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The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

Are the only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?

  • Im a right leaning American, yes.

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and if they manage to cheat the system, they should be fined out of existence. eventually, we will make enough examples that businesses like Tyson and others will be too afraid to take the risk.

You really have never dealt with any of this in real life have you? I'm sorry, your theories just don't meet with the real world reality. Our current system of immigration is fine. We already have most of the law we need to deal with the illegals situation. It's will never be a fix it and forget it thing. We will always have to be shown to be enforcing these laws.
 
We already have that first part you are hanging your arguments upon. It is already very unprofitable by law to hire illegals. What is lacking is enforcement.

No, our current immigration system is absolutely not a realistic one. I know a guy who has lived here for fifty years and fought in Vietnam and only was able to recently become a citizen.

Because he married an American.
 
Anyone who regulllary goes to the immigration forum and watches pro-illegals speak sees them spew that nonsense. Sometimes they just post a picture of indians holding guns with the caption "fighting illegal immigration since 1492". Which in reality that picture if anything helps the anti-illegal immigration side more due to the picture being a cautionary tale of what happens when you do not control your borders.

I personally love it when they protest with Mexican flags, they think it helps their argument because they have been raised being told this is Mexico. Thats what they teach south of the border.
 
sure it will. every job goes through everify, and fines for noncompliance should be crushing. like business ending fines, even if you subcontract so that you can pretend that you don't know. and we use those fines to fund enforcement.

now speaking realistically, this will never happen, because the industries which are the draw for illegal labor have too much lobbying power. but we're on an internet message board, which gives us the luxury of coming up with a real solution. in reality, if you don't like illegal immigration, the only thing you can really do is not buy the products of businesses that depend on it. good luck with that, though.

No it wont. Every "solution" you mention has been tried here in CA, and its failed.
 
Not they are not.




Oh good it is the fear mongering pro-illegal lie that if do not allow illegal immigration then the price of goods will skyrocket.

Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.

The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.

Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.

And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 ½ hours for an acre of wheat.

The labor-intensive nature of many crops is a key reason agriculture continues to rely on illegal workers. A report by Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center who has long studied immigration trends, estimates that 247,000 illegal immigrants were employed as "miscellaneous agricultural workers" last year — only 3.4 percent of the nation's 7.2 million illegal workers, according to Pew statistics, but 29 percent of all workers in that job category.

And dont forget the added costs to law enforcement (Crime), health care, education, transportation, etc.
A few years back illegals boycotted for a day state wide by staying home and the only noticeable difference was less traffic. :lamo
 
it entails not waiting ten years to become an American, but it does not entail open borders. i support a compromise system that makes it easier to become an American, but not a guarantee.

You are advocating people breaking the law if it takes longer than they think they should. Never think otherwise.
 
You really have never dealt with any of this in real life have you? I'm sorry, your theories just don't meet with the real world reality. Our current system of immigration is fine. We already have most of the law we need to deal with the illegals situation. It's will never be a fix it and forget it thing. We will always have to be shown to be enforcing these laws.

He probably lives in delaware or something and thinks he knows whats going on because of something he read in New Yorker. :doh
 
Native Americans these days do not overly object to immigration anymore than Aboriginals in Australia. Natives tend to feel less hate overall and would share everything if their rights were respected. Afterall the USA was almost totally managed land by natives before european arrival. In fact more forests grew after Europeans arrived, because the natives had been burning the land and creating plains so buffalo would graze down. The whole USA was like a game-park they had developed. They even invented corn by somehow cultivating a certain type of wheat that started off very small. I was sitting next to a big indian man with long hair at a library computer center recently and I saw him playing golf on the computer. He was a total cliche looking indian, but seemed absorbed by computer golf. Only later it occured to me that an Indian would be attracted to a golf course as it is managed land. It has sudden treelines than end in grass plains. Indians used to create these sudden treeline halts with fire intentionally.
 
Obama: The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans
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Do you agree with Obama- The only people with the right to object to immigration are Native Americans?
Did Obama poll those native Americans before he enacted his executive fiat? If not, its invalid by his own admission.
 
Did Obama poll those native Americans before he enacted his executive fiat? If not, its invalid by his own admission.

That is an outstanding point. I'd like to hear him asked that at a press conference. Picture the deer in the headlights look. :lamo
 
Except no one's against immigration, just illegal immigrants waltzing around the country.

Also, the Native Americans are also immigrants, they just came far earlier. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the world who didn't get to their homeland via "immigration." The only difference is time frames. I suppose tribes in underdeveloped Sub-Saharan Africa would possibly be the few.

Won't bother to vote in the poll, Obama knows damn well people aren't against legal immigration. And I'm obviously leaving out random fringe groups that are of no importance to American domestic policy.

I remember back in the 1980s when immigration was not as predominately Hispanic and was mostly legal. No one complained about the many Irish and English people coming in to the country. But many people did complaint about all the "nips, gooks and chinks stealing their jobs."

"...In the 1970s and 1980s, the waning fortunes of heavy industry in the United States prompted layoffs and hiring slowdowns just as counterpart businesses in Japan were making major inroads into U.S. markets. Nowhere was this more visible than in the automobile industry, where the lethargic Big Three automobile manufacturers (General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler) watched as their former customers bought Japanese imports from Toyota and Nissan, a consequence of the 1973 oil crisis. The anti-Japanese sentiment manifested itself in occasional public destruction of Japanese cars, and in the 1982 murder of Vincent Chin, a Chinese American beaten to death when he was mistaken to be Japanese...."
Wikipedia
 
We already have that first part you are hanging your arguments upon. It is already very unprofitable by law to hire illegals. What is lacking is enforcement.

we don't have national compliance with everify. companies like Tyson foods rely heavily on illegal labor; big ag as well. we need to fix this problem, and we need everify in place to do it. the penalties or noncompliance have to be nearly confiscatory, or they will keep doing what they are doing now.
 
You really have never dealt with any of this in real life have you? I'm sorry, your theories just don't meet with the real world reality. Our current system of immigration is fine. We already have most of the law we need to deal with the illegals situation. It's will never be a fix it and forget it thing. We will always have to be shown to be enforcing these laws.

real life? yeah. i live in a town where the population increases by a quarter during tomato harvesting season to supply labor for a ketchup company. meanwhile, one of my closest friends who paid full price for a college and graduate education just got deported in July. the system is completely ****ed. we need to fix it.
 
No it wont. Every "solution" you mention has been tried here in CA, and its failed.

it needs to be national. everify can do a lot to remove the incentive to hire undocumented labor. the jobs are a huge part of the draw.
 
You are advocating people breaking the law if it takes longer than they think they should. Never think otherwise.

it shouldn't take a decade or more to become a US citizen. my ancestors didn't have to do that, and neither should the people coming here now.
 
it needs to be national. everify can do a lot to remove the incentive to hire undocumented labor. the jobs are a huge part of the draw.

Already been tried in CA, already failed. There are a million ways around e verify. Whats your next idea-and by that I mean what feel-good solution did you read.
 
it shouldn't take a decade or more to become a US citizen. my ancestors didn't have to do that, and neither should the people coming here now.

Then look at the law and get it changed. Whats NOT acceptable is selectively enforcing the law and rewarding criminals.
 
I remember back in the 1980s when immigration was not as predominately Hispanic and was mostly legal. No one complained about the many Irish and English people coming in to the country. But many people did complaint about all the "nips, gooks and chinks stealing their jobs."

"...In the 1970s and 1980s, the waning fortunes of heavy industry in the United States prompted layoffs and hiring slowdowns just as counterpart businesses in Japan were making major inroads into U.S. markets. Nowhere was this more visible than in the automobile industry, where the lethargic Big Three automobile manufacturers (General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler) watched as their former customers bought Japanese imports from Toyota and Nissan, a consequence of the 1973 oil crisis. The anti-Japanese sentiment manifested itself in occasional public destruction of Japanese cars, and in the 1982 murder of Vincent Chin, a Chinese American beaten to death when he was mistaken to be Japanese...."
Wikipedia

You must not know how things went for the Irish and Italians when they first came here LEGALLY, what's going on now with our ILLEGAL immigrants is a cakewalk in comparison. :lamo
 
Already been tried in CA, already failed. There are a million ways around e verify. Whats your next idea-and by that I mean what feel-good solution did you read.

already explained. scroll back up the thread, and stop wasting my time.
 
Then look at the law and get it changed. Whats NOT acceptable is selectively enforcing the law and rewarding criminals.

i'm for an overhaul that addresses the failures in the system from both the enforcement and immigration policy sides, as i've already made abundantly clear.
 
i'm for an overhaul that addresses the failures in the system from both the enforcement and immigration policy sides, as i've already made abundantly clear.

The left hasn't touched the policy side (outside of executive order), and enforcement is curtailed because of politics-the politics of B. Hussein O.
 
You must not know how things went for the Irish and Italians when they first came here LEGALLY, what's going on now with our ILLEGAL immigrants is a cakewalk in comparison. :lamo

I am aware of that history and my grandparents were lucky enough to get here in time to avoid the Nazi deathcamps, although a stop for a few year in England first was involved in the process, probably due to discriminatory immigration laws restricting eastern Europeans. Although, immigrants faced a lot of discrimination and harassment a hundred years ago, they did not need tens of thousands of dollars for lawyers and fees and they didn't have to wait for years to legally immigrate.
 
Except no one's against immigration, just illegal immigrants waltzing around the country.

Also, the Native Americans are also immigrants, they just came far earlier. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the world who didn't get to their homeland via "immigration." The only difference is time frames. I suppose tribes in underdeveloped Sub-Saharan Africa would possibly be the few.

Won't bother to vote in the poll, Obama knows damn well people aren't against legal immigration. And I'm obviously leaving out random fringe groups that are of no importance to American domestic policy.

No. The term 'immigration' does not equal 'migration'. Immigration is coming into a country and obviously the term doesn't apply to the migration of neolithic tribes. I'm always surprised to find someone who doesn't understand this principle.
 
The left hasn't touched the policy side (outside of executive order), and enforcement is curtailed because of politics-the politics of B. Hussein O.

when a poster starts in with "Hussein" crap, i no longer care about his or her position on a topic. our conversation has concluded. have a good Thanksgiving weekend.
 
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