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What substitutes for religions ?

What substitutes for religions ?

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Are we asking where personal values come from?
 
Medusa said:
l didnt directly say they were the same.poll isnt about whether they are the same or not
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No accusation here, just clarifying the point. I have no use for religion myself, but my faith is very important to me.
 
Medusa said:
that is a part of philosophyand spiritualism
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No, those are, like religion, trying to explain the unknown, the not understood (philosophy is the concepts and beliefs of a group, spiritualism is a belief system of non-material entities).......whereas knowledge is the gaining of understanding of the universe. Religion has primarily concerned itself with beliefs and explanations about the unknown. It is a creation of man.
 
twixie1 said:
Yes certainly..When you present yours that he does..
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I never said that he does.

If you recall, or if you'd care to go back and reacquaint yourself with my position in this discussion, I was arguing that having faith in science/medicine is, at times and in some cases, as much a true matter of faith as having faith in God.

I believe in God, and I think there have been times that I've seen him work in my life, but I've never said, and have never really even thought, that an act of God was incontrovertibly responsible for any particular outcome.

I guess the best way to frame my opinion on the matter is to say that I believe in God but I'm agnostic in respect to how much involvement he truly has in the daily affairs of life here on Earth.

You, on the other hand, have made it plain that God absolutely does not have anything to do with humans:

twixie1 said:
Well God won't help you..that's for sure..
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So, like I said, please present your evidence for that belief.

You're sure of your belief, and you're certain of it:

Yes certainly..When you present yours that he does..
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So fire away.

Seriously. I'm actually interested in what you have to say.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
No, those are, like religion, trying to explain the unknown, the not understood (philosophy is the concepts and beliefs of a group, spiritualism is a belief system of non-material entities).......whereas knowledge is the gaining of understanding of the universe
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philosophie is the basis of all of them which aims to reach the knowledge of the universe.and particularly spiritual philosophy tries to discover that knowledge you mentioned through esoteric questioning and some new age movements.
 
Medusa said:
philosophie is the basis of all of them which aims to reach the knowledge of the universe.
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It is a general term with many schools, many of which still deal with the unknown...such as:


and particularly spiritual philosophy tries to discover that knowledge you mentioned through esoteric questioning and some new age movements.
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Again, you are still primarily dealing with unknowns, the opposite of knowing.

Your basic question, what will replace unknowing (religion)........ is knowing, ie knowledge.

The Abrahamic religions are at base irrational, not reason/knowledge based.
 
CycloneWanderer said:
Are we asking where personal values come from?
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Why would that matter? Religion does not own, nor can they claim creation of the concepts behind, personal values.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Why would that matter? Religion does not own, nor can they claim creation of the concepts behind, personal values.
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I don't know anyone named Religion so I don't know what that person would own or claim to have created.
 
OrphanSlug said:
A very clever failure.
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Legally, you are required to use the word "witty" instead of clever whenever you are addressing my failures.

On topic, I was just curious on what the OP meant when she says "substitutes." I think it's an easy argument to make that religious beliefs have influenced the value systems of a signigicant population of people both today and throughout history and I wondered if that was the effect the OP wished to address regarding the substitution of religion with something else.
 
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