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In the time he has been president has Obama helped or hurt race relations.

In the time he has been president has Obama helped or hurt race relations.

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cpwill said:
:shrug: The Police Acted Stupidly. Two White House representatives at the funeral in Ferguson. If the ideologies were broadly reversed, I'd be hollerin about "dog whistles" and whatnot.
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So what if two white house representatives were at the funeral? How did Obama harm race relations with that?
 
Fearandloathing said:
"He could have been my son!"

The first and only president to break the solid tradition of heads of state never commenting on a verdict of one's peers was an egregious wrong that only fostered on-going bitterness toward the system/establishment and whites in general.

But then we know his "stupid voter" supporters will ignore that and keep insisting, like all his other failures, that it isn't so.
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There's also the small matter of appointing Holder as AG.
 
I can't relate to anybody who thinks that it is Obama's fault that people are still racist. The one example above all else that people use is when he said that Trayvon could have been his son -- because they physically looked alike. Well, in the true American spirit of taking Obama's lengthy comments and reducing them to one sound clip, I bet there isn't a single person on this forum who has any idea what Obama actually said about the Trayvon Martin case. Black communities around the country supported Obama and were a big part of him being elected. They feel that there is institutionalized racism in this country and Obama wouldn't be representing them if he didn't address that matter.

The media takes lengthy remarks and reduces them to a meaningless sound clip that they inject their own meaning into. The new meaning has to sell, it doesn't have to heal anybody and it doesn't have to keep anybody calm. The idea is to lie, to throw a little gasoline on the fire. At the end of the day, following a major story about race, Obama could: say something positive, say something negative, say something short, say something long, or not say anything at all. There would be hours and hours of coverage of what he did or didn't say and then a lot of people would get angry despite not having heard what he did or didn't say. Then they would go out in a large group and destroy property. And that, obviously, is all Obama's fault. He should or shouldn't have said something that I wouldn't hear but would hear about, albeit entirely dishonestly, on my television and on twitter and from some idiot I forgot how I know on facebook.

But remember, nothing is our fault. Or the media's. Either black people are all criminals or white people think they are black people's masters. I forgot which one it is that I thought I believed.
 
Navy Pride said:
Your thoughts please.
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I'm not sure if HE has helped or hurt race relations but I do think race relations have been hurt for reasons having nothing to do with him.

In the lead up to the 2008 election, extraordinary efforts were made by the conservative to portray Obama who by all appearance at the time seemed like a decent, intelligent guy out to be the enemy of America. This vilification campaign included tactics like:

- Creating a list of everybody he's ever known, finding the worse person(s) on that list and then proceed to condemn the actions and word of those people but cleverly spinning their condemnation as if they were practically the words and deeds of Obama.

- Somehow creating out of thin air that "Obama has a deep-seeded hatred for white people."

- Then after the election, after-school fights recorded on kids' cell phones and posted onto youtube turned into major news events by the conservative media and depicted as "Obama's America, where white kids get beat up by black kids" deliberately instigating white racial animosity toward blacks.

- A USDA employee sharing her testimony in church her father being lynched by racists when she was a young girl but how in time God showed her not all whites were evil. Through that horrific act of barbarism she shared that God healed her emotional pain and gave her a love for people of all races including whites. That moving testimony was cleverly edited to make it seem like an Obama Administration official hates white people and discriminates against southern white farmers. Instead of offering an apology, the conservative media figured out a way to blame the President and started bringing in the propagandist as "consultant" when then need someone to interview on other issues until his untimely death.

I could go on. All these and other politically motivated race dividing strategies by highly trusted voices from the political right that has IMHO led to actions by some, followed by the push-back reactions from the black community have in fact greatly hurt race relational in America. I do no however, attribute this to Obama hurting race relations.
 
I would be quick to vote "hurt." However, after I thunk on it some, I am not so sure.

Granted, every time we see his face on the TV screen, at least subliminal, there is the racial element.

Also, I duly note atrocious acts of civil disobedience and the rebounding disapproval of such behaviors.

Perhaps this boldness is inspired by the fact that the most powerful man in America is recognized as an "African-American." That empowers some and that threatens some.

Then we have our Sharpton's. What a media whore. I won't even get in to that.

I'm not sure if Obama shoulder's any responsibility of racial divide except for the fact he is the man in charge. And that could be just about any body who sits in the oval office.

Also, ironically enough, did anyone other than myself notice that there were many, many, many white folks standing beside the black folks in the NYC protests? Black and white people joining hands in a cause that mostly pertains only to blacks? There might be some kind of positive message somewhere in that. I dunno.
 
Smeagol said:
I'm not sure if HE has helped or hurt race relations but I do think race relations have been hurt for reasons having nothing to do with him.

In the lead up to the 2008 election, extraordinary efforts were made by the conservative to portray Obama who by all appearance at the time seemed like a decent, intelligent guy out to be the enemy of America. This vilification campaign included tactics like:

- Creating a list of everybody he's ever known, finding the worse person(s) on that list and then proceed to condemn the actions and word of those people but cleverly spinning their condemnation as if they were practically the words and deeds of Obama.

- Somehow creating out of thin air that "Obama has a deep-seeded hatred for white people."

- Then after the election, after-school fights recorded on kids' cell phones and posted onto youtube turned into major news events by the conservative media and depicted as "Obama's America, where white kids get beat up by black kids" deliberately instigating white racial animosity toward blacks.

- A USDA employee sharing her testimony in church her father being lynched by racists when she was a young girl but how in time God showed her not all whites were evil. Through that horrific act of barbarism she shared that God healed her emotional pain and gave her a love for people of all races including whites. That moving testimony was cleverly edited to make it seem like an Obama Administration official hates white people and discriminates against southern white farmers. Instead of offering an apology, the conservative media figured out a way to blame the President and started bringing in the propagandist as "consultant" when then need someone to interview on other issues until his untimely death.

I could go on. All these and other politically motivated race dividing strategies by highly trusted voices from the political right that has IMHO led to actions by some, followed by the push-back reactions from the black community have in fact greatly hurt race relational in America. I do no however, attribute this to Obama hurting race relations.
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The political dividing strategies are used by both sides. Divide and conquer in the search for votes pitting one group/block of voters against another and even trying to get one group to hate the other so more of the group that hates will come out and vote.

Here is what most Americans think about race relations since Obama has taken over:

Blacks, Whites Agree Obama Hasn

As you see, 48% or half of America thinks race relations are the same as before Obama took office. But 42% believe they are worse compared to only 8% who think they have improved.

Like you I think the worse off state is mainly due to the political strategies of divide and conquer used by both parties pitting one race or group against another.
 
Perotista said:
The political dividing strategies are used by both sides. Divide and conquer in the search for votes pitting one group/block of voters against another and even trying to get one group to hate the other so more of the group that hates will come out and vote.

Here is what most Americans think about race relations since Obama has taken over:

Blacks, Whites Agree Obama Hasn

As you see, 48% or half of America thinks race relations are the same as before Obama took office. But 42% believe they are worse compared to only 8% who think they have improved.

Like you I think the worse off state is mainly due to the political strategies of divide and conquer used by both parties pitting one race or group against another.
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Can't argue with numbers.

Is it possible that "dying racial embers," might have been fanned back to a flame during Obama's terms? I could hardly imagine that it wouldn't.

I couldn't imagine how hard it must be to walk the racial center line when every eye in the world is on you waiting for you to wobble one side or the other.
 
Captain America said:
Can't argue with numbers.

Is it possible that "dying racial embers," might have been fanned back to a flame during Obama's terms? I could hardly imagine that it wouldn't.

I couldn't imagine how hard it must be to walk the racial center line when every eye in the world is on you waiting for you to wobble one side or the other.
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No one said the job of president is easy. Yes, all eyes are upon the president no matter the issue. Then too no matter what he does he is not going to please all of the people. I do not know if he personally fanned the burning embers, perhaps Holder has. But the president is responsible for all of his cabinet appointments and in the end it also makes him responsible for Holder and the DOJ.

Personally, I do not think Obama has been a particular good or bad president. Situations and responses to the situations that arise will dictate that. The root of the race problems has been there long before the president arrived on the scene. Perhaps being a polarizing figure has fanned some of the embers, it is hard to tell. I am not sure what he could have done different, the dye seemed cast. Perhaps everyone when it came to race just had way too big of expectations, more expectations than any man could live up to.
 
Captain America said:
I would be quick to vote "hurt." However, after I thunk on it some, I am not so sure.

Granted, every time we see his face on the TV screen, at least subliminal, there is the racial element.

Also, I duly note atrocious acts of civil disobedience and the rebounding disapproval of such behaviors.

Perhaps this boldness is inspired by the fact that the most powerful man in America is recognized as an "African-American." That empowers some and that threatens some.

Then we have our Sharpton's. What a media whore. I won't even get in to that.

I'm not sure if Obama shoulder's any responsibility of racial divide except for the fact he is the man in charge. And that could be just about any body who sits in the oval office.

Also, ironically enough, did anyone other than myself notice that there were many, many, many white folks standing beside the black folks in the NYC protests? Black and white people joining hands in a cause that mostly pertains only to blacks? There might be some kind of positive message somewhere in that. I dunno.
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Which would be a pretty terrible reason for voting that he harmed racial relations. I would hope that everybody casting their vote did so understanding that the question asked if Obama personally hurt race relations...as in, something he did. The problem with the poll is that any sane people know that he didn't anything to especially help race relations, so they're not going to vote for that. Which only leaves the super super super hackish and paranoid people to mob the "hurt" option.
 
Worse, he has reinforced the belief that most black people are racist toward whites. He has taken a stance on issues unrelated to the presidency and each time he has shown favor to the csuse touted by the race baiting talking heads. Jeremiah wright, trayvon, brown, etc. the lack of action on his part with addressing the epidemic of fatherless black families.

He could have really made a difference but chose the same ol story
 
twixie1 said:
I think when he was elected..maybe the black people thought he may do something to help them..he hasn't..

It was the same aspirations we had with Margaret Thatcher..doing something for women..she didn't either..
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Good point. When Obama was elected, it seemed that Blacks had a bit more spring in their step, a sense of pride or accomplishment, soon to fade away.

What stood out for me, and I am still asking the question, where were the hispanic, asian, NA or white kids?

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Lovebug said:
Good point. When Obama was elected, it seemed that Blacks had a bit more spring in their step, a sense of pride or accomplishment, soon to fade away.

What stood out for me, and I am still asking the question, where were the hispanic, asian, NA or white kids?

120322_obama_signs_health_bill.jpg
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I dunno. In school maybe?
 
Sabanist said:
Worse, he has reinforced the belief that most black people are racist toward whites. He has taken a stance on issues unrelated to the presidency and each time he has shown favor to the csuse touted by the race baiting talking heads. Jeremiah wright, trayvon, brown, etc. the lack of action on his part with addressing the epidemic of fatherless black families.

He could have really made a difference but chose the same ol story
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I can't laugh at this post hard enough. Who knew there were so many white people that feel so sorry for themselves? Yeah, black people are so prejudiced towards whites.

Lovebug said:
Good point. When Obama was elected, it seemed that Blacks had a bit more spring in their step, a sense of pride or accomplishment, soon to fade away.


What stood out for me, and I am still asking the question, where were the hispanic, asian, NA or white kids?


120322_obama_signs_health_bill.jpg
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You're wondering why there isn't a white kid in that picture?
 
Perotista said:
The political dividing strategies are used by both sides. Divide and conquer in the search for votes pitting one group/block of voters against another and even trying to get one group to hate the other so more of the group that hates will come out and vote.

Here is what most Americans think about race relations since Obama has taken over:

Blacks, Whites Agree Obama Hasn

As you see, 48% or half of America thinks race relations are the same as before Obama took office. But 42% believe they are worse compared to only 8% who think they have improved.

Like you I think the worse off state is mainly due to the political strategies of divide and conquer used by both parties pitting one race or group against another.
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For me, I happen to hold one of the two sides to a much higher standard because I aligned myself with that side in the first place because I thought that stood for doing the right thing, etc. Its been very disappointing. The "both sides are just as guilty" excuse only makes me disgusted with the side I thought was better than that.
 
Smeagol said:
For me, I happen to hold one of the two sides to a much higher standard because I aligned myself with that side in the first place because I thought that stood for doing the right thing, etc. Its been very disappointing. The "both sides are just as guilty" excuse only makes me disgusted with the side I thought was better than that.
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I understand. As long as both parties utilize the strategy of divide and conquer to win elections, this nation never will become whole.
 
whysoserious said:
I can't laugh at this post hard enough. Who knew there were so many white people that feel so sorry for themselves? Yeah, black people are so prejudiced towards whites.



You're wondering why there isn't a white kid in that picture?
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Generally speaking black people are very racist, not just prejudiced. Laugh all you like, its spot on. Look around you. Just because they suck at actually gaining real power and influence doesnt mean they cant be racist
 
Sabanist said:
Generally speaking black people are very racist, not just prejudiced. Laugh all you like, its spot on. Look around you. Just because they suck at actually gaining real power and influence doesnt mean they cant be racist
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See the above quote, see his political lean...and see the near-total dearth of other conservatives to install a window in his navel to help him see where he's going.

Need I say more? Most conservatives are not racist...but they do tolerate a degree of racism among their own.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Oh that's a serious question (the op)...

Ya, the race baiter in chief and his media allies set racial harmony in the country back probably close to 40 years.
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And that's a serious answer? You realize that schools were still segregated 40 years ago? I mean seriously?
 
Navy Pride said:
Your thoughts please.
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I think he has helped reveal that there is a problem with race relations. He brought a lot of white disdain towards blacks to the surface.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
See the above quote, see his political lean...and see the near-total dearth of other conservatives to install a window in his navel to help him see where he's going.

Need I say more? Most conservatives are not racist...but they do tolerate a degree of racism among their own.
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Brilliant, i call a spade a spade and then "progressives" yell racist. Never heard that one before.
 
Amadeus said:
I think he has helped reveal that there is a problem with race relations. He brought a lot of white disdain towards blacks to the surface.
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Are you joking? Obama has not done that at all.
 
If anything obamas presidency has brought blacks disdain toward whites toward the surface. You have us congressmen and women saying the word cracker on the record. There are other examples but i highly doubt you will find a us politician openly using the word nigger
 
Perotista said:
I understand. As long as both parties utilize the strategy of divide and conquer to win elections, this nation never will become whole.
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One would think, no? One would also think that the thinking people would recognize and understand the divide and conquer strategy and loudly rebuke it. But, instead, it is welcomed with open arms. Each night. In living rooms across America. Divisive broadcasting is alive and well. And the people fall for it. Perhaps it is what the people want. To be divided and conquered.
 
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