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Should the Report on Torture Be Released Publicly?

Should The Torture Report be Released Publicly?

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radioman said:
And you are another one who believes everything gov't apparatchiks tell you.

Geez, stop hyperventilating.
I think re-education camps would do the job.
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If there are people murdered as a result of this I only hope you will have your place among them.
 
Misterveritis said:
If there are people murdered as a result of this I only hope you will have your place among them.
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Well, at least you've changed your view from "people WILL be killed" to "IF there are people killed".
I like your newfound optimism.
What's next from you?
"Someone probably died in the war on terror, kill the dems" or maybe "Someone died somewhere, kill the dems"
 
Misterveritis said:
From time to time I explain where Veritis comes from. Not tonight and not for someone eager for innocent blood to be spilled so that political points might be gained. Some here are liars. And some are bloodthirsty. I place you in the second camp. I only wish that if there are victims you will be among them.
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I did not authorize the torture and I think those that did should be held accountable. I believe in law and democracy. You only believe in the GOP apparently.
 
The Democrats are going to release it.

Why ? To rehash 8 year old Bush war crimes false narratives ?

Someone needs to remind them that Pelosi and Company were briefed by the CIA and were told to do whatever it takes to prevent another terrorist attack.

The Democrats knew all about it.
 
Declan said:
I did not authorize the torture and I think those that did should be held accountable. I believe in law and democracy. You only believe in the GOP apparently.
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I cannot tell what you believe but I have your measure. Innocent people may die because a Democrat wants her moment. And you support her. I hope both of you can share in whatever comes of this.
 
radioman said:
Well, at least you've changed your view from "people WILL be killed" to "IF there are people killed".
I like your newfound optimism.
What's next from you?
"Someone probably died in the war on terror, kill the dems" or maybe "Someone died somewhere, kill the dems"
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I am reasonably certain people will be killed. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I hope you will have a share in whatever comes of this.
 
Misterveritis said:
I cannot tell what you believe but I have your measure. Innocent people may die because a Democrat wants her moment. And you support her. I hope both of you can share in whatever comes of this.
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You have already assigned quite a few beliefs to me. I guess time will tell what others think of your commentary.
 
Declan said:
You have already assigned quite a few beliefs to me. I guess time will tell what others think of your commentary.
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And of yours. You support a democrat releasing a document that will harm the nation. You are a Progressive.
You support a Democrat releasing a document that may result id innocent people being murdered. You are a Progressive.
 
Misterveritis said:
You actually do not care that innocent people will be killed do you?
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The outrage will not be about the actions of the Dems, who are merely reporting the news; it will be about the actions of the Cons, who made the news.

Feel free to assign the the blame where it belongs. It ain't with the messenger.

The truth will set you free!
 
upsideguy said:
The outrage will not be about the actions of the Dems, who are merely reporting the news, it will be about the actions of the Cons that made the news. You can fix the blame where it belongs. It ain't with the messenger.
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Are all Progressives this blood thirsty? Some secrets need to remain secret. I will fix the blame right where it belongs. Obama. Feinstein. Democrats. Progressives. America haters.
 
Misterveritis said:
Are all Progressives this blood thirsty? Some secrets need to remain secret. I will fix the blame right where it belongs. Obama. Feinstein. Democrats. Progressives. America haters.
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First place, Obama is on your side on this one. The Obama administration has held this up.

The America haters are the one's that pissed on the Constitution in stepping away from everything America and Americans have stood for two centuries. Somehow, our previous "leaders" did not believe enough in America and in American values. They had no faith that our system of justice was strong enough to work in all circumstances. They were weak.

America is now standing up for American values of truth and justice in exposing the weakness and sins of prior administrations. This is a proud day for true Americans. We are standing unafraid of the truth and unafraid to admit and take the consequences of our own prior failings.
 
MMC said:
Diane Feinstein and the Democrats are releasing the Torture Report this week, they are saying. They meaning the Demos, Feinstein, and the MS Media.

Foreign governments and U.S. intelligence agencies are predicting that the release of a Senate report examining the use of torture by the CIA will cause "violence and deaths" abroad. BO is backing the release of this report. Since he came out and stated we tortured some folks. Then other countries Intel services stated this will cause more violence and death to take place. This was all reported back to BO. Yet he and the Democrats are all for it.

The Republicans are disputing this report and will come out with their own report. Feinstein said she would go ahead with the release. Even after Kerry asked her to hold off with the timing.

What say ye?
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Those who want to do evil things to America and Americans don't need this report for an excuse.

Read the news.

Those who make mistakes that harm others need to admit their mistakes and do all that they can to correct them.
 
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ocean515 said:
It's not for you to decide who is sitting on a high horse. I would apply the same words to you. Your High Horse is causing you to project and theorize that which is not in evidence. I have great concern for almighty governments. For example, I reject the current effort by the Administration in the White House, and in Congress to govern through super agencies like the EPA and others.

When it comes to methods used in combat/conflict, I am less inclined to be concerned. Frankly, I would even consider using exactly the same methods used by our enemies, but then again, we are not holdouts from the evolutionary process, as many people in these areas of conflict clearly are.
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This post lacks substance.

I know first hand that just because you're fighting monsters doesn't mean you have to become one. You can not quantify any kind of benefit we've received from torture. It's against basic human rights and international law, so those who are responsible should be held responsible.

It's that simple. If you torture a prisoner and deny him a trial, don't act surprised when everyone thinks you're an asshole. Americans have spoken and they don't want torture done in their name. If you'd like the program to be restarted write your congressman.
 
Misterveritis said:
Are all Progressives this blood thirsty? Some secrets need to remain secret.
I will fix the blame right where it belongs.
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 Obama. Feinstein. Democrats. Progressives. America haters.
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The blame belongs on the G.W. Bush mis-administration and that's where history will place it. :roll:
 
upsideguy said:
We can all appreciate that the anger comes when the truth is revealed, but the actions that gave rise to the revelations occurred years ago. The anger is not about the revelation, its about the actions that happened in the first place. Any "violence" that comes from revelation is about the ACTIONS not the revelation.

The whole "torture" program was an abomination. We should all be ashamed of our collective hypocrisy. We should be praying, at this time, for understanding and mercy and the wisdom that we have learned from our misguided past. Its our fault; its time to tell the truth and deal with the consequences like the brave Americans we are suppose to be.

I saw this somewhere, it seems fitting: "Everything in your life is a reflection of a choice you have made. If you want a different result, make a different choice."
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Yes I do know the saying.....but then those of PC and touchy feely world. Still don't like the choice of taking no prisoners.
 
After not quite six years of what the GOP has done with obstruction with DEMs staying mum after the last decade, the gloves are off.
First immigration, now the torture report, and hopefully Limbaugh gets his wish to shut down the government .
 
Where are all the phony Rand Paul Libertarians demanding to see this report?
The ones against the NSA, Patriot Act, drones, Israeli aid and foreign entanglements .
 
4,500 soldiers were killed by other lies of Cheney/Bush.
Not to mention the tens of thousands of maimed Veterans from last decade, overloading the VA system .

Misterveritis said:
Did I not just tell you? People will be killed because of this. The ones who release this, if deaths occur, need to be held to account. God I hate Democrats.
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shrubnose said:
Those who want to do evil things to America and Americans don't need this report for an excuse.

Read the news.

Those who make mistakes that harm others need to admit their mistakes and do all that they can to correct them.
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Heya SN. :2wave: Again, the other concern are for those who work with us. As well as other intelligence from other countries.
 
NIMBY said:
4,500 soldiers were killed by other lies of Cheney/Bush.
Not to mention the tens of thousands of maimed Veterans from last decade, overloading the VA system .
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It doesn't compare to the 56k that the Demos caused with NAM. When will you leftists ever own up to that BS. Hows the left looking Now? As you can see there is not much to say for going down in History as the Party of being a Major **** up and sell out of the American people.

Should we count all those that were maimed too? As well as when the Demos stopped funding a War while fighting one.

Seems you can put Iraq and Afghanistan together and they still don't even come close to that Major Democrat **** up that they will never be allowed to forget. No matter how much they try to rewrite history.

Did you still want to try and whine can cry about Numbers. Now that Democrats can't escape nor run away from their past.
 
Out of 221 posts so far, you are the only person who has the lean of Libertarian.
I've also found you to be a nonpartisan in the past.

I find the lack of Libertarians incredulous since torture and government overreach in foreign affairs is the Rand Paul/Libertarian platform.
As you can see, the GOP and its TEA/Libertarian-Right allies are very disciplined on this issue.
They're keeping quiet to keep the peace.

The GOP slammed the DEMs in the election because they are winning the messaging war with their coheson.

However, cracks are emerging due to Obama's immigration move, too late as it was;
the release of this torture report which McConnell would not have done next year;
and a possible government shutdown being led by Rush Limbaugh--who should never be underestimated.

DEMs also have their fissures as we see with Sen. Warren criticizing the President on his Wall Street pick and the whole Trans-Pacific mess.
DEMs are torn on energy/enviro issues.
But most of all, DEMs do not have a National Messaging Apparatus while GOPs still do .

RabidAlpaca said:
This post lacks substance.

I know first hand that just because you're fighting monsters doesn't mean you have to become one. You can not quantify any kind of benefit we've received from torture. It's against basic human rights and international law, so those who are responsible should be held responsible.

It's that simple. If you torture a prisoner and deny him a trial, don't act surprised when everyone thinks you're an asshole. Americans have spoken and they don't want torture done in their name. If you'd like the program to be restarted write your congressman.
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MMC said:
It doesn't compare to the 56k that the Demos caused with NAM.
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Join us all in this century and within the last decade's egregious behavior by Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld/Rice .
 
NIMBY said:
Join us all in this century and within the last decade's egregious behavior by Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld/Rice .
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Nothing has changed within the Last decade......as the Democrats attempt to and still will sell this country out in less than it takes to bat an eyelash.

Isn't that why you signed on with them. As they have never been about anything except division by race, gender, and wealth. Due to knowing they could never win an election in any other way and certainly not with a Unified country.
 
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MMC said:
It doesn't compare to the 56k that the Demos caused with NAM. When will you leftists ever own up to that BS. Hows the left looking Now? As you can see there is not much to say for going down in History as the Party of being a Major **** up and sell out of the American people.

Should we count all those that were maimed too? As well as when the Demos stopped funding a War while fighting one.

Seems you can put Iraq and Afghanistan together and they still don't even come close to that Major Democrat **** up that they will never be allowed to forget. No matter how much they try to rewrite history.

Did you still want to try and whine can cry about Numbers. Now that Democrats can't escape nor run away from their past.
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Ah, the old "I see your evil, I raise you an evil" argument, as if that somehow makes Iraq less evil. It doesn't. I just means we repeat our mistakes.

Vietnam was an embarrassment of US history as well. At least it was not a pre-emeptive war. Then again, maybe it was.

I would also point out three things that kept the body count lower in Iraq: 1) most more reliance on mechanized weapons, including drones and cruise missles. 2) superior body armor and 3) the fact that most fighting was in cities, close to medical facilities as opposed to deep jungle warfare that required risky airlift transport to medical help.

Though the total dead may have been low, we had a ton injured (maimed) and of course, a ton crippled psychologically...

1 Million Civilians Dead, 37,000 American Soldiers Dead or Injured -- And We've Learned Nothing from Iraq Debacle | Alternet
 
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