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Car vs Protesters - Who was right?

Should the driver be charged?

  • I tend to lean conservative and no the driver should not be charged

    Votes: 7 17.1%

  • I tend to lean conservative and yes the driver should be charged

    Votes: 5 12.2%

  • I tend to lean liberal and no the driver should not be charged

    Votes: 3 7.3%

  • I tend to lean liberal and yes the driver should be charged

    Votes: 26 63.4%
  • Total voters
    41
twixie1 said:
Even though they are in the middle of the road..they are not ''jaywalking'' they were protesting and the police should have cordoned the road off and offered an alternative route..Or if it had been me I would have just reversed and gone somewhere else..
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If they didn't have a permit, then they weren't protesting.
 
Amandi said:
The guy didnt even start running until the car started trying to force its way through the crowd and he STILL didnt jump in front of the car.
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Think about that for a second: you see a car you think is trying to run people over, and you're reaction is to run out in front of it....

#darwinaward
 
twixie1 said:
Oh right..you need a permit to protest?
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If you want to block traffic, yes, you need a permit: https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-demonstrations-and-protests

Do I need a permit before I engage in free speech activity?


Not usually. However, certain types of events require permits. For example:
  • A march or parade that does not stay on the sidewalk, and other events that require blocking traffic or street closure;
  • A large rally requiring the use of sound amplifying devices; or
  • A rally at certain designated parks or plazas.
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If organizers have not obtained a permit, where can a march take place?

If marchers stay on the sidewalks and obey traffic and pedestrian signals, their activity is constitutionally protected even without a permit. Marchers may be required to allow enough space on the sidewalk for normal pedestrian traffic and may not maliciously obstruct or detain passers-by.
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You need a permit so police know when and where to redirect traffic so some moron doesn't try to drive through the crowed and nearly run people over.

No permit means it wasn't a protest, it was a hazard.
 
The protesters were ***holes blocking the streets.

If their cause was so righteous and just (which it is not) they they should not have been blocking the road.

Did the protesters get a permit from the city before they did this?
 
Flamethrower said:
The protesters were ***holes blocking the streets.

If their cause was so righteous and just (which it is not) they they should not have been blocking the road.

Did the protesters get a permit from the city before they did this?
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What does that have to do with anything? You can't drive through a crowd of people for no reason - permit or no permit.
 
whysoserious said:
What does that have to do with anything? You can't drive through a crowd of people for no reason - permit or no permit.
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The crowd was there to disrupt the peace. They were aggressive and hostile. Their intent was to incite violence from the drivers they blocked. And it worked.

If you, or other pro-thug activists want to make a more useful statement to defend cop-killers like Michael Brown, there are better ways:

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Flamethrower said:
The crowd was there to disrupt the peace. They were aggressive and hostile. Their intent was to incite violence from the drivers they blocked. And it worked.

If you, or other pro-thug activists want to make a more useful statement to defend cop-killers like Michael Brown, there are better ways:

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You have some sort of evidence that this particular crowd that was run over was being hostile? I was not aware of that. (FYI - the video shows a wide open lane that drivers were easily navigating through).
 
I guess im ignorant to what really happened...I would never drive thru a group of people in the street.. I would go around if I could.. now if I got stuck there some kind of way I would proceed at 1 mile an hour and blow my horn asking can I please get through.. if someone starts beating on my car or I think my live may be in danger... someone might get ran over.....
 
I did not know Michael brown was a cop killer!!! did he kill a cop???? I missed that and I always look at the news lol now I respect cops I have not had any problems with them in 59 years and I am black...Michael brown was a stupid kid we know that... but the head shot....please give me a break a football coach will always tell you to keep your head up..no one runs with there skull facing straight down how the hell can you see... but let me tell you what is worse than a bad cop is a scared cop they are very dangerous... now whats more powerful than black and white put together is green they cannot convict cops because the city can be sued daaaaaa we have the city attorney paid by the city the cop, employee of the city..why would you cause the person/city paying your salary to get sued... how long do you think you would have a job lol I rest my case... now any protestors stealing or damaging people property... put them under the jail
 
that was a good one
 
whysoserious said:
You have some sort of evidence that this particular crowd that was run over was being hostile? I was not aware of that. (FYI - the video shows a wide open lane that drivers were easily navigating through).
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I saw them block the driver.

Again, were was their city permit?
 
whysoserious said:
You saw them block the driver? Where in the video? I just saw a group of people standing there.
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If they were standing in a group in the middle of the road----presto!---they were blocking the road.

:doh
 
Flamethrower said:
If they were standing in a group in the middle of the road----presto!---they were blocking the road.

:doh
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A person breaking the law does not give you authority to break a greater law. So, for instance, jay walking or loitering does not make vehicular assault (lucky it wasn't vehicular manslaughter) acceptable.
 
Flamethrower said:
I saw them block the driver.

Again, were was their city permit?
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You're not allowed to run people over because they might not have a permit. Nor can you run someone over because they're in your way.

How is this even a discussion?
 
Mithros said:
You're not allowed to run people over because they might not have a permit. Nor can you run someone over because they're in your way.

How is this even a discussion?
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I wasn't there in the passenger seat. I don't know the driver's mental state.

A common observer would easily guess the intention of a large group blocking a large street would not be good.

I worked for a highway dept for a couple of summers in college, and even working near the road I had the wisdom not to ignore traffic.

Take home pearl of wisdom: don't stand in the road and expect not to get hit.
 
Flamethrower said:
I wasn't there in the passenger seat. I don't know the driver's mental state.

A common observer would easily guess the intention of a large group blocking a large street would not be good.

I worked for a highway dept for a couple of summers in college, and even working near the road I had the wisdom not to ignore traffic.

Take home pearl of wisdom: don't stand in the road and expect not to get hit.
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I'm pretty sure that you're not allowed to run someone over if you're in a bad mental state either.

Pearls of wisdom aside, and discounting the obvious difference between fast moving traffic and stopped vehicles....: Here's all you need to know.
1). The driver approached the protesters, not the other way around. There was a clear path for the driver to back up and leave.
2). The protesters did not appear to make any attempt to enter the vehicle.

Hitting someone intentionally with a car is using deadly force. The only way that it is justified is if your life is being threatened and it's your only option. Obviously the driver could have just backed up and avoided the situation altogether. Also, it would be extremely difficult to argue that a reasonable person would think the driver was in lethal danger. Ergo guilty.

I don't care who was in the car, and who was outside. I don't care what the protest was about. That driver should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Arguing otherwise is kind of nonsensical.
 
Mithros said:
I'm pretty sure that you're not allowed to run someone over if you're in a bad mental state either.

Pearls of wisdom aside, and discounting the obvious difference between fast moving traffic and stopped vehicles....: Here's all you need to know.
1). The driver approached the protesters, not the other way around. There was a clear path for the driver to back up and leave.
2). The protesters did not appear to make any attempt to enter the vehicle.

Hitting someone intentionally with a car is using deadly force. The only way that it is justified is if your life is being threatened and it's your only option. Obviously the driver could have just backed up and avoided the situation altogether. Also, it would be extremely difficult to argue that a reasonable person would think the driver was in lethal danger. Ergo guilty.

I don't care who was in the car, and who was outside. I don't care what the protest was about. That driver should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Arguing otherwise is kind of nonsensical.
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Personally I'm half wondering if it was an accident...car drifts slowly into the crowd, then suddenly surges forward - might the driver have intended to brake and then reverse, but hit the accelerator instead?
 
Bodhisattva said:
Then show the law that says that driving slowly through a crowd is illegal then... Since I, and thousands of others, have done it many times I would like to know that I was breaking the law. Thank you.
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Sorry for being confusing. My response was to your statement that said:

Bodhisattva said:
I don't see an assault. I see a person who thought that they could drive slowly through, came up a little too fast and was set upon by a crowd.
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Not to the legality of it as covered in the rest of your statement. I have no idea of what the law states about slowly trying to push your way through a crowd while in a car.
 
Jerry said:
Think about that for a second: you see a car you think is trying to run people over, and you're reaction is to run out in front of it....

#darwinaward
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They didnt run in front of it but as a matter of fact some would to try to stop the car.
 
Amandi said:
They didnt run in front of it but as a matter of fact some would to try to stop the car.
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Many did run out in front of it and there's no evidence anyone did anything to stop the car. FYI braking the windshield doesn't stop the car.

The mob cared so little for the girl about to be ran over that not one person performed any action to actually halt the vehicle.
 
FYI, not one person on this board who leans conservative has voted that the driver should be charged.
 
whysoserious said:
FYI, not one person on this board who leans conservative has voted that the driver should be charged.
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You only gave people 1 choice. Those of us who think both the driver and the crowd should be charged are not represented in your poll.

You also left out people of other leans.

I suggest googling how to make a proper poll and try again.
 
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