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Should we be holding Mexico responsible?

Should we be holding Mexico responsible?


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Uh yes. I think 99% of everyone here would answer it. But the thing is its a broad question, it does not go into the certain ways to improve the economy of the US.
Again: I do not have to suggest ways they could be held responsible to ascertain if folks think in general whether they should or should not be.
 
Ignoring the why or how of it, and just answering the question as posed by the OP:

No. The very thought of it is simply absurd.
 
It's quite ironic because when you look at it, a very large reason why Mexico is so messed up, so violent and so corrupt is partially and I really want to emphasize that, partially BECAUSE of the United States.

The fact of the matter is, is that US Citizens demand for illicit drugs fuels the violence and gave rise to all of these brutal drug barons, who have completely corrupted the Mexican Police Force, army and government and who's minions propagate increasingly brutal crime.

It's one thing for a country to just be poor, there are plenty of countries with Mexican poverty that DON'T HAVE the kind of violence Mexico does and it's almost entirely fueled by American demand for illicit drugs.

Many parts of Mexico are hell on Earth and you'd want to escape them too.

I'm not trying to say that illegal immigration is ok.

But when you look at it from that perspective, when you look at the fact that American demand for drugs fuels instability in Mexico and creates part of the reason why people would want to cross the border it's pretty ironic the OP would want to "Hold Mexico Accountable".

Cant forget NAFTA either and our trade policies :2razz:
 
So far a few of you have answered yes... those that did, offer up exactly how you would hold Mexico responsible?
 
No. The very thought of it is simply absurd.
If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break out laws, they are partially responsible.
And since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.
 
If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break out laws, they are partially responsible.
And since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.

And how would you propose we hold them responsible?
 
And how would you propose we hold them responsible?

How is not part of of the question.
Should they be, or at least attempted to be? Yes or no.
I already answered yes and you quoted me saying so. How is not part of it.
 
How is not part of of the question.
Should they be, or at least attempted to be? Yes or no.
I already answered yes and you quoted me saying so. How is not part of it.

So you do not think reality is relevant here? How can the question not be important?
 
So you do not think reality is relevant here? How can the question not be important?
I did not say it is not important.
But it is not relevant to the question in general (the Poll) to see where folks stand.
 
If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break out laws, they are partially responsible.
And since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.

Pretty simple thing to do from the "If I were King" side of law making. Impose a 35% tax on all remittances sent back to Mexico from the US.

It's one of the largest contributors to Mexico's economy.

If 35% is too high, base the amount collected from the estimated $25 billion sent annually on how many of the 20 million illegals living here are from Mexico, and how much they cost the economy in jobs taken from legal residents, and in services taken, but not paid for. Collect that.
 
Exactly how do you plan on doing that?

Fill us in.

I doubt that the U.S. Calvary will be riding into Mexico on a punitive expedition anytime soon.

We could use former Gen. Curtis LeMay's strategy, bomb Mexico back into the stone age.

Mexico has always been a complete basket case. Give them a second chance and let them start over from scratch.
 
If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break out laws, they are partially responsible.

They're partially responsible because they don't oppress their citizenry by criminalizing liberal democratic virtues like freedom of speech that the United States purports to be a symbol of to the whole world?

Like I said, absurd.

And since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.

So "the greatest country in the world" has to pawn off our responsibility for securing our own borders onto our third world neighbors?

Again, absurd.
 
NAFTA and the fact that Mexico is still our third largest supplier of oil pretty much tells the story.
 
It's quite ironic because when you look at it, a very large reason why Mexico is so messed up, so violent and so corrupt is partially and I really want to emphasize that, partially BECAUSE of the United States.

The fact of the matter is, is that US Citizens demand for illicit drugs fuels the violence and gave rise to all of these brutal drug barons, who have completely corrupted the Mexican Police Force, army and government and who's minions propagate increasingly brutal crime.

It's one thing for a country to just be poor, there are plenty of countries with Mexican poverty that DON'T HAVE the kind of violence Mexico does and it's almost entirely fueled by American demand for illicit drugs.

Many parts of Mexico are hell on Earth and you'd want to escape them too.

I'm not trying to say that illegal immigration is ok.

But when you look at it from that perspective, when you look at the fact that American demand for drugs fuels instability in Mexico and creates part of the reason why people would want to cross the border it's pretty ironic the OP would want to "Hold Mexico Accountable".


would I be correct in paraphrasing that the US can hardly hold Mexico responsible for corruption when it is America's own corruption in illegal drugs that fuels the Mexican corruption?
 
They're partially responsible because they don't oppress their citizenry by criminalizing liberal democratic virtues like freedom of speech that the United States purports to be a symbol of to the whole world?

Like I said, absurd.



So "the greatest country in the world" has to pawn off our responsibility for securing our own borders onto our third world neighbors?

Again, absurd.
Wow. Talk about being dishonest in argument, especially to what was presented.
 
would I be correct in paraphrasing that the US can hardly hold Mexico responsible for corruption when it is America's own corruption in illegal drugs that fuels the Mexican corruption?
This is not about any possible corruption in Mexico.
So how about you get back on topic?
 
Wow. Talk about being dishonest in argument, especially to what was presented.

Frankly, you haven't presented anything.
 
I did not say it is not important.
But it is not relevant to the question in general (the Poll) to see where folks stand.

Actually the question is very relevant. You are asking people to answer on a falsehood, the idea of holding another nation responsible but no room to discuss how we would go about it. That is amazingly asinine.
 
Actually the question is very relevant.
:doh
iLOL
:lamo
Your response is hilariously funny.
No it is not relevant to the question asked.
As you have already been told and can't seem to understand, the question asked is simply about whether a person believes they should be or not.
Not as to how if they do.
Learn the difference.

If I had asked "How", it would be relevant to the question. Yet I didn't.


You are asking people to answer on a falsehood,
It is amazingly asinine that you would be dishonest as such.
It is not a falsehood. Nor could it ever be.
You however make false arguments.


the idea of holding another nation responsible but no room to discuss how we would go about it. That is amazingly asinine.
What is asinine is you not understanding that whether a person believes such or not is not dependent on any suggestion as to how it may or may not be accomplished.
And no one is preventing you form discussing such options it just isn't relative to the in-general question.


The question is not about how. Only if a person thinks they should or should no be.
Your failure for not understanding that.
 
You are obviously blind. You even quoted it.

Oh, your single sentence, drive-by nonsense?

You didn't make an argument, you made a comment. My response was in direct relation to what you said. Which, for the third or fourth time now, was preposterous.

Look, make a good argument presenting your ideas and defending them and we can continue this. But I'm not going to waste any more time on nonsense.

Actually, I'm logging off for the weekend and we'll both have forgotten about this come Monday so don't even bother responding to me.

Have a nice weekend.
 
Just more dishonesty from you.
My response was in direct relation to what you said.
No they were not.
They were nothing but dishonest attempts to dismiss what was said, and as such, not relevant.


Which, for the third or fourth time now, was preposterous.
:doh D'oh! Wrong!
:lamo
If they allow active encouragement of their citizens to break our laws, they are partially responsible. There is nothing preposterous about that.
And further supported by their own immigration position. "since they are not doing anything to stem the tide, when the Country itself is against illegal immigration into it's own borders they are far more culpable, and should be held responsible.

Such "preposterous" exists solely in your own thoughts.


Look, make a good argument presenting your ideas and defending them and we can continue this.
This is you again not understanding that this is solely about the question. Not about ways to accomplish an affirmative answer to the question.


Actually, I'm logging off for the weekend and we'll both have forgotten about this come Monday so don't even bother responding to me.
Yes, please run from your not understanding this is about the question and not anything else. :doh
 
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:doh
iLOL
:lamo
Your response is hilariously funny.
No it is not relevant to the question asked.
As you have already been told and can't seem to understand, the question asked is simply about whether a person believes they should be or not.
Not as to how if they do.
Learn the difference.

If I had asked "How", it would be relevant to the question. Yet I didn't.

It is amazingly asinine that you would be dishonest as such.
It is not a falsehood. Nor could it ever be.
You however make false arguments.

What is asinine is you not understanding that whether a person believes such or not is not dependent on any suggestion as to how it may or may not be accomplished.
And no one is preventing you form discussing such options it just isn't relative to the in-general question.

The question is not about how. Only if a person thinks they should or should no be.
Your failure for not understanding that.

You see, this is what we face dealing with people that exist in an ideological dream world that suggests active suspension of critical thought.

What you seem to not realize (or are desperately trying to ignore... perhaps both) is that your thinking here is why we end up in the mentality of policing the actions of other nations in a manner we see fit no matter what we are doing in our own backyard. The severity of impact to this nation, direct or indirect or not at all, just the suggestion that we can hold some other nation responsible without explanation in how or why is itself grade school level thinking. You may not like that, but it is accurate.

Ultimately we cannot hold Mexico "responsible" except by force, and even then the impact is questionable in action and likely long term implication. You know it, and I know it.

The truth of the matter is *our* immigration problems are ours to solve. It boils down to dealing with policy in a way that makes economic and social sense then deciding to enforcing it. Until then, holding Mexico "responsible" is both absurd and a false argument. We do not bother to enforce our own laws we have on the books right now. So you pretending that you are engaging in meaningful discussion asking such an elementary question within the confines of ideological foolishness is useless.

Congrats, the above post and the language of it proves my point conclusively.
 
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