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Is America the greatest nation on earth?

Is America the greatest country on earth?

  • Yes

    Votes: 45 45.9%

  • No

    Votes: 53 54.1%
  • Total voters
    98
X Factor said:
Totally get what lizzie is saying, but I'm appreciating your enthusiasm. I think expressing pride in this country is considerd sort of bad form by some. I still think we have a lot to be proud of.
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You know you have it made when stating simple facts about your accomplishments is seen as "bad form."

You know you've got a ways to go when you beat your own chest, and people pity pat you on the head and give you encouragement.

Part of being on top is that people will want to knock you off. When they stop trying to do that, that's when you know you're no longer on top.
 
Tucker Case said:
You're just wrong there. The computer was not invented by Americans
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The software you are using was. So was the PC. Microsoft. IBM. Apple. But none of that counts, does it?

But I guess let's point out the Chinese invented the computer thousands of years ago with beads on sticks. Or was it ancient Egyptians?
 
OrphanSlug said:
By most accounts on the subject of freedom the US hardly cracks the top 10. The usual reason for that is our issues with criminal justice, incarceration rates (all in disparate ways,) and obvious issues with government blanket surveillance of the populace. Our crime rates do not help the matter, but that becomes secondary argument. Diversity is still a bit of a mess, entirely for political reasons. When it comes to opportunity we face similar concerns but with real economic difficulty, usually held back by the increasing difference between income quintiles and low employment participation rate.

How the hell can we be the greatest nation on earth given all this? I mean I know everyone wants to say so, but the reality behind the numbers should be telling us something.
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You don't have to be perfect to be the greatest. Just better than everybody else. And America is on top of the food chain, baby.
 
X Factor said:
We are a bit spoiled here. We don't know what real poverty or oppression is.
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BS. We've had slavery, great depressions, dust bowls, civil wars, and westward expansion. We've built this nation up brick by brick. Some of the earliest pioneers endured indian raids, starvation, bitter cold and sweltering heat. America's character is forged by its pioneering past.
 
Another sociocultural global reality thanks to American, British media dominating the world that's often overlooked is that white liberalism has this amazingly resilient global "Alluring Heavenly Nirvana of supposed openness to minorities" of which is completely false. That's why white Liberalism won out in the West and still is confounding Western conservatives as to how to defeat it. White Liberalism did something Hitler, Stalin never really came close to but always wanted. It created a global racialism without officially doing so.

White Liberalism is one of the most suffocating, closed-off cultures you will ever encounter if you aren't white yet at the same time right up until you get the door slammed in your face it seems like the greatest thing to have ever happened to the world, and this sentiment is global. All white liberalism has ever been is essentially a way for the white left to recreate itself while still never having left who it is. The KKK, the Nazis, the Socialists and on and on. All of which are the original racialists.
 
Peter Grimm said:
This is seen as nearly axiomatic in some circles. In others, it's seen as misguided arrogance.

I want to know whether the maxim rings true with you, and your reasoning.


Focus specifically on these areas, if at all possible...... 1.) Freedom 2.) Diversity 3.) Opportunity
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No. First of all because it's absurd on its face. There are nearly two hundred countries on Earth, so to say this particular one is the best is questionable on its face.

Second, if you actually analyze the country, it's clearly not the best, it murders it's children, it encourages sodomy, it legally approves spousal desertion, it belligerently attacks other countries etc.
 
joko104 said:
Be sure and don't mention such as mass production of affordable automobiles.

I bet the Japanese would mention the Atomic bomb - which caused their entire country to suddenly surrender - preventing a land war of millions of casualties.

Any you posted that message on a computer running on software and an operating system invented by the French, right? :roll:

But keep running down this country and believe you prove it up by searching for what was invented in other countries thinking you're proving it.
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Or the fact the the Russian invented television didnt actually do anything until an American, Philo Farnsworth, invented the television system
 
joko104 said:
Yes.
The question is not whether the USA is the greatest its ever been nor is the USA utopia, but greater than other countries. The answer is yes for too many reasons to list.

The media, schools and the overall epidemic of self pity, whining and expecting something for nothing have lead to the extraordinary reality of so far a majority are answering no.

I think those members should then say what country they want to move to or otherwise think is greater.
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Boom.
 
joko104 said:
Be sure and don't mention such as mass production of affordable automobiles.
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If the statements was about business practices, I would have mentioned that, but since it was about inventions, I didn't. Why would I talk about something totally different?

I bet the Japanese would mention the Atomic bomb - which caused their entire country to suddenly surrender - preventing a land war of millions of casualties.
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Pretty much all German scientists. The US taking credit for it is like Ford taking credit for the automobile even though it was invented by Benz.

Any you posted that message on a computer running on software and an operating system invented by the French, right? :roll:
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No, software was invented by an English woman. Although Americans can probably take credit for inventing the operating system.

But you just running down my country and believe you prove it up by searching for what was invented in other countries thinking you're proving it.
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It's not my fault you have low self-esteem about your country, but don't allow your insecurities to be projected on me. I do not need to make **** up and pretend that it is true in order to feel pride about my nation, should I choose to have pride in my nation. The US is very good with business modeling. Best in the world at finding profits in **** other people come up with.
 
Crovax said:
I wonder how much of that has to do with the liberals who rally against vaccinations and breast feeding
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I thought it was the far right wing conspiracy crowd that was against vaccinations....
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I thought it was the far right wing conspiracy crowd that was against vaccinations....
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the far left and right are both so crazy theres bound to be some overlap in their conspiracy theories
 
X Factor said:
Totally get what lizzie is saying, but I'm appreciating your enthusiasm. I think expressing pride in this country is considerd sort of bad form by some. I still think we have a lot to be proud of.
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I generally consider nationalism to be pretty stupid :p
 
Positing that the US (let alone any country in the past or that currently exists) is the "greatest nation" is misguided
 
By the way, the first vaccine was invented by a Brit. Like antiseptic surgery was pioneered by a Brit.
 
This is stupid.

The question is not is America the greatest nation on Earth. The answer to that is patently obvious.

The question is: "Is America the greatest nation of all time." now that would be an interesting discussion.
 
Peter Grimm said:
You don't have to be perfect to be the greatest. Just better than everybody else. And America is on top of the food chain, baby.
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America is not on top of the food chain in a positive way in any of the areas I mentioned.
 
Crovax said:
I wonder how much of that has to do with the liberals who rally against vaccinations and breast feeding
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Well first of all, I think those positions are so rare that I doubt they'd make a significant impact. Besides, I honestly don't know that I've seen many liberals rally against either, most especially the breastfeeding. Honestly, and I hate it when I see it, but I've seen the anti-vaccination arguments more from "don't trust anything the government tells you" conservative types.
 
Tucker Case said:
Our infant mortality rate is still appalling, though, given our wealth.

Our infant mortality rate is a national embarrassment - The Washington Post
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Our reported infant mortality rate is appalling compared to the reported rate of others because we actually report all of our infant mortalities, to include "premies", which are A) far for vulnerable and likely to die and B) therefore, according to many other nations "don't count". :roll:


...The main factors affecting early infant survival are birth weight and prematurity. The way that these factors are reported — and how such babies are treated statistically — tells a different story than what the numbers reveal.

Low birth weight infants are not counted against the “live birth” statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing less than 500 kg is not considered a living child.

But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies — considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive — is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics....
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