprivation is not torcher. I have endured it - it is not torcher. There are no long lasting effects, just short term discomfort to break down resistance to questioning.

Maybe you will change your mind when an attack happens that effects your own family and friends. I would hope you would.
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Torture, not torcher.
 
Beaudreaux said:
Waterboarding and sleep deprivation is not torcher. I have endured it - it is not torcher. There are no long lasting effects, just short term discomfort to break down resistance to questioning.

Maybe you will change your mind when an attack happens that effects your own family and friends. I would hope you would.
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That's pretty much it. I've seen some pretty bad "purple nurple's" back in the day and we never called that torture. Given the choice of guys walking into the room with a gallon of water and a dish towel or coming in with a car battery and jumper cables I'll take the water every time.
 
It absolutely should. We should have every right to know what our government is doing.
 
Lutherf said:
That's pretty much it. I've seen some pretty bad "purple nurple's" back in the day and we never called that torture. Given the choice of guys walking into the room with a gallon of water and a dish towel or coming in with a car battery and jumper cables I'll take the water every time.
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Exactly. We also had to go through the batteries and cable treatment. THAT... was torture, if done long enough, because it could and would cause long lasting harm. I've also had metal slivers under my toenails and fingernails, as well as my arms bound and hung up in the air by the rope - my right arm popped out of its socket and they had to put my in the hospital for a week to recover (THAT was damn sure torture). Plus, being exposed to tear gas in an enclosed room, having my feet submerged in ice water for hours and a bunch of other techniques that Russia, China, Iran and many other countries STILL use.

Waterboarding, sleep deprivation, making a person stand and not allowing them to sit or lay down IS NOT TORTURE.

Edit: Having to listen to Diane Feinstein and many other Democrat Senators about this... IS TORTURE.
 
Beaudreaux said:
I've been waterboarded and a few other interrogation techniques, as were all guys that would be potentially put in that position to understand what it felt like and how to not let it break you. Now... it was not fun, but it was not torcher either.

This is nothing but a political attack on the GOP and BW Bush. Nothing more than that.

And by doing so, the Democrats in the Senate are putting our military, our civilians overseas, and even civilians here at home in grave danger.

This is as close to treason as I have seen in my lifetime done by any politician in any political party. If they think this will garner them power or prestige, they are mistaken. If they think this will garner support from the military, they are grossly mistaken. If they think that this will help them politically at home, they are mentally unbalanced. And, if they think this will help us overseas in our war against terrorism and provide protection from further attacks... well...

IF this report is released, charges should be brought against those that do. Just like they are wanting to do to Edward Snowden. Because this is worse. These Senators took an oath to protect and defend, not attack and endanger.
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Mornin' Beaudreaux. :2wave: Yeah and being put in a locker buried in the ground. Slapped around, and put in chokeholds for interrogation. Interrogator.<<<<< Okay soldier, you have parents Right. What your mother's name. Answer, Mom. Whats your fathers name. Answer, dad. Interrogator,
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Now Let try that again soldier. Name.....Answer, Leroy Brown. What is your mission. Answer, Baddest Man in the Whole damn town. Interrogator Nightey nite.
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Sleep.....whats that? :confused:



Lets not forget an attack on our Intel People. Which we have seen BO throw them under the bus since Libya and Benghazi.
 
MMC said:
Mornin' CJ. :2wave: You don't think after this runs a new cycle that more attacks and kidnapping of Americans, will take place?

What about other Intel agencies that work with us? Or even their Law Enforcement?
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I don't suspect anything like that will be revealed in the report. And really, can Americans in the world, particularly in unstable countries such as in the Middle East, be any more in danger of attacks and kidnappings than they are right now? If I was an American, I'd do precious little in the way of traveling outside of America's borders and here in Canada and perhaps the Caribbean.
 
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justabubba said:
if the preliminary reports of this study are correct, our nation, our citizens, have good reason to be ashamed of the abhorrent actions undertaken in our name
we should disclose the findings publicly with our sincerest apologies and a promise not to allow it to recur

kerry is concerned about the timing of the release. when exactly is the timing going to be better than now?
there was a time when kerry was the one protesting that our nation was not transparent about its wrongful activities in vietnam. now that he is one of those in power, his reasoning has flipped 180 degrees to oppose disclosure

and notice how this has become a left/right demo/GOP issue of conflict. those who only recently were chiding Obama for not being transparent are now chaffing that he is supportive of disclosing this report about our criminal wrongdoing

sometimes, we get it right. engaging in torture was not one of them. acknowledging such wrongdoing is
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Not all of us on the right disagree or are hamstrung by politics when forming opinions about right and wrong.
 
CanadaJohn said:
I don't suspect anything like that will be revealed in the report. And really, can Americans in the world, particularly in unstable countries such as in the Middle East, but any more in danger of attacks and kidnappings than they are right now? If I was an American, I'd do precious little in the way of traveling outside of America's borders and here in Canada and perhaps the Caribbean.
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Especially if they are not prepared to do what will be necessary. When recognizing an attack. According to what I hear there are sympathies for ISIS in Trinidad and Tobago now.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/211376-uae-stabbing-us-teacher-lone-terrorist-act.html
 
CanadaJohn said:
Not all of us on the right disagree or are hamstrung by politics when forming opinions about right and wrong.
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There are 2 sides to this story..will Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq do the same?? As they tortured and murdered our troops

As far as I am concerned ''What happens in a war zone..should stay in the war zone!''
 
twixie1 said:
There are 2 sides to this story..will Vietnam/Afghanistan/Iraq do the same?? As they tortured and murdered our troops

As far as I am concerned ''What happens in a war zone..should stay in the war zone!''
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Actually, if I understand the nature of the report correctly, we're not talking strictly about "what happens in a war zone". And as for Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, I hold myself and America to a very much higher standard than that. I'm surprised you didn't toss in North Korea as well, just to add a little more flavour.
 
CanadaJohn said:
Actually, if I understand the nature of the report correctly, we're not talking strictly about "what happens in a war zone". And as for Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, I hold myself and America to a very much higher standard than that. I'm surprised you didn't toss in North Korea as well, just to add a little more flavour.
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It wasn't a confrontation CanadaJohn..but since you mention it...
 
MMC said:
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?
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No. Don't release it. I want results and I have no interest in how they are achieved. The last thing anyone needs is a bunch of whiners complaining. Good, bad, or indifferent, there are some things I don't need to know. I'm perfectly satisfied to leave the "how" to the experts.
 
I say release the truth and deal with the consequences later.

And if releasing the truth gets more Americans killed, tough.

When America's official government policy becomes suppressing the truth due to fear...then let America die as a country.

If you commit horrible acts, you should pay the consequences of those acts.


'It's better to be dead and cool, than alive and uncool'.

Amen.
 
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MMC said:
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?
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If there is a question of veracity involved, the publication might be a problem and should be held back for a few months. Maybe marking and explaining the problems and open questions would be enough. But there can be no question that we need to know exactly what happened.
 
ocean515 said:
No. Don't release it. I want results and I have no interest in how they are achieved. The last thing anyone needs is a bunch of whiners complaining. Good, bad, or indifferent, there are some things I don't need to know. I'm perfectly satisfied to leave the "how" to the experts.
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Heya 515. :2wave: I expect that the MS media will want to drive this by the GOP with questions concerning Feinstein and get that slinging out there, Right away.

Although I wouldn't expect Roger's with House Intel to be to vocal. Not going out as House Chair.
 
ocean515 said:
No. Don't release it. I want results and I have no interest in how they are achieved. The last thing anyone needs is a bunch of whiners complaining. Good, bad, or indifferent, there are some things I don't need to know. I'm perfectly satisfied to leave the "how" to the experts.
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Good morning/afternoon Ocean,

I'm generally in agreement with you on most matters but I have to question your faith in/belief that government has unquestioned "expertise". Only through active public oversight and accountability do we ensure that our collective reputations aren't sullied by the corruptions of a few with power.
 
MMC said:
Heya 515. :2wave: I expect that the MS media will want to drive this by the GOP with questions concerning Feinstein and get that slinging out there, Right away.

Although I wouldn't expect Roger's with House Intel to be to vocal. Not going out as House Chair.
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Anything to get the GOP off balance will be used. What is the point of the release? Feinstein is a pathetic creature, so her motives are hard to figure. It amazes me for what qualifies for transparency in this administration, and what does not.
 
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